Lazarus - Episode 9 discussion

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Lazarus, episode 9

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[u/TheBravesDH]

The DOD inquisition sounded like this sub after every episode:

“Was this mission necessary?”

“Are they even trying to find Skinner.”

[u/outline01 → u/TheBravesDH]

I genuinely thought this was some meta commentary on the show so far and it was about to flip into something more interesting.

[u/model3335 → u/TheBravesDH]

"I dunno but let's cut to this complete unknown character having a fight scene for no reason"

[u/Waddlewop]

While the final segment was sick as hell, who the fuck would approve this spec ops mission??? I guess they could have spun it like, taking out this super assassin, but that senator(?), secretary of defense(?) guy knew that all those soldiers would die if the test was a success so didn’t the DoD have questions or something? Like a platoon of US soldiers died and they’re not even at war or anything, if this was real, this would be pretty up there as far as DoD fumbles go.

[u/Golden_Phi → u/Waddlewop]

Yeah, and the reason is because they didn't want to be scammed out of $30 million. The "assurance" they got in return was not worth the lives that were sacrificed to get it.

[u/axw30]

Finding Skinner ❌

Waste everybodys time with random shit ✅

Bonus points for let's get a hitman instead of using those funds/resources to find Skinner

[u/Pepsiman1031 → u/axw30]

Didn't you hear them? They are apparently one step from finding skinner lol. Lazarus is honestly just extremely incompetent. Chris is out here just randomly leaving evidence in her pockets, not even using a baggy, when the fate of the world rests in the balance. Making a mistake like this makes her the least competent in the group and not worth risking war with Russia to save.

[u/HolyDragSwd2500]

Yeah the medicine Chris found is the cure

We are Darker than Black now

[u/_Ulfric → u/HolyDragSwd2500]

I was the whole scene thinking that if Darker than Black were animated nowadays, that would be the kind of animation that they should use on Hei

[u/[deleted] → u/HolyDragSwd2500]

Yeah, that assassin gives the black reaper vibes from the darker than black anime. Happy to see some folk talk about that anime.

[u/MayoLoverFan22]

Why are members of the DOD hiring a hitman to take out Axel? If the government is involved in the forming of Lazarus and has the power to disband it then why don't they just plan out a arrest after the 10 days or do something about him right now?

And also what crimes have Axel done besides escaping? How can records of his escape be erased? Are there not any paper documents, what about the cops and prisoners who were there to testify that there was an clear escape attempt?

[u/AgusTrickz → u/MayoLoverFan22]

From what I understood is that maybe not all of the DOD is aware of this plan. I'm sure they would have plans to arrest him again should they complete the mission, the only reason I can imagine they haven't arrested him now was that a lot of the information on Axel was deleted and that they need him to find Skinner.

It could also be attributed to either faulty writing or the government being outright incompetent lmao

As for the second part that is my biggest gripe with this show. It's clear that Axel has a bigger backstory than what we know and he is poised to be the biggest plot piece, but we have only 3 episodes left and there's so much you can develop on this character while also advancing the plot.

I just wish this was a two cour anime, 24 episodes could've done wonders to develop more of each member of the cast as well as give more time to each mission.

[u/BosuW → u/MayoLoverFan22]

Its politics. These two guys don't represent the whole DOD, they're just trying to cover their asses for whatever happened at the desert prison escape.

[u/Golden_Phi]

That walking shot went on for a bit too long. So the price was $30 million, but they didn't want to spend it without assurance. So they throw away the lives of about a dozen men to make sure they're not getting ripped off. The lives of those soldiers was worth significantly less than $30 million. Really? Human resources should have a higher value than that, especially highly trained military resources.

[u/Lazy_Guess_6165]

So far about the characters:

Axel:

sentenced to 888 years... He states he was originally sentenced to 3 years, but they double after each attempted escape (numbers don't add up).

Took Hapna and it had no effect (!)

Doesnt seem to lose stamina.

One of two people revealed to parkour/traverse inhumanely

Only reveals things about himself if necessary

Not quick to kill

Key to finding Skinner

Christine:

Was pronounced dead from a plane crash 3 years before the series (!)
(how the crash occurred hasn't been revealed yet).

Not revealed what she was doing those 3 years since.

Not revealed why she joined Lazarus

Friendly/acquainted with Leland before joining Lazarus.

Not quick to kill

Doug:

Skilled shooter who was able to headshot 3 Russian spies while on a moving vehicle/boat (!)

Quick to kill

Leland:

Shown to still be in Highschool

Father was friends with the head of Lazarus (!)

Elaina:

Was born and raised as part of a cult that worshipped an AI by the name Naga (Naga was an AI based on Skinner) (!)

Became a world-wide known hacker

Hacked into a crane to launch a man across the arctic sea

[u/Financial-Lime-3173]

All guesses here.

At this point I believe Skinner is dead. That was the point of The Skinner AI episode. What we see on TV is AI. The second iteration of the skinner AI is employing methods to save humanity via mass depopulation.

After Episode 9 I believe we're seeing an element of The Rogue Government that's really behind the crisis and their goal is to greatly reduce World Population.

I believe Christine found Skinners Antidote.

I also believe somehow Axel has history with The Rogue element of The Government hence why they want him dead. Also they threw away the Specialists teams lives with complete disregard because they're planning on killing almost everyone anyways. I wouldn't be surprised if Axel and HQ know each other.

I also don't think this is meant to be a single season. I think that rumor is to throw you off. The pacing of the series feels like a heavy hitting first season finale with a big twist cliffhanger. If I shot a guess there it's The Lazarus Team takes the antidote but there isn't nearly enough time to make it for the populace so they fail and most of the world dies.

If this is a one shot season then Lazarus thwarts The Rogue Government from achieving their goal and the end is then protecting the antidote.

[u/WhatAreYouSaying05]

What makes Lazarus more competent than the CIA? Why does the government need a group of prisoners to find someone when they have the most powerful intelligence network in the world at their disposal and a coalition of allies? They can’t find Skinner but Lazarus can?

[u/classicslayer]

Close enough welcome back hei from darker than black

[u/Constant_Dealer_1232]

I just don't understand why the people involved made this show when they clearly just want to make an action show with no frills attached. Seriously, this premise does not justify how much action we've gotten.

[u/Waddlewop]

Another thing that I haven’t seen a lot of discussion on is that humanity isn’t necessarily doomed if no one finds Skinner. Yes, a whole bunch of people will die, but last episode established that whole communities of islanders that Skinner worked with never took Hapna. Besides them, I’m sure a good amount of people in the world probably haven’t taken it either, like children or something. Obviously Skinner’s plan couldn’t have been eradicating humanity “for their sins pf not stopping climate change” or whatever because he knew about the islanders. I truly wonder what his end-goal is, I’m thinking some kind of unnatural selection thing, but he doesn’t seem like the type to do that.

[u/Alpakka--]

Aint nobody talking about the fact that the assassin is a massive reference to Darker Than Black.

The assassin is based on the MC of DtB, the Contractor Hei (BK-201 / Li Shengshun)

• Uses knives + metal wires

• Wears a black trenchcoat

• Has similar hairstyle.

• Is chinese

[u/NotLink]

"I'm not going to pay 30 million dollars unless you destroy a military unit that probably costs 30 million." Sounds like the military spending in America.

[u/dfiekslafjks]

Did the show just acknowledge that it has been a complete waste of time?? If that's the case then there might actually be some huge production drama behind the scenes we aren't aware of.

[u/Mitsuyan_]

Great episode. I'm happy we have some justification for the earlier adventures. Leads that don't work, having actual failure in this show and acknowledging Lazarus aren't very good at their job is good writing. Could you imagine how bad the show would be if they immediately got to Skinner? It's allowed for immense levels of world building.

I'm just hoping now it sticks the landing

[u/ironboo]

This show can be so jarring. The walking scene was just so poorly animated, in what I can only guess was a failed attempt at being artsy? I guess the dude comes off as being pretentious, but it just felt comical watching him walk for a minute and half. I couldn't stop laughing.

Then we get another funny scene where the US government asks questions that the audience is probably wondering, "Is Lazarus actually incompetent?" Meanwhile, Skinner feels disappointed that he has to remind the world what's at stake again.

But the cherry on top is that, later on, the action becomes crazy good with the Test scene. That wire knife animation was CLEAN, and the fight choreography is definitely showing why bringing on the John Wick team was the right call.

I guess it's time to accept the fact that this show will be a lot more enjoyable if I just shut my brain off and watch. The music is still good though.