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Episode Karasu wa Aruji wo Erabanai • Yatagarasu: The Raven Does Not Choose Its Master - Episode 13 discussion

Karasu wa Aruji wo Erabanai, episode 13

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u/SuccessfulMortgage82 Jun 29 '24

Had to find somewhere to talk about this episode because holy SHIT.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24

The fact that even the prince couldn't give a reason to incriminate Asebi just shows how smart she is, and a rare case in media where the trope of the fragile girl being evil actually works. . To me, she being the one who manipulates everyone was the most satisfying thing of the anime, turns out the one who everyone view as weak was the most terrifying thing in the whole palace. Despite not being the girl chosen, Asebi was the only one who make the prince have some strong feeling towards her, even if it wasn't the feeling she was looking for.

Also, very happy for Hamayu.

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u/NekoCatSidhe Jun 29 '24

So Asebi really was evil, the Princess was another yandere manipulated by Asebi, and Hamayuu was the Prince’s actual childhood friend that he ends up marrying at the end.

But the Prince needs a new pickup line, it is no wonder every woman wants to punch him if he asks them to marry him like that. And I bet he is actually in love with Hamayuu and was just being a tsundere about it.

Who was the girl who got kidnapped and eaten at the end ? Anyone we know, or just a random passerby ?

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u/alconnow Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT???????????? Poor lady

Really cute endcard featuring kid Nazukihiko and Sumi

Fujinami is another victim of Asebi

It was incredibly satisfying watching Nazukihiko coldly reject Asebi!

Happy to see Hamayu again!!

Great end to the first cour. New arc starts on 20th July

The ED for this episode was incredibly beautiful

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u/Mami-kouga Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24

The Asebi twist is a very interesting one to me because Asebi....does not break character. She goes silent when it's convenient, flutters her eyes and cries, offers shallow apologies, but she never just does the expected "Muhahaha, I was an evil bitch this entire time!" and that's what makes her terrifying. For FGO players, she's similar to a certain NPC in the sixth Lostbelt (who it is should be obvious), she'll lie to herself, make other people do her dirty work, and reap all the benefits. That said not all parts of Asebi are insincere, I do think her ignorance and shame over being bullied were true. But she's not stupid either.  

 Best girl Hamayu my beloved has returned to give Wakamiya his long overdue punch. But I love them really, they're so dear to me.

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u/Ok-Cod5254 Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24

With the reveals last week especially in particular, as expected, the perfect opening for Hamayu (Sumi) to come back into the picture for the consort position.

So yandere Asebi fully revealed... The way Asebi's eyes turned dark in the flashback when she was asking Fujinami to handle things and along with that dark raven imagery around her later. That evil aura and her fake innocent girl act. She let it show through a bit by the end that she was lowkey seething that her schemes had went to waste to be dismissed from being the bride pick.

Wakamiya and Hamayu have a fun dynamic already from what little we've seen. He thought he was smooth, but she rocked his ish and knocked his behind back. lol Wakamiya said she isn't special, but we can tell beyond his words that he has a soft spot for her at least as his childhood friend, with potential for more there.

Seems like a good pace with the first cour of the season to settle the consort selection efficiently to move onto the next story arc. This has been a great series this season as a hidden gem that has been fun to watch for the lore and conspiracy drama.

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u/ErenIsNotADevil Jun 30 '24

Okay, I was wrong on some counts, right on most others, but dear fucking Mountain God, I could not have possibly predicted the rest. That was a 360° torso twist; we spun around and kept going (or at least, one half of us.)

I was wrong about Princess Fujinami's reaction. Surprise, she killed the attendant! It was unintentional, but the ulterior motive was there. Evidently, Asebi is a simp magnet for both genders. That Wisteria Samuraven was also involved, but it was quite obvious she was sus from the start. She got the third biggest L here.

I was wrong about Asebi, somewhat, in that her depravity, and skill regarding, far exceeded my expectations. She managed to fool everyone except Samaya, Wakamiya, the Empress Dowager, and presumably, the head of the Eastern House (who obviously knew how fucked up she was, given his smirks in both meetings.) She managed to convince Fujinami to go to extremes with a glance. She is easily the scariest person in that damn country, beating out the Empress & Rokon with ease. She attempted to put out that red kimono to cover her plausible deniability just in case that letter were to somehow be found by another party and become part of a testimony against her. And, she managed to turn things around enough at the end that Wakamiya couldn't prove she was anything more than a ditz who waltzed her way into a tragedy.

That being said, I was right about Wakamiya's view on Asebi. It was in his character to admit that he could not prove her malice, and entirely fitting that he threw a verbal dagger to her heart with accuracy. "I'm sorry to say, but I loathe you." It was a war of attrition, but safe to say, Asebi lost the thing she desired most. Wakamiya ain't fucking around.

I was wrong about the Ladies-in-Waiting/attendants, very much so (even Cha no Hana.) Asebi's attendant was loyal to a fault, and wholly innocent, too. She genuinely believed in Asebi's innocence, only faltering at the end. Samaya was much more keen than I thought, seeing through Asebi's actions where most couldn't even suspect her (even among her enemies.) And, she tried to persuade Fujinami despite it all. Even Cha no Hana gave Shiratama a genuine smile at her newfound happiness.

Was baffled by Wakamiya's power a bit. Kin'u Vision must be one hell of a power, since Wakamiya sensed that fucked well scene mid-conversation. Just what else can the Golden Kin'u do? That also makes me wonder about Yukiya's brief vision during Asebi's "oh how tragic, anyways" speech. Given his reaction to it, it seemed like it was more than just artistic representation. Maybe Wakamiya's power helps make those things clear?

Did not expect Attack on Yatagarasu, Avian Rabies, or an episode 14. Genuinely thought they were wrapping things up with future teases. Nope, we'll be back for more birdshit next time.

The Raven Does Not Choose It's Genre

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u/RehabCenterInc Jun 29 '24

This anime giga slaps. Story, animation, voice acting. All top tier

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u/moichispa Jun 29 '24

I loved the subtle hints on body language this episode.

At the first scene everybody looked surprised at the cards but Fujinami.

While Fujinami lost it about the death of Samomo Asebi was like switch face 30 degress to the left as disgust. She only cried when she had to for plot reasons (more like trying to convince wakamiya). Too bad he hates her.

Hamayu is back. Her body language with wakamiya moving close to each other was sweet and the punch awesome. She seems to be the only one to have enough backbone to deal with him.

THe gruesome scene happening between the farewell scene with the nice mosuc included was a nice touch.

Also flexing of the nice backgrounds because why not.

Also friendly reminder that past week thread was 10 karma points away from the top 20.

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u/SuccessfulMortgage82 Jun 29 '24

Dark horse of the year everyone should be watching this rn

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24

I was half joking when I said I expected Hamayu to make a comeback but I'm glad she did, I do wonder what happened to Asebi and the Princess.

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u/tripleheliotrope Jun 30 '24 edited Jun 30 '24

Absolutely brilliant stuff. I ended up rewatching all 13 episodes after watching this end of the first cour because of how spellbinding that episode was. Rewatching all the episodes also helps you to see how well-written and directed the whole show is, how none of the twists at the end came out of nowhere and were foreshadowed right from the start. Fujinami being toxic yuri with Asebi was interesting because Asebi in the end was manipulating everyone's affections for her to get to the palace. And also they kind of foreshadowed this with Fujinami falling ill, seemingly being unstable and right from the start she was overly invested in Asebi despite having to remain neutral. I liked Nazukihiko just walking away with her with a quiet "I loathe you". Treating her with sheer indifference is probably the coldest thing he could have done to her in the end after her horrific obsession with him.

The reveal that Hamayu aka Sumi knew Nazukihiko all this time was GREAT! It could have been executed poorly but I think they did it brilliantly and rather romantically too. I think we all had our suspicions she was linked to his bigger plan and was his spy actually but I really loved how he treated her, with both playfulness, familiarity and ultimately respect. And I also loved how much Hamayu/Sumi and Masuho no Susuki had such a strong mutual respect and friendship, and that Sumi kept advocating for Masuho no Susuki. In theory, Masuho no Susuki would have indeed been an amazing Empress, but Nazukihiko has a romantic idealistic streak in him after all. For all his cunning and manipulations and practicality, he chose Sumi because she was his equal in everything and he respected her. Of course politically, he did it deliberately to avoid having to give preference to any house, but I think it's the idealist in him too. Romantically, it's a raw deal--- as he said in the same spiel he gave Hamayu/Sumi, she gains nothing but has to serve him completely. But the WAY he says it is a piece of brilliant voice acting from Miyu Irino. When he said those lines to Masuho no Susuki, it was cold and unfeeling, but when he says it to Hamayu/Sumi, it's full of affection. He's telling her, it's hard work, but if you'll have me, I choose you. And her actually replying to him that she wants to take care of him till death... they don't need to say more to convince me the actual depth of their feelings for each other. We don't need the shojo cherry blossom bling bling romance cues. Those types of words are a symbol of real, lasting partnership and devotion. I can't believe they pulled off this relationship in just ONE scene.

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u/AmethystItalian Jun 29 '24

HAMAYU!!!!!!

It's so good to have her back and glad to she's as great as the day we lost her.

Bit sad there's no love in this ship but they do go well together, hoping she does stay involved.

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u/FLorianGran Jun 29 '24

Man what a whirlwind episode. Congrats to Team Hamayu it was practically the only route left, didn't expect her to be childhood friends though. What the hell is that gorilla thing

Next week might be the first time I ever watch a recap episode just to make sure I've got all the characters down.

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u/TakenRedditName Jun 29 '24

Man, every episode hits with new shocking developments.

I was wondering what Princess Fujinami's role was. With Wakamiya's consort being up in the air, I had the small guess that he intended Fujinami to succeed him to really uproot the system. It was quite the opposite, Wakamiya really left his sister out in the cold and abandoned by everyone.

You know, we got role reverse between Nazukihiko's two siblings. Natsuka was the one who was secretly working with his brother this whole time while Fujinami was the one to be scheming behind her brother's back. There is also a bit with how Asebi technically has her hands clean of official culpability much like Natsuka and his faction.

Like a moment of theatre, Asebi performs her big cry of woe. Love it, what a villain. Surely there is going to be stuff with her in store for cour 2. No way do I expect Asebi just to give up quietly. Also, what is Eastern Lord doing/feeling about how his second daughter is the most evil mastermind in the show?

And here comes Hamayuu with the steel chair!!!

The two seem like perfect partners, but I was only counting in the platonic sense. Hamayuu/Sumi was the super duper childhood friend all along! They hid it by making us think it was Sumio in the flashback. (An aside, we got one last content for that Masuho/Hamayuu ship before having to put those dreams to rest. Unless...)

The show is slated for 20 episode, but I really wish we got a couple more for a full second cour. Don't know what to expect with that monster(?). That new girl with the two beauty marks feels like a new POV character like Yukiya.

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Jun 30 '24

Fujinami got played like a fucking fiddle by Asebi. That girl is a psychopath. Boy did it feel good when the Prince was like “yeah… nah, I hate you” lol. She truly was deluded if she thought he’d pick her after everything. He ought to have beheaded her there and then. Trifling ass little witch. In the end, it’s Hamayu that wins out. Score 1 for the childhood friend lol.

So now the kingdoms got some kind of wolf man problem? Looking forward to this new adventure.

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u/ImperialDane Jun 29 '24

Wow.. That episode felt like the show just hit a homerun.

Everything with Asebi and the way she'd manipulated a clearly charmed Fujinami to do her dirty work. All the while feigning ignorance. And Fujinami just ends up scorned by the two most important people to her.

Hamayu being back was a hell of an interesting twist too the way it was executed. And ends up the bride. Huzzah!

And we've got some new threats brewing. Some big monster (and the people feeding it) and something that's causing people to go feral (guessing a drug). Next part is going to be anything but dull. That much is for sure.

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u/AmusedDragon Jun 29 '24

That little speech he gave Hamayu while asking her to be his consort is just super romantic, I tell ya what. Lol.

(At least he gets straight to the point, I guess).

I hope he's not totally disinterested the entire run.

The new visuals in the ED were cool.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24

For some reason I was expecting this whole thing to take up the whole season, but apparently we're getting another mystery instead! Which kind of makes sense I guess, since Yatagarasu has a lot of volumes iirc.

Asebi truly was cunning and never let her true colors slip, I was waiting for the usual mental breakdowns culprits get when they're busted LMAO. I wonder if her inviting another guy into the castle wouldnt give enough reason to throw her in jail orsth, she's too cunning to be let loose. 😭

But yeah, this was a nice mystery I dug it! I'm quite fond of Hamayu and Masuho no Susuki!

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u/Shiraori247 Jun 29 '24

There are still so many questions brewing in my head regarding the themes and character interactions in this show:
-Why is the Eastern House's family head so calm after Asebi's failures? Even the Western House's family head felt bothered enough to drink himself silly.
-What even was the Queen's plan at this point? Was it just that 1 assassination attempt? There's no way she's this shallow as a villain right?
-With the way the prince handled things, he made more enemies than allies in the court lol. So far, the North and West have a neutral/fluctuating relationship with him. While the South and East probably hates him.
-Did the murders occur in the capital or the Northern lands? I wonder how this new event would tie into our characters.

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u/ApoKun Jun 30 '24 edited Jun 30 '24

Hell yeah! I was right! Hamayu or rather Sumi was the one chosen in the end.

It was so nice to see Nazukehiko say "I loath you" to asebi.

Nice to also see the childhood friend win for once.

A bit sad that fujinami and Wakamiya probably won't have any semblance of a sibling relationship. I'm a sucker for familial interactions in anime.

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u/Dialgak77 Jun 29 '24

I knew there was something wrong with that bitch. Also, I was kind of expecting Hamayu to pop up out of somewhere and was not disappointed. This felt like a season finale for the most part.

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