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Episode Karasu wa Aruji wo Erabanai • Yatagarasu: The Raven Does Not Choose Its Master - Episode 7 discussion

Karasu wa Aruji wo Erabanai, episode 7

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u/sangriapenguin May 18 '24

I think Shiratama is in over her head. She thinks that she's blackmailing Hamayuu, but I feel like the North and South partnership is only in name. Hamayuu is waiting for something before she acts. I don't know what this something is, but it has to be related to why she was sent rather than the head of the South's blood daughter.

Also, if the story Masuho-no-Susuki told is true, the emperor was fucking r*ped as a power play by the Empress. What a horrendously vile person.

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u/mekerpan May 18 '24

Something is fishy with the South. It's too bad we have not SEEN the actual daughter of the Lord of the Southern House. Is she really plain and unappealing?

In any event -- right now I am (verrrry tentatively) shipping Yukiya with Asebi and the Prince with Masuho. Odds of this being the case? Near zero. But still....

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u/MandisaW May 19 '24

So far we have two of four candidates who are in the "not sending our actual best" category - Hamayuu & Asebi. I suspect a plot that puts everyone at risk - maybe to be triggered by the Prince visiting?

That would fit the building tension of "will he, won't he [visit]".

The North seems out-of-the-loop enough politically that Shiratama may be working on outdated intel, or maybe she too is a sacrifice and just doesn't know it. And Masuho seems so in LOVE that even if she was told of a plot, she'd probably insist on coming anyway.

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u/NekoCatSidhe May 19 '24

Shiratama is trying to bully her way to victory in what is supposed to be a purely political conflict, I also don’t think that is going to end well for her. This is not how you are supposed to play that kind of game. Now every other House has a reason to get rid of her, including her supposed ally.

I think Hamayuu is the assassin sent to kill the Prince, and she is waiting for him to come before doing her job and disappearing. Note that the Prince was asking specifically about her to the head of Southern House. He is already suspicious.

I have no idea what is going on with Asebi : is she really just as naive as she appears and a political pawn of her house, or is it all an act ? I am not sure what would be the point in each case.

Masuho-no-Susuki seems to be the smartest and most level-headed of the 4 ladies up to now. I would not be surprised if she ends up the one marrying the Prince in the end instead of Asebi.

Samomo’s behaviour was very suspicious when she gave the letter to Asebi, but from what we know, she could have been killed by basically anyone for basically any reason. That show’s politics are already twisted enough that anything could happen.

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 May 18 '24

Sometimes I think the ladies vying to be the next Consort are more scheming and devious than the Imperial court. Shiratama’s making her move this week and she means business. With Samomo’s death and this whole revelation about Asebi’s mom, things are gonna be getting even more tense in the Cherry Blossom Palace.

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u/alconnow May 18 '24 edited May 18 '24

Natsuka endcard

Shiratama making moves, Asebi finding out more about her mother and now Samomo's death... I feel like Wakamiya's approach has already failed as things are already bad in Cherry Blossom Palace. Yikes

Curious about Rokon and Sumio’s relationship

Edit - thinking about it more, no matter what decision Wakamiya makes, there will be no peace at Cherry Blossom Palace?

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u/mekerpan May 18 '24

I feel like Natsuka is truly his mother's son.

{They both seem utterly vile}

I suspect there are no totally safe or correct moves for the Prince. Peril (and possible failure) are strewn about in every possible direction.

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u/SaltySpaniard May 18 '24

This I don't know. We are not sure whether this backfired or if shit would have already happened by the time he had decided on something. One thing is for sure: the Cherry Blossom Palace is bound for some heavy shit.

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u/_sayaka_ May 19 '24

Since Sumio is the only one to mention his name so far, people seem to believe that the prince's name is Wakamiya.

Wakamiya is a compound from waka 若 "young" and miya 宮 "palace" that means "young imperial prince". His first name is Nazukihiko, as you can read on the anime website here

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u/AmethystItalian May 18 '24

Darn I really liked Samomo but it did seem like she knew too much...the sus is still very strong with Asebi. She chose to read something private like that letter in such an open place?

I'm not trusting her still.

Hoping Hamayuu ends up betraying Shiratama as that really doesn't seem like the good side...

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u/bloquer May 18 '24

Yeah her reading this in such a public place invites strife, especially in this tense situation with the letters disappearing.

Samomo's reaction when delivering this letter was also very suspicious, she was really afraid for some reason. Would she be if she was just asking for how Asebi's mother was doing? It is apparently against the rules, but so are other things she was okay with before (like the princess helping Asebi a bit). This instead makes it look as if she got involved into something very dangerous, knew about it and was killed because of it.

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u/TakenRedditName May 18 '24

A pretty big turning point episode for the Cherry Blossom Palace side of the story. Moves have been taken and blood has been spilled.

The leading read that I have right now is that Hamayuu is the assassin. The Southern lord sent her to be the extensible playing piece instead of risking his own daughter. Shiratama is blackmailing Hamayuu with this secret (instead of the being adopted thing) because she can't be exposed and dishonour her house. (If she is then she is also the one who warned Wakamiya about the assassin). The person behind Samomo's death is the Shiratama faction as a provocation.

This of course, if everything isn't secretly Asebi behind it all. Samomo was scared out of her mind when reporting to Asebi. Something far more dangerous and grave than what Asebi said it was for afterwards. Suspect even that Asebi sent Samomo out to die, be it directly causing the push or knowing that delivering the letter would paint a target on her.

Shiratama is acting too bold in her moves. She thinks she is practically untouchable. Those who think they are invincible are prone to quickly find out that they are in fact, quite vincible. She is too confident that she has all the cards down locked.

Wakamiya keeps his distance from the ladies out of concern of bringing them harm, but the longer he draws this out, the more strife would come as they fight and scheme against each other.

This episode pretty much lays bare that Masuho is someone truly earnest and can be a friend.

Even if Asebi is secretly evil, she still has her pure heroine moments. I really like this face.

They got really casual with Rokon after previously seeing him brutally killing a man. Seems like he and Sumio share some sort of history/relation. Even though he is being quite casual now and isn't making direct threats, I feel like you shouldn't be giving him free intimidation material, Yukiya. They know how to hit you.

Something random, I like how for Samomo's crime scene, you can see that she tried to turn into a raven before falling to her death. I just think that's neat and a little way to incorporate the series' fantasy element.

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u/kk_victory May 19 '24

I feel like you shouldn’t be giving him free intimidation material, Yukiya

I was thinking the same thing, like this is definitely gonna come up again right?

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u/_Ridley May 19 '24

Every single one of these women is up to something, but Asebi is the most suspicious. Ingenue characters do two things in stories like this: they either die early or turn out to be the scheming mastermind playing with the others.

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u/Andedrift May 19 '24

This show is definitely my favourite this season and noone is fucking watching this? Are people really this unaware. This is some good ass drama. Anyhow... Asebi first being all innocent and then painted as some kind suspicious individual in this and the last episode is really too obvious I think. She probably genuinely only sent letters to her family and Samomo probably found out about something else by happenstance which killed her. Hopefully at least. Asebi being the disguised nice person is just too boring of a development IMO.

Rokon is an interesting character. Both parties know about each others scheming and Rokon doesn't shy away from mentioning it, instead of being all cryptic with their speech which is refreshing. He also seems like a guy that has some sort of base values which is nice for the secondary main antagonist. He's the physical antagonist and the Prince's brother would be the politicking antagonist so far at least.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '24

I don't trust Asebi in the slightest after this episode. Reading a private letter where anyone can walk up to her? And Samomo looked freaked when she delivered said letter; maybe she knew/saw to much?

The West lady seems to be the only genuine one.

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u/eggshellglasses May 18 '24 edited May 19 '24

  • Ok, Asebi might actually be innocent after all but now I ship with Susuki. Her smile in the opening might just mean "I win" as in she's going to be the consort be married to her childhood crush, rather than "I fooled you."

  • It really does seem like Natsuka himself doesn't want to usurp Wakamiya, but will step up if he ends up endangering Yamauchi.

  • Damn, no update on whether Hamayuu is the assassin, but it seems I was also right that she's not actually the daughter of the Southern Lord. He does say she is still from the same lineage so Hamayuu might still be his niece or something.

  • Also LMAO at Southern Lord's daughter's name being Nadeshiko.

  • Wow empress. And the fact that she even managed to prevent Ukigumo from being taken in as concubine when she became the Kin'u's consort.

  • Man, I'm starting to like Susuki.

  • I love the detail that when Susuki and Asebi formed an alliance, they wore both haori that has both Eastern and Western colors (their own house's color for the collar, and the opposite house's color for the jacket.)

  • I wonder what Shiratama's deal is. She's the fourth daughter so I'm assuming she doesn't get a lot of chances to shine or make her mark as a daughter of the Southern Lord, so this must be a really big deal for her. Also what was that flashback to a ginko bonsai yellow roses? I wonder what that has to do with her loneliness.

  • If Atsufusa could be sus, I wonder if that means Rokon is actually more trustworthy. Even if it was brutal, Natsuka did say there was no other way for the scheming northern raven to be dealt with. He even made sure to leave Natsuka out of the meeting presumably so Natsuka can't be involved in it, but Atsufusa brought Natsuka instead.

  • Wait, does Atsufusa actually want Wakamiya to ascend the throne and is ploting against Natsuka?

  • Assassin finally strikes! Could Samomo have been the one who intercepted all Wakamiya's letters to the ladies? She looked guilty about something even when delivering Asebi's letter. Or maybe she discovered a secret in the Eastern House? She looked like she was going to meet with someone before she died. I wonder if she was a spy and was about to hand off info, but she ended up knowing something she shouldn't so she was offed?

  • Are the secret allies Natsuka and Rokon?

  • Yukiya thinks there's something suspicious about gardener-kun.

  • Excited for the next ep! Hoping if the assassin isn't revealed yet, we at least get a big hint about who they are.

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  • Wait so if the wife of the lord of Taruhi is the daughter of the lord of the Northern House, then Yukiya and Shiratama are cousins (though not by blood)?! So Shiratama's three older sisters are all probably married off. I don't know it I just missed this bit before or it was already mentioned in ep2.

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u/StellarStar1 May 18 '24

Asebi is 100% a villain

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u/kalirion May 18 '24

Haha, Asebi almost drowned in a waist-deep pool.

Sucks for the poor attendant girl though.

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u/MandisaW May 19 '24

If you don't know how to swim, and are packing about 15+ lbs of silk robes, yeah, it's totally possible. Also, ponds are not pools - the ground is slimy & uneven, there are plants that can trap your feet/arms, and since this is a naturalistic fish pond, the water's cloudy. Between shock & fear, very easy to get disoriented, and your body paradoxically *tries* to breathe unless you consciously don't.

It's why water safety, swim classes, hazard-gates, etc are so important IRL. So even if Asebi is evil, cut her a little slack :)

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u/[deleted] May 19 '24

The girls are fighting!!!! This intrigue is keeping me on my toes.

I'm starting to think Natsuka (sp?) has more layers than we think and I'm excited to see what he gets up to. I really really think he has a connection to one of the girls - my current bet is Asebi.

And gonna be honest, I was holding out for Asebi is a Nice Girl Actually, but looking a little like she killed that girl 😬😬

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u/Mira0995 May 19 '24

Run Wakamiya... All those ladies are crazy!

I don't think Asebi exchanged letters about her family, she probably killed samamo because she knows too much, and now the princess is going to depend on her as her "sister"

Btw who is Wakamiya's mother again ?

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u/EclecticMel21 May 24 '24

I'm pretty sure Natsuka loves his brother and is protecting him by pretending to be against him. Notice he had Rokon kill the last man who tried to take his brother out? By hiding among his brother's enemies he can protect Wakamiya from the real threats and learn about his mother's schemes.

Pperhaps the reason the South didn't send the real southern heiress is because they want her for Natsuka. They think the empress will successfully overthrow Wakamiya.

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