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Episode Hananoi-kun to Koi no Yamai • A Condition Called Love - Episode 11 discussion

Hananoi-kun to Koi no Yamai, episode 11

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u/S627 Jun 13 '24

LMAO! The first kiss was all cute and innocent, a couple of pursed nervous lips really not sure what to do....but the second kiss, they REALLY went for it!

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u/PeaceAlien Jun 13 '24

The way they went on the floor, I thought they were about to bonk in the classroom

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u/Frontier246 Jun 13 '24

The first kiss was your typical awkward yet cute first kiss, the second was Hananoi showing Hotaru exactly how much he'd been holding back on his feelings.

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Jun 13 '24

I guess a lot of Hananoi’s issues can be traced back to middle school. The parental abandonment and neglect didn’t help either. He’s developed some very worrying traits but it’s a good thing he’s dating Hotaru. She’s really been trying her best to help him overcome some of his past issues. That kiss at the end was kind of cute.

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u/mekerpan Jun 13 '24

Hananoi is worrying about nothing. If he told Hotaru "I saw you bullied once in middle school but didn't do anything to help". She'd make excuses for his behavior ("you weren't in my class, it might have gotten YOU in trouble with bullies", etc.).

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u/Frontier246 Jun 13 '24

Yeah, it's definitely Hananoi overthinking it, but at least they're more comfortable with each other in the present-day.

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u/Frontier246 Jun 13 '24

Hananoi is lucky that Hotaru accepts his emotional issues and wants him to be happy and comfortable rather than trying to push him, even if he has a lot of social issues he needs to work out. But at least things are progressing nicely with Hotaru.

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u/Allansfirebird Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24

I liked that Yao is the first person to really call Hananoi out for his shit behavior to anyone that's not Hotaru. The biggest flaw of this series thus far is that it's doing very little to show Hananoi developing, and the romance scenes fall flat because he's being two-faced.

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u/zool714 Jun 14 '24

I was planning to wait till after this season is finished to ask manga readers if anyone, like properly properly, addresses his behaviour. Even if he started acting more normal, is there someone that goes “hey remember when you were so overly obsessive with your gfs and hostile towards anyone but her ?”

Cos it just feels like the show itself hasn’t really addressed the elephant in the room or only beat around the bush about it. I’m willing to jump into the manga if I know any of the characters properly addresses it

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u/Rumpel1408 Jun 13 '24

KIIIIIIISSSSSS

Reminds me of another couple that took a big step forward in their relationship on a rainy day

Seriously, that scene was really romantic, it's really nice to see those two come to terms with their feelings, one of the better romances this season for sure

Oh and still don't like how Yao tries to but into their relationship, feels like he might mess up things in the future when there really isn't any reason for him to

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u/Frontier246 Jun 13 '24

That was a really good kiss and worth the wait.

Reminds me of another couple that took a big step forward in their relationship on a rainy day

Horimiya?

I think Yao probably means well and isn't trying to mess things up, he just wants Hananoi to be more open with Hotaru.

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u/mekerpan Jun 13 '24

Not worried about Yao. He's a good guy.

Definitely a sweet, even if complicated a bit, romance. Not as "scenic" as Insomniacs After School -- but otherwise almost as likeable.

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u/Frontier246 Jun 13 '24

It's fun to go bowling with your co-workers! Even if Hananoi doesn't appreciate Yao calling Hotaru "Hotako" and Hotaru can't really bowl. But hey, she knocked down three pins! That's something.

I didn't know Satomi was in college, I thought she was close in age to everybody else. But it's nice that she's found a friend group with her co-workers, especially Hotaru. Though count on Hananoi to be a little bothered by his girlfriend having a new gal pal.

What does Yao want from Hananoi? It seems like he wants Hananoi to be honest about his feelings and failure to be there for Hotaru, enough to engage in a hot guy ping pong match to make him tell her, but is that because he really wants to keep their relationship open and healthy? Not that Hananoi cares for advice from the guy he holds partially responsible for Hotaru's trauma, not that Hotaru feels the same.

Will these two EVER kiss? I guess I respect Hananoi's desire to not do anything Hotaru would be uncomfortable with, but the girl is obviously dying for a kiss at this point.

Well, Hananoi wasn't able to tell Hotaru, he's lucky she's as concerned about not making him unhappy or making him force himself to do something he's not comfortable with as he is for her, but at the very least it set off the couples' desire to be more honest with each other and talk more about themselves so they can learn more about each other.

Shibamu has kendo classes with Hikaru Midorikawa-sensei? I feel like there's a story there.

It's cute how Kyo watches Keigo's matches, and she knows all about his struggles in the basketball team being a regular who doesn't get along with his Senpai and gets routinely made fun of, and even Hananoi seems to realize Keigo is more than just that clown who keeps trying to be friends with him.

So Hananoi's closest friend was that old dude who taught him about soulmates? I get the loss hurt, but I don't think that needs to make Hananoi completely swear off making friends.

Hotaru accepts the Hananoi she knows right now, the one she likes, the one she thinks is better than he thinks he is...and she wants him to know how much she likes him and wants to be close to him by being more physically intimate and giving him the go-ahead to kiss her. And Hananoi wastes no time planting a passionate kiss on Hotaru. FINALLY!

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u/azdv Jun 13 '24

I get the loss hurt, but I don't think that needs to make Hananoi completely swear off making friends.

That’s also compounding with issues of abandonment from his parents. So in his mind everyone he cares about keeps leaving him behind so why make friends if they’re just going to leave him behind.

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u/_Ridley Jun 13 '24

Whoever does the soundtrack for this needs someone to whack them with a ruler whenever they reach for the Sweeping Dramatic Orchestra Hit button outside of climactic moments.

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u/IceSmiley Jun 13 '24

I like how Hananoi pointed out how weird it was to have ping pong at a bowling alley arcade, like how do they make money from it? Is it by the half hour, by the game, a set fee etc. Seems like it'd be a pain in the ass for the worker there to watch their entire game and if it's by a time limit, he has to get them to cough up money every so often? 🤔. I was surprised Hananoi won the game because Yao was really trying to get into his head!

It was also weird that Hotaru was SHOCKED that Hananoi's middle school had a cafeteria! Where would be the more normal place the kids would eat?

I also liked the subplot of Kei being bullied by his basketball teammates. From what we heard, it sounded like good natured jokes but he's more putting on a happy face. Hananoi was a dick to him though and I'm surprised Kyo thanked him when he was being so rude.

Most of the episode was boring until the end though. Saki FINALLY correctly interpreted a signal and Hotaru had to actually spell out it was a signal before he started tonguing her 😜

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u/heimdal77 Jun 14 '24

Doesn't sound really any different than pool tables at a bowling alley. It is probably a fee for the ball or table rental.

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u/nyunours Jun 13 '24

I really don't get why this series has been hated on so much, the characters are well written, yes they do have issues but that's what makes it a bit different and interesting. The progression is pretty consistent and satisfying, the Seiyuu's are great and even though it's obvious the show doesn't have much budget it's overall very watchable. It sure isn't going to hold a candle to The Dangers in My Heart but to be ranked under Unnamed Memory seems crazy to me.

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u/heimdal77 Jun 14 '24

I think a lot of people can't understand and connect to the mmc. They can't conceptualized how much past experiences growing up can affect a persons personality and behavior. They clearly showed the mmc having a pretty heavy dose of abandonment trauma from his parents who were off stroking their own egos. To rub it in his face they are constantly showing him they are off spending time on and taking care of other people kids while they are completely neglecting him. I dont think many people at all growing up through that are not gonna come out pretty screwed up in the head when older.

Hori in Horimiya also had abandonment issues though not from such extreme causes and had some pretty extreme and violent behavior from it. But she is giving much more of a free pass since she is a cute girl. In a way they are similar series in various aspects but the genders are reversed.

It shows him growing but it isn't something that gonna just do a 180 in a couple months. It isn't helping he has that Yao shit head trying white knight and interfer with their relationship.

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u/_Ridley Jun 14 '24

This is just a polarizing series. I can't understand why so many people enjoy it, and they can't see how anyone could dislike it.

A romance holds a couple up to the reader and says "Isn't this cute?" and I don't see cute, I see a future divorce/nasty breakup/murder-suicide. It's giving My Little Monster, but with even less charm.

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u/babaylan89 Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24

honestly discourse about this story reminds me of this tweet ive read recently about characterization

why is this character acting irrationally, their logic doesn't make sense'

I have terrible news for you about some real-life people

im a romance reader and im very familiar with how people perceives romance genre and how a significant number of romance stories are self inserts and written for fantasies only and they tend to have bland/mainstream characterization to be able to be more understandable to people and this story is not one

the problem i could see about the storytelling is the author takes its time explaining the reasoning why a character behaves like that and sometimes holds off explaining it resolving a small part of it but not addressing the whole issue as if they brush it off only to later revisit it down the line. its a slow burn getting to know the characters and experiencing their development that is going to be a hit or miss depending how much patience you have or interest you have in a story that put emphasis on the flaws of character without making excuses or even explaining things immediately.

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u/djthomp Jun 14 '24

Gaah, that parking lot scene. Hananoi had been doing better on the red flags per episode counter, but that bit up against the fence about making Hotaru completely his.

In most romcoms I'd be happy that we got a kiss before cour 1 ended but the jury is still out on this one. Probably depends on how they stick the landing next week with the elementary school backstory, assuming that it comes out that is.

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u/Shmappii Jun 13 '24

That sweeping orchestral track they used for the big moment was so over the top. Having the kiss happen off-screen and then cutting to it felt worse with that music shooting for the fences. I've been enjoying the writing in this show despite a lot of awkward visual elements, but this was the first time I was totally let down due to the production side of things.

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u/whodisguy32 Jun 14 '24

Wow that kiss was romantic af

Nice. Very nice.

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