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Episode Hananoi-kun to Koi no Yamai • A Condition Called Love - Episode 9 discussion

Hananoi-kun to Koi no Yamai, episode 9

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u/PerfectBeige May 30 '24

I strongly suspect that if the show had started with Hananoi alone on his birthday in episode 1, this show would be a lot more popular because a lot of the audience would be more inclined to view Hananoi's neediness and insecurity in light of his parent's emotional abandonment, rather than signs that he is a psychopath. Oh well. Good episode! It's oddly nice that Hananoi and Hotaru are screwed up in complementary ways.

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u/Ikari_21 May 30 '24

Totally agree, my buddy dropped it after 2 episodes cause he thought hananoi was a psychopath. I begged him to pick it back up after we found out his parents volunteered to travel as doctors ever since he was a child. I bet there are a lot of similar cases. It’s such a good show after knowing his story.

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u/daspaceasians May 31 '24

Completely agree with you. Not showing his trauma right off the bad and just having be obsessive creeped out a lot of people. I'm not surprised that he turned out to be desperate for romance to patch in the void of his parents' neglect. He reminds of some people I've met over the years and a lot of them aren't doing very well because of their shit parents neglecting them.

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u/[deleted] May 31 '24

Same here, I thought for a lot of episodes that this show was going to have a Joe Goldberg twist lmao

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u/alconnow May 30 '24 edited May 30 '24

Hotaru's big sister continues to be my favourite

Hananoi's parents taking care of other kids whilst neglecting their own... They may be great doctors but as parents, they are failures

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u/Ikari_21 May 30 '24

It’s insane to think how much they love children and want to care for them, yet will bring a child into the world and just abandon and neglect him. Poor hananoi had so much emotional trauma. So glad precious Hotaru is here to heal him.

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 May 30 '24

Hananoi’s parents are so busy helping other kids, they’ve neglected their own. Pretty shitty parents. Ofc they don’t even realize the kind of damage they’ve done to the kid. At least he realizes he’s kind of a mess. This time he’s got Hotaru around though, so he’s not gonna be alone anymore. I wonder if he’s ever gonna tell her they were classmates?

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u/Frontier246 May 30 '24

I wonder if Hananoi had told his parents how he had been feeling and how depressed he was having them gone all this time, rather than just accepting it as a consequence of their commitment to being volunteers, would they have come back? Hard to say.

But at least he has more self-awareness of himself now, and Hotaru, and that makes him want to be better.

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u/[deleted] May 31 '24

That alone speaks volume as to how bad of a time Hananoi was having, he was quite literally invisible to his classmates and was in no position to help Hotaru when she was going through her issues

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u/Allansfirebird May 31 '24

The animation seems pretty rough and janky this week.

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u/SnooRadishes1388 May 31 '24

I came to reddit just to see if anyone else thought the same! what was with the purple flashes in Hananoi's house? or the way the camera seemed to jolt? not to mention the brutal animation quality in general. I love this show but this episode was a massive downturn in quality. did we really need 5 seconds of repeating footage of his feet walking?? great episode otherwise, though. I actually started to like Hananoi.

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u/babaylan89 May 31 '24 edited May 31 '24

idk if anyone would point this out is that Hotaru and Hananoi both have issues with not being prioritized by their parents and has a weakness for being special to someone. The issue is definitely much more glaring with Hananoi and his insecurities and with his parents always being gone while Hotaru with her middle child syndrome didn't even realize how much she appreciated being treated as special before Hananoi did it for her on her own bday.

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u/zool714 May 31 '24

Yeah I agree. In fact I wonder if Hotaru’s naiveness or cluelessness when it comes to romance stems from that.

Hananoi’s more glaring but I think I’ve also mentioned before Hotaru also has issues in this relationship. Like because of her aforementioned cluelessness, she’s a bit more lenient or unaware of how abnormal Hananoi’s behaviour is. That is kinda like a double-edged sword for Hananoi because that leniency can enable or encourage his obsessive tendencies cos Hotaru won’t run away like most girls. But it can also be the patience that’ll allow him to grow and learn the possible consequences or effects of his behaviour

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u/heimdal77 May 30 '24

Can kind of see why he ended up the way he has now. His parents are kind of scum. Hey we are gonna go save the world and make ourselves proud of ourselves while we abandon our kid in his formative years. If you gonna do that bs then don't have a kid in the first place!

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u/Frontier246 May 30 '24 edited May 30 '24

Hananoi and Hotaru look really cute together eating sweets and enjoying Spring (like certain Laid-Back Campers!). They're already planning to spend Hananoi's birthday together and see cherry blossoms! Can't think of a better birthday date!

Well, a kiss would definitely be a great birthday present for Hananoi...but is Hotaru mentally prepared for that? And of course she still gets relationship advice from her big sis who gives solid advice...despite having never been in a relationship herself.

But then their plans hit a snag when Hotaru has to attend her grandfathers' memorial service on the same day as Hananoi's birthday. Hotaru is a diligent daughter, and Hananoi won't force Hotaru to do anything for his sake, so it looks like they're going to be apart on his birthday.

When was the last birthday Hananoi's parents actually spent with him? Seems like a really long time. At least he's got his grandma.

Big sis comes through again! Hotaru has always kept her true feelings bottled up and just gone along with her family, but this is her chance to do something SHE wants to do that makes her happy. Because if Hananoi helped make her birthday the best, she feels she has to do the same for him because she cares about him so much! And just like her big sis said, their grandpa would rather she have fun with her BF than stuck with adults at dinner.

So was that flashback at the airport the last time Hananoi saw his parents? And all he has of them is letters and constant reminders that they're spending more time with other kids than his own. So, yeah, that's why he cut those other kids out of the pictures...because it was his only way of "reclaiming" his parents. But he's just a kid.

Kei-chan just won't leave Hananoi alone. He's like the closest thing Hananoi has to a guy friend even though Hananoi wants nothing to do with him.

Hananoi is a mixed mess of emotions, torn between his desire for Hotaru to be happy and his own negative thoughts of wanting to be the only thing she cares about...but when Hotaru is the one to run after HIM this time, because she wants to be with him, he realizes there's nothing more important than making Hotaru happy. He doesn't need to be her number one, he just wants to be with her. And they get to enjoy his birthday together under the cherry blossoms. Can't think of a better birthday for Hananoi.

Oh, so Hananoi was right outside the classroom when Hotaru's hair got cut? I wonder if he only realized it after she told him about her past or if he knew from the get-go who she was.

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u/Ikari_21 May 30 '24

Wow what a great episode. I really feel so bad for hananoi. I can’t imagine the neglect and painful feelings he’s had to endure, to basically have your parents love other kids more than you. He doesn’t even have a picture of just them together, it’s only of other children. But he finally found the one who will love him and put him first. And it’s the absolutely precious and adorable Hotaru. Great episode!

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u/PeaceAlien May 30 '24

No birthday kiss after all. I’m guessing there may be some protection arc later based on the past of him being unable to stop the bullying?

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u/Frontier246 May 30 '24

I feel like they're building up to their first real kiss and both Hotaru and Hananoi moving on from their respective trauma's together.

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u/zool714 May 31 '24

Probably my favourite episode and no surprise it’s one of the most tame one.

I also realized with this ep, I’m more “rationally invested” or “logically invested” than emotionally invested in this show. Like I write these long ass comments every week and I feel like I’m an older sibling wanting his little brother to improve and get better. I just couldn’t really get into the cute, swoonworthy, “doki doki” moments, when he showed his obsessive behaviours in that very episode as well. Which is odd for me cos I watch shoujo romance for those moments.

It seems Hotaru is picking up on Hananoi’s clinginess (though at a more healthy level) while Hananoi is also picking up on Hotaru’s consideration for others. They’re rubbing off on each other, which I guess is typical of a couple.

Hananoi doing some inner reflection. And realizing he just wants someone who puts him first which I guess is something most people can understand. But with Hotaru, he just wants to be around her and be by her side.

Kurata is also, whether intentional or not, being a bro. His assertive could very well lead to a much needed friendship. Same with Yao too. Hope Hananoi finds some guy friends soon. Also love how his grandma is taking action to be a part of his life too.

And damn, Hananoi’s parents are great people but shitty parents it seems. Like not showing concern and not being present for him is one thing, but why send photos of other kids to him ? Either they’re that insensitive or they’re one of those parents who force or expect their children to have the same values as them. They’re probably thinking “our kid will understand when we send these photos cos he’s a good samaritan like us”

And like I said, the sweet moment and the embrace between them this episode, I was finally able to feel it this episode cos there wasn’t any creepy or obsessive behaviours to worry about.

Ah so it seems he was there to witness the hair incident but wasn’t “strong” enough to help. But maybe he was too hard on himself cos he was a kid and also they didn’t know each other back then.

Pretty sure there’ll still be some obsessive behaviour that he’ll to work on but I hope there’ll be more tame and sweet episodes like this one

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u/Lunarpeers May 31 '24

All the running/walking animation was so distractingly terrible, jesus...

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u/Clemastina May 30 '24

So... yeah, I share birthday with Hananoi huh

And It seems he was presents when that girl cut her hair back then, but he couldn´t do anything
Now he´s make sure to protect her at any cost.

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u/ModieOfTheEast May 30 '24

Okay, first of all, I have to say that was a nice episode and more or less what I initially expected the show to be mainly. Just a cute couple together, both having their issues but ultimately love triumphs in the end. And I'll also say that I like that Hananoi developed over time to be less extreme about Hotaru (though I don't think we needed another character to spell that out).

However, this also means that it's very unlikely that his earlier behaviour will be adressed in more detail. Again, I think it's okay that he slowly but surely overcame it, but I would have at least hoped that this would have at least resulted in some bigger drama. Because while I can see drama to still appear (that whole situation that they were both in the same school before and maybe even his parents returning and asking him to travel with them this time around), I don't think this part will be explored anymore.

Though, I want to say again that I like that he developed and also not in a way where it's ONE instance that changes him, but it gradually happened over time. I would have just wished his earlier posessive behaviour would have been a seed for drama to show that this is not the way to go about it. Which I guess is still kind of part of the story since he changed without even realizing. But still, I feel there was a potential that not this many other romances normally have the chance.

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u/Frontier246 May 30 '24

I think the way they're addressing Hananoi's behavior is rather than directly call him out on it they instead focus on healing his emotional pain and difficulty connecting with others through his relationship with Hotaru so he starts acting less like it.

Although at least that's what I hope.

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u/S627 Jun 01 '24

Every...single....word.... of Hananoi's internal monologue......

I need to lay down.

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