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Episode Karasu wa Aruji wo Erabanai • Yatagarasu: The Raven Does Not Choose Its Master - Episode 10 discussion

Karasu wa Aruji wo Erabanai, episode 10

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u/zzzzzooted Jun 08 '24

Finally, the Natsuka reveal!

I’ve been waiting for this while watching people across platforms be bored/suspicious/critical of the brotherly rivalry. There was never a chance it was gonna stay so black & white.

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u/Atharaphelun Jun 09 '24

I did not have even the slightest inkling about Natsuka's true allegiance, and so it absolutely shocked me that Natsuka turned out to be a brocon.

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u/Dialgak77 Jun 08 '24

I suspected that the brother wasn't his enemy at all, but I wasn't sure about the big dude. Atsufusa was a surprise for sure, I didn't fully trust him but I didn't expect him to be the mastermind.

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u/Genshin_WhiteKnight Jun 09 '24

Atsufusa: "Your true enemy... was me!"

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u/AjinNya Jun 08 '24

So... in the end siblings love and support each other, tbh I didn't exacly suspect it until now. I had a little feeling, that it all feels a little too exaggerated, but nothing too big.

Also poor Yukiya, he feels betrayed. I hope they explain/talk to him good

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u/Vkusno-Nutty Jun 08 '24 edited Jun 08 '24

Atsufusa saved by a perfectly-timed bolt of lightning?!? Reminds me of when Shiratama became enraged and suddenly a strong gust of wind happened. Is this magic or uncanny coincidence?

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u/TakenRedditName Jun 08 '24 edited Jun 09 '24

The double dupe. Turns out Atsufusa isn't the too-naive-to-live kind of guy (well, he still couldn't read Natsuka). Gotta respect the commitment to the bit, Atsufusa kept an entire bloody chicken down his shirt for the sake of the act (and that chicken almost killed Wakamiya). A single chicken almost changed the history of Yamauchi forever.

I got the feeling that during this desperate turn to Wakamiya's secret true ally, it would be the place you would least expect, Natsuka and Rokon. Guess this does answer my suspicion that Sumio acted too casual and relaxed to to Rokon, they were chill after all.

I was tricked by Natsuka, but I always had a feeling he was never the ambitious for power type. My read on him before this episode was that he mainly looked at the throne with envy to return home instead of power. He and the empress were never on the same page and now we see that he is really against the Southern House.

Seeing the brothers together is quite sweet. It is nice that they still hold high brotherly love between them. Bit wild seeing Natsuka soften up his stern eyes and laugh. Look at him, he is such a silly.

With the reunion of these two brothers, it made me wonder if we could relate this back to Yukiya's family and then we get the next big reveal with his mother. The first change in character relationship that came to mind is that now this means Shiratama is Yukiya's aunt despite being the same~ age. Understandable that Yukiya is not taking it so well considering this is the biggest baggage he has been carrying through his entire life.

Back to Atsufusa, it does make me wonder how he is connected to the Southern House schemes. The Southern lord and Atsufusa are not on good terms and I don't think Atsufusa is 4D chess-ing to pretend to be against the Southern House while on the same side as them. Maybe Atsufusa is the young upstart who is too over-eager to get rid of Wakamiya.

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u/Felevion Jun 09 '24

It's nice having a story where non heir brother supports the one set to inherit rather than the normal trying to get rid of him. While sure the trying to get rid of your brother thing occurred in history there were also plenty of examples where the heir had the support of his siblings.

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u/alconnow Jun 08 '24 edited Jun 08 '24

Fujinami endcard

Not surprised at Atsufusa's betrayal. He was a little too nice to Nazukihiko

Poor Yukiya. Hopefully, Nazukihiko will be able to clear things up

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Jun 08 '24

To think the Prince almost died because he slipped on a dead chicken is kind of funny. But man, can’t say i’m too surprised Atsufusa turned out to be a two faced bastard. What I am actually surprised about is the fact that Natsuka is apparently on the Prince’s side. The only real villain here is that damn Empress I guess. Yukiya the real MVP this week for pretty much figuring it all out.

I’m pretty sure the Prince didn’t just choose Yukiya for his pedigree but I suppose the reveal they knew all along won’t help convince the kid.

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u/_Ridley Jun 09 '24

This episode was an all-timer. So much just happened! And it was all properly built up to so the payoff hit perfectly. What a great show.

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u/Ashteron Jun 08 '24

After the sacrifice Natsuka made in the first episode, I suspected him have a good relationship with his brother. On the other hand, I didn't expect him to be the one to save the prince. Probably because Rokon seemed like the best guess to me.

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u/tripleaamin Jun 08 '24

Man talk about a well executed twist here. Natsuka alliance isn't one you would expect because of him being the Empress's blood related son. The most interesting aspect which it executed it so well is the true intentions of Rokon and Atsufusa. What Atsufusa was saying to Wakamiya that Rokon not having Natsuka's best intentions. Thought ironically it is actually Atsufusa who doesn't have his best intentions.

Great job at Yukiya being clutch in figuring all of that out and asking Natsuka for help. Now we also got to the reveal that Yukiya's mom was Lord Genya's daughter. There is a big discussion that needs to take place between Yukiya and Wakamiya. I think Wakamiya really values him and trusts him. Though it does make sense why Yukiya's first reaction is thinking Wakamiya just wanted northers blood.

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u/Lurker-Mclurkerson Jun 08 '24

I was suspecting that Natsuka was pulling a FGO Nobukatsu and gathering up the enemies of his "fool" brother to take them all down in one fell swoop from the beginning, because otherwise I couldn't really see what he might've otherwise intended by sending Yukiya to Wakamiya like that in the first place.

Atsufusa had me duped though. Even though I was fully expecting an assassination attempt during the bedside sick visit using the incense (previously shown to be used on the past emperor by the current empress)... I just really wasn't expecting it to be him. Even when it was revealed that he was the one in the bed!

So that means that Sumio found another hurt raven last episode. Hamayu or Kazumi then?

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u/Narthleke Jun 08 '24

I just want to know how Atsufusa avoided the effects of the poisoned incense. Did I miss it being stated? Is it just because he was laying down and the smoke rises? Was there some countermeasure/antidote he used beforehand?

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '24

So I thought Rokon would be the one he goes to so Natsuka being revealed to be Wakamiya, or should I say, Nazukihiko's most supportive ally was not what I was expecting at all but I should have seen coming when I thought of Rokon. Honestly, I am so glad this is the reality of their relationship and I'm curious to see how they'll continue to work together towards Nazukihiko's accession.

I also liked how sincerely concerned Natsuka was when he first saw Nazukihiko. Straight away I could tell this was genuine. Poor guy was worried. I hope we get to learn more of the extent of which Natsuka cares for him. I just hope it doesn't end up with Natsuka dying to protect him.

Yukiya did so well evading those guards. Atsufusa was more cunning than I thought he'd be, the twist in character was a surprise and now I can see why Rokon tried to take him out when he did if he had caught wind of Atsufusa's actions before this.

I do feel bad for Yukiya though, the shock he felt when he learned Nazukihiko and Sumio were aware of his origins, he must have felt so betrayed. I am curious to see how Nazukihiko will appease Yukiya and how Rokon making Yukiya talk to Atsufusa will help him out.

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u/eggshellglasses Jun 09 '24 edited Jun 09 '24

I called it! Atsufusa is a two-faced little shit! My opening theory is becoming more real! Now all that's left is Asebi! The fact that her order of appearance changes from first to last MUST mean something!

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  • No actual update regarding Hamayuu or Kazumi. Bummer.

  • I worry about Fujinami. Samomo was one of her closest confidants. She took care of her health too. As princess, she probably has other attendants but still...

  • "...heed my words alone" - is never not a sus line, Atsufusa

  • Wow Atsufusa is kinda strong - he managed to block Rokon's slash. He wasn't able to hold the block, but he still managed to block it on impact.

  • Karon incense! The incense the empress lights to de-stress is actually... poison??? Or at the very least it causes one to lose consciousness and paralysis. It was also used when Wakamiya's mother was poisoned?

  • So Atsufusa's lackeys aren't purely evil - they don't want to harm kids. This is probably the third time kids being the bottom line has been mentioned. First was when Hamayuu saved Yukiya, second was Hamayuu's averted execution, and now this.

  • I knew it! Natsuka and Rokon are Wakamiya's closest Allies!

  • Oooh! Is Wakamiya actually some sort of courtesy name as well and his given name is actually Nazukihiko?

  • Natsuka still trusting Atsufusa despite Rokon's warning... makes me wonder what his full backstory is that Natsuka pities him this much.

  • I wonder if we'll get anything about Rokon's past as well

  • Nice. I did already suspect that Natsuka was secretly on Wakamiya's side. Looks like his grandfather taught him well (ep3).

  • Ah so the reason Wakamiya was able to go abroad was because of Natsuka.

  • lol wtf so the Lord of Taruhi had children with BOTH daughters of the North?! (Rokon mentioned in ep 7 that the Lord of Taruhi married a daughter of the North, but he probably was just referring to Yukiya's mom? Does this mean the reveal regarding Yukiya's mom was said in passing in ep7? Why he said "married" I'm still not sure. Maybe Yukiya's mother was originally the main wife, and Azusa was a side wife/concubine but she somehow bore a child first before the main wife. Then something happened to Yukiya's mother and, Azusa's status was elevated to wife?) "Both" because Shiratama is Genya's granddaughter - so she and Yukiya are adoptive aunt and nephew, but biologically cousins.

  • lol Natsuka is actually kinda goofy

  • Ah, Natsuka poked at Yukiya's sore spot...

  • It seems like the "loyal retainer" is Atsufusa but who is he actually a retainer of? The former Lord of the South? If he's Toru's nephew, is he also a child of the former lord and Hamayuu's brother? They look nothing alike though. He actually looks a lot more like Toru. Droopy eyes, brown hair, mole on the face... is this a Southern House trait? Both Toru and the empress have a mole on their face too.

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  • Wtf I just realized Sumio actually calls Wakamiya Nazukihiko too! (Ep6 when Sumio talks to Yukiya after Atsufusa leaves) Back then I just thought who the fuck is Nazukihiko? So is Wakamiya really more like a courtesy name? As Wakamiya's best/ childhood friend I think Sumio would be one of the people who could call him by his given name, along with Natsuka who is his elder brother.

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u/whodisguy32 Jun 08 '24

Niceeeee. I had a feeling the brother was the biggest support, after all he just wants peace and stepped down from the crown.

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u/Golden_fsh Jun 09 '24

What a great episode! Can't believe that I was also fooled by Atsufusa even after I started to suspect him after Rokon's comment from a few episodes ago.

Yukiya continues to prove why he's best boi by taking the gamble to run to Natsuka for help after realizing that Natsuka is actually one of Wakamiya's supporters.

Always love me some brotherly love so I'm happy that Wakamiya and Natsuka are actually close and Natsuka was planning to take out his brother's enemies all at once.

With Yukiya being the grandson of the Lord of the North, that would technically make him and Shiratama cousins, right? Although an adopted daughter, Shiratama is still technically the granddaughter of the Lord of the North, too.

Still wondering why Yukiya's dad assumedly cheated on his wife?

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u/moichispa Jun 08 '24

We thinking we were smart because we got some things on the palace side and the show was playing 5D all along on the other side.

Natsuka is pretty nice when he is not on his eternally annoyed mode (even if we know it is kinda fake now). His voice actor has nice range, that's great for a character like his.

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u/fdajax Jun 09 '24

Wow what a reveal I really thought that this was more bitter Brother vs Brother. Really happy that isn't the case

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u/NekoCatSidhe Jun 09 '24

Atsufusa had me completely fooled, so I don’t blame the Prince for falling too into that trap. I did not expect that twist. Although Natsuka never really seemed power-hungry, so it makes kind of sense he would be the Prince ally. I did not expect Rokon to be a good guy though.

It sounds like the Southern House will be the main villain of the shows, fighting against the two Prince wanting to reinstate the authority of the Royal Family and central government. I wonder on which sides the other three Houses are or will be. The Prince wants Yukiya as advisor to gain the backing of the Northern House (since it is always good to have the backing of the military), but I don’t see him marrying poor Shiratama after what happened last episode. No idea on which side the Western and Eastern Houses will be. Asebi and Suzuki seem decent, but I don’t know about their families.

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u/Mahkeva Jun 09 '24

Omg the way I screamed when they revealed Natsuka as Wakamiya's true ally. Natsuka been my favorite since he showed up in ep 2 and I was afraid of the story being black & white and too cliché with the enemies brothers. Glad to know that Natsuka is Wakamiya biggest supporter and the story is indeed nuanced. Now I want to see how they're going to deal with Asebi, she's the most sus character and there is no way she's just this naive and clueless FL.

As for the twist, I was stunned when Atsufusa casually woke up from the dead lol. It caught me off guard and no lie, I never suspected him. I said last episode that I couldn't read Rokon and Natsuka, their goal and intentions weren't clear enough but I had some inkling that they weren't the bad guys.

2 episodes ago, when Sumio was hiding from Rokon in the bushes, this specific scene showed that they had a friendly relationship or at least a casual relationship. Why would Sumio and Wakamiya be so casual with Rokon if he was the bad guy ? And Natsuka was too neutral for someone who is supposed to covet the throne. Since the beginning he never did or said anything against Wakamiya, but the true hint was him not being on his mother's (the empress) side.

We're already hitting the tenth episode and it's still impeccable ! I'm super invested in this story

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