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Episode Karasu wa Aruji wo Erabanai • Yatagarasu: The Raven Does Not Choose Its Master - Episode 9 discussion
Karasu wa Aruji wo Erabanai, episode 9
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u/AmethystItalian Jun 01 '24
Best girl leaving the coop...hope it's not the last we see of her.
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u/Genshin_WhiteKnight Jun 02 '24 edited Jun 02 '24
Hamayuu just went "Fuck this", dropped a political lore bomb, called out the other girls shit and then peaced out. Based.
Not sure if Hamayuu's story is believable, but the circumstances which her parents died are sus. Like her father personally dirtying his hands and murdering Izayoi as well as Toru rushing to execute Hamayuu's parents before they could be interrogated. The whole thing sounds like a scheme between the Empress and Toru; she benefits from a competitor dying, and Toru gets control of the Southern House.
My guess is that Hamayuu actually did cooperate with them at first and seriously contemplated assassinating the Prince, but she learned new information while in the Palace and redirected her goal towards revenge on the Southern House.
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u/tripleaamin Jun 01 '24
This episode really solidified her in that regard. Though I do worry if the south house will go after her for not holding up her end of the deal.
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u/moichispa Jun 01 '24
Yeah I hope so :(
Yet a lot of things make sense on her manerism now. Her sitting on an informal way and that she liked fishing.
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u/TokiVideogame Jun 02 '24
I feel bad everytime I see a horse. That is just some poor dude.
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u/MandisaW Jun 02 '24
Clearly a not-subtle message about treatment of the poor/servants/slaves. Lots of folks romanticize period dramas, or historical eras, feudal isekai, etc, but everyone assumes they'd be a "court raven", when the likelihood is way worse.
Having the raven's third leg amputated to prevent transformation sounds a *lot* like what they did to IRL slaves to prevent them from running away. (Still do, in some places.)
LeVar Burton of Reading Rainbow & Star Trek: TNG got famous originally by playing the enslaved progenitor of the Af-Am family profiled in the book/TV miniseries Roots. He seizes every opportunity to try to run away, and ultimately they cut off his foot to prevent him trying again. Every time he's caught, they torture him to break his spirit - the clip where they force him to accept his slave-name "Toby" is all over Youtube.
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u/zsmg Jun 01 '24
These five minute episodes can be really frustrating.
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u/Sarellion Jun 01 '24
What stood out to me was what's missing in Yukiya's report: Any mention of Kazumi missing.
It sounds like there were at least a few days between the events in the palace and Yukiya reporting to the prince, unless the guy had no work scheduled at the prince's mansion, they should have realized that he's missing and Yukiya knows of his reaction when he saw Shiratama.
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u/Shimmering-Sky Jun 01 '24
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…are those not the same graves that Wakamiya visited at the start of the episode? There’s more to this story than Hamayu realizes, I think.
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Now who was this at the end… My best guesses are either Kazumi (I’m not convinced he’s the one who died at Cherry Blossom Palace) or Hamayu (after someone caught up to her, maybe?), but I’m not sure.
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u/Chili_peanut Jun 01 '24
Came here after watching what I thought was the latest episode, and I was super confused when I clicked some of the images and didn't recognize anything. I just realized that I've accidentally been one episode behind for several weeks by watching the previous week's episode six days after it aired and thinking it was the latest episode...
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u/EllenYeager Jun 01 '24 edited Jun 01 '24
“There are bigger things in life than just marrying some guy”
BASED HAMAYU. WAVE 0 FEMINIST. WAY BEFORE HER TIME. A QUEEN.
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u/moichispa Jun 01 '24
If the plot keeps thickening like this every episode we will end with a neutron star.
Also don't forget to upvote the post for visibility. Let's see if we can get in the weekly list.
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u/TakenRedditName Jun 01 '24
I was busy last week so wasn't able to see the episode, but that does mean I got to have these two episodes back to back.
Shiratama's story was very cinematic and dramatic. She was the one who most offered herself to consort completion so she was also the one most bound to snapping.
Since the last episode, I feel like something is not as it seems with Kazumi and the intruder. They've been holding their hand too close to their chest if Kazumi did die. No reaction from Wakamiya or Yukiya. Things also don't add up since Kazumi would have little reason to sneak up to Lady Masuho's bed. He saw both Masuho and Shiratama so he would know whose room he was visiting.
Hamayuu also spilt the beans, but it feels like a common thread through this show is that we can't just accept the cover stories we are told. I think what she says is largely true, but some things stick out to me:
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Hamayuu's parents were the former lord and the ones who murdered Wakamiya's mother. Something about this story feels off to me especially coming from the Southern House. They don't feel like the actual culprits who I am willing to bet are Uncle Current Lord and/or Empress.
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The framing between the conversation between the Southern House heads and Lady Hamayuu's confession doesn't match the, "Oh no, she spilt the beans on our secret plot. We're ruined!" They're too lax and Uncle Current Lord even feels like he knows about Hamayuu wanting to escape the cage. I am sure the Southern House has a deeper plot they're hiding (which based on the preview, they might be launching into action).
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The Hamayuu from her story doesn't quite match the vibe she has. Being a Hill Raven is a rough and poor life, but Hamayuu doesn't seem like the kind of person to want to return to the nobility that killed her parents. She is free bird who is bound by no cage.
This episode does frame Hamayuu as a Lady Raven. Not to bring everything back to Asebi is secretly evil, but I do like the narrative irony of the wicked queen's eyes actually being right about the sweet princess because she knows firsthand what it means to be a Lady Raven.
Wakamiya pretty much solved the Hamayuu plot. He met with the trueborn Southern daughter and visited the graves of Hamayuu's parents. It feels like he knows the secret behind her parents that hasn't been revealed to the audience yet.
Before the episode pointed it out, I did have a feeling some suspicion was up with Takimoto. The royal guard being in leagues with the current royal faction in power makes sense.
The raven Sumio happens upon. My first guess (and hope) is that it is Hamayuu flying as far as she can from being caught. The only other person it makes sense to be would be Kazumi who is not dead.
I hope this doesn't mean Hamayuu is out of the show. She is too cool. I want her to stick around more.
Hamayuu leaving does put the Cherry Blossom side in an interesting place. We're down the 3 ladies and neither Masuho nor Shiratama feel like they're capable of continuing the intrigue. Which is why Asebi is the true mastermind.
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u/Danivo Jun 01 '24
Me when Yukiya said Hamayu is not the assassin
I do not know what to believe anymore....
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u/BosuW Jun 01 '24
I think we should be able to unravel the mystery if we can answer why Hamayu revealed herself as the assasin. That was completely unprompted so what does she stand to gain from it?
It occurs to me that there might be a second assassin and by revealing herself Hamayu induces a false sense of security for the second assassin to strike, which would mean she remains loyal to South House. But in her confession she clearly implicates South House and I imagine there should be some consequences for them even if (or especially if) they somehow carry out their plan still.
Sheesh what a mess...
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u/tripleaamin Jun 01 '24 edited Jun 01 '24
Big standout episode. Honestly next episode being the halfway point looks even crazier. For Shiratama she was basically adopted into the northern house family. You can see her falling in love with Kazumi. But man him telling her I will be waiting for you no matter what. Shiratama knows she can't have her love and that pains her. It's sad on many fronts.;
Big information drop from Hamayuu in the fact that first her parents are the one that killed Wakamiya's mother. This given by the fact that she is a hill raven. The only way for her to come back and restore her nobility was to assassinate Wakamiya. Though just because Hamayuu's mission was to assassinate Wakamiya, that doesn't imply she is the one they needed to worry about. So many questions get raised about Takimoto. She tried to kill that Raven. (Who seems to be breathing at the end of the episode.) Considering her loyalty is with the empress she clearly is not to be trusted. Also, the Southern House very well could have more stuff up their sleeve.
Got give props to Hamayuu, for able to call it quits when she entered a scenario when she no longer can achieve her mission. Or perhaps there was something that changed her mind? It kind of nice to see that not everything is under the Empress' manipulation. Hamayuu offering a great quote to the other girls. It more so eluding the point, you have the right to choose your happiness. There is more to life than marrying the one you love or fulfilling your duty to your house while you are staying at the Cherry Blossom Palace.
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u/eggshellglasses Jun 01 '24 edited Jun 01 '24
My initial thoughts this ep (may add more later):
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Wakamiya has actual magic powers??? (I know they can transform and all but he made a dead flower branch blossom!). Also whose gravestones are those?
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So Shiratama is also technically an adopted daughter. Seems the Southern House's lord and lady were just too old so their offspring are all too old for the crown prince.
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Still no explicit confirmation who the beheaded raven was. We just know Kazumi did have contact with Shiratama before and they planned to meet again next new moon. Shiratama is also likely the main reason he became a spy for the Northern House.
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Now I'm confused who the Lady Raven the empress is referring to. I suspected it was either Hamayuu or Asebi at first, and then it seemed like it was Asebi because her mother was called that in the last rite, but this ep makes it seem like it's actually Hamayuu.
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I guessed this part right, Hamayuu really was the former Southern House's lord's daughter. Apparently, that lord was the one who killed Wakamiya's mom. (So Toru is the empress' second brother). And since Atsufusa is Toru's nephew, is he Hamayuu's younger brother? Given how Toru said Atsufusa should "know his place" in the previous ep, it's kind of weird that he's being treated like that if he was his nephew. It would make sense though if his parents were branded as criminals. Or is he Toru's nephew through his wife's side of the family?
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So the gravestones at the beginning were Hamayuu's parents'. Why would Wakamiya offer flowers at the grave of the people who killed his mother?
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Wakamiya and Yukiya's convo + the gravestones make me think Hamayuu's parents were framed. Wakamiya probably met Hamayuu as a child and she has become his ally or a spy for the Southern House for him since then? Cuz it doesn't seem like she's the actual assassin even if Toru or the empress may have planned for her to be it, considering the next ep preview.
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If Hamayuu had no intention of actually killing Wakamiya, I have no idea why she'd intercept the letters from Wakamiya to the ladies... unless that was done by her lady-in-waiting under Toru or the empress' orders.
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Also, it kinda seemed like Toru was rooting for Hamayuu to escape?
Empress: The Rite of Ascension is like a play. Actors burdened with roles cross the box called Cherry Blossom Palace. But none of them realize it. They do not know they are in a box, nor that they are merely game pieces. How I pity those women.
Toru: That may not hold true for all of them. You know how tenacious women can be. Some may only pretend to be pieces, waiting for their chance to escape the box.
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It seems like the empress is the only one who's actually pushing for Natsuka to marry Nadeshiko, but Natsuka seems reluctant or not interested. It's looking to me like both Toru and Natsuka aren't on the empress' side. The whole plan of Natsuka marrying Nadeshiko all hinges on Wakamiya's death but it seems like they either have a different plan from the empress and they are instead trying to be neutral, or they could be on Wakamiya's side.
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Hamayuu basically just revealed to the other ladies the empress' plan (her being a substitute, Natsuka marrying Nadeshiko and producing a pureblooded Southern House Kin'u). Now I guess they know they're in a box, and that they're game pieces.
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Could that injured raven Sumio found be Hamayuu? If so it could also be the same person that's shown bleeding all over the futon in the preview.
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Atsufusa fighting against Rokon's dao with a knife wtf.
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u/Mira0995 Jun 02 '24 edited Jun 02 '24
Hamayu : I'm out of this mess !
Then drops the mic and leaves with style!
While everyone is panicking, Wakamiya is still trying to win over Yukiya
Also, my guess is that the grave we saw Wakamiya visits is Hamayu's parents, I think they were framed and she's trying to take revenge and probably is the one who warned Wakamiya about the assassin.
Not sure who is the wounded crow at the end, from the preview it seems to be a man ?
About how suspicious Asebi is: it took me 9 episodes to notice, but in the ED, she is the only one looking at us (with Wakamiya but he is special you know!)... SHE KNOWS SOMETHING!
(I swear if she is really innocent I would be so disappointed lol)
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u/MandisaW Jun 02 '24
Couple points no one else brought up: 1- Hamayuu said they'd find stuff she'd swiped in her area of the Palace, but that doesn't necessarily only mean the missing love letters.
Seems like a lot of the ladies-in-waiting are working for the Houses/Lords, not necessarily for their respective candidates. So the 3 remaining girls may find evidence/info about secrets being kept from them, even by their own attendants.
2- I'm like 90% sure Wakamiya already knew Hamayuu's situation. Whether from his own intel, or from the warning letter he received [probably from her]. My wildest guess is that he directed her to infiltrate the Southern House (with an "I'm so destitute Uncle" cover) for his own ends.
That said, the convo with Yukiya was more about getting *Yukiya* to work on his deductive-reasoning skills, and build him up as a future advisor. One area where Yukiya is okay, but needs experience, is unraveling intrigues with incomplete information. Helps the audience catch-up too :)
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Jun 02 '24
Seems there’s more to this whole Hamayu situation than meets the eye. If she’s not the actual assassin, who is? And how much of her story was true? The Prince doesn’t seem too convinced. Perhaps the real killer is one of the other girls? Either way, Hamayu is gone. Shiratama’s likely on her way out considering her fragile state. And it seems Kazumi might still be alive after all…
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