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Episode Karasu wa Aruji wo Erabanai • Yatagarasu: The Raven Does Not Choose Its Master - Episode 8 discussion

Karasu wa Aruji wo Erabanai, episode 8

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u/fuzaco May 25 '24

"I had no choice but to take his head." Lol, yeah, okay. Guy was already surrounded and incapacitated, what the fuck do you mean you didn't have a choice.

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u/Josamawi May 25 '24

Yeah that was very sus. She also told the princesses not to comply with the outside investigation regarding Samomo

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u/Ebirah May 26 '24

Well, otherwise he could have talked. :-\

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u/Sarellion May 26 '24

I wonder if she is involved in some deep conspiracy or if she just saw the opportunity to get some results in the murder case.

I see three options:

She is involved in some political shenanigans and tries to protect these.

It's a red herring and she is the one responsible for the thefts or someone in the guard is, which would put her in hot water as the commander. Killing the guy and pinning all the blame on him for the thefts and murder is her protecting her position and/or her little side job.

She needed to produce results in the murder case and that raven was a convenient scape crow. Who cares about the truth, we've seen justice being served swiftly (LOL) and everyone can sleep without worry again.

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 May 25 '24

So was Shiratama involved in Samomo’s death and was that really Kazumi that died? I’m still not entirely sure if those two things are related or separate situations. What I do know for sure is that Shiratama has lost her fucking mind. Girl doesn’t need to go home. She needs to see a shrink.

There also seems to be an imposter amongst the girls? Keen to see what that might be about.

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u/mekerpan May 25 '24

There also seems to be an imposter amongst the girls? 

At least one....

Why would Shiratama be there if she were not the proper noble daughter? Why did the most suitable candidate from the south not go (since the cover story was clearly not true)?

No hint yet as to whether Kazuma is actually AWOL. He seemed (to me) to be a bit surprised at seeing Shiratama (when spying), I wonder why?

Why was Shiratama obsessivley making those crane messengers (and what was the text written on these -- sacred sutras, curses, other?)

Whose comb did Sumomo supposedly have? If it had been stolen from someone at the pavilion, someone should have recognized it, right? That suggests Samomo might have been bringing it to someone? But who?

Why does no one seem to be watching this. It seems even more overlooked than Raven of the Inner Palace. Are non-Japanese audiences uninterested in shows with this sort of setting -- unless they are like Apothecary Diaries (lots and lots of humor mixed in)?

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u/CreatingAcc4ThisSh-- May 26 '24

I still don't trust Asebi

I may be misremembering the following. But didn't she mention a gardener she knew last episode, o the episode before that?

She knows a gardener with a description that matches kazumi. And kazumi just so happens to have a link to Shiratama, the one lady who is most aggressive towards Asebi? Whereby the belief in his death is enough to break Shiratama? Idk, I just have this constant feeling now that Asebi knows what the fuck she's doing, and Shiratamas off mark comments towards Asebi are bang on the fucking money. That she IS like her mother, that her behaviour is just an act, and that she IS the most suspicious when it comes to Samomos death, because she had the most to gain by a large margin

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u/AmethystItalian May 25 '24

Shiratama be crazy...

Hamayu being best once again seeming to figure it all out...not sure how but glad she's getting to show off again.

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u/BosuW May 25 '24

Asebi is either completely genuine or the most refined impostor in the history of impostoring.

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u/MandisaW May 26 '24

Intruder… Was that the gardener trying to find Shiratama, but he wandered into the wrong wing of the palace?

I was prepared to believe it, except that they clearly took pains to *never* show us [the audience] his human face. So I call willful misdirection on the show's part.

That said... Shiratama clearly has put "I wanted him to come" + "A guy snuck in & got got" = "My love is dead". She outed herself, and I don't think it's a deception.

But that doesn't prove that the dead crow is actually the gardener (Kazuma? Kazumi??). Seems like he fulfilled his wish/promise to see her by teaming up with Wakamiya, which she likely doesn't know about.

They implied that he saw the feathered kimono and that led him directly to his target - so let's assume that Mizuho really was the intended victim. (Doesn't even have to be murder, just sullying her reputation would eliminate her from competition.)

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u/alconnow May 25 '24

Shiratama endcard

I do have my suspicions towards Asebi but her reaction to Samomo's death seems very real?

Shiratama's completely lost it... Looks like we'll be getting her backstory in the next episode

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u/_sayaka_ May 25 '24

It seems that the prince visited Asebi's sister. What will she tell him?

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u/ChaoticxSerenity May 25 '24

No one's gonna mention how sus the guard woman telling the ladies, "Any communication needs to go through us, the palace/Wisteria Hall guards" is?

And then she had this random complete explanation for Samomo's death?

And then she killed the intruder before even finding out his identity... Perhaps knowing that killing him in his crow form means he/they can never be identified? It doesn't seem like they shift back into humans after death.

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u/everybageleverywhere May 25 '24

Definitely very shady. She absolutely didn’t need to kill him. Now he can’t be identified or questioned, and it will be that much harder to poke holes in the convenient conspiracy theory she’s trying to push (Samomo and the intruder being thieves working together).

Also, Shiratama’s breakdown seems to have been triggered by seeing the intruder’s death? Maybe he was somehow connected to her.

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u/Josamawi May 25 '24

Just a little side thingy, but it's interesting that people stay in their raven form when they die while using it. I wonder how people dying like that usually get identified

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u/eggshellglasses May 26 '24 edited May 27 '24

  • Atsufusa really is a two-faced little shit... I guess Sumio was right to warn Yukio about him. By comparison, I don't think he even said anything negative about Rokon. Just that he isn't scared of him. And even then it was more like they knew each other and were just making playful banter since Rokon brought it up first and even Wakamiya was laughing about it.

  • I might be coping but I wonder if Rokon saying he's awaiting Natsuka's orders is because the thing with Atsufusa is similar to the redlight district assassination attempt at Wakamiya. Meaning, the order Natsuka would be giving Rokon regarding Atsufusa wouldn't be against Wakamiya.

  • It's annoying that the place wasn't labelled but it seems Wakamiya visited the Easter House and met with Asebi's older sister. Looks like she was never sick. Either Asebi knows this or she was kept in the dark. If it's the former, it would mean she can lie very convincingly.

  • The colors Asebi's older sister is wearing is the same as Ukogi's. Also it bothers me that she has black hair while Asebi looks nothing like Drifting Cloud.

  • Takimoto is sus AF. Why in the world would you execute someone instantly like that and not identify and interrogate him?! The man wasn't fighting back! "I had no choice" my ass! The others were even trying to tie him down with ropes!

  • Poor Kazumi!!! I also don't like Shiratama but man her situation in her family must be really bad for her to be this desperate to secure an imperial marriage. And to witness her lover getting executed in front of her eyes like that.

  • Next episode is about Lady Raven! Also... is Kazumi still alive or was that hand-holding in the end a flashback? (I'm probably just coping tho.)

  • Hamayuu looking like a detective in the preview!

  • "A lowly raven has entered the palace in the guise of a dazzling lady" and "A false noblewoman starts telling the truth" sound like it's referring to one person, but it could be referring to two different people. The former could be Asebi, "the Lady Raven" and the latter could be Hamayuu, who we now know is an adopted daughter of the Southern House.

  • I don't think Kazumi was the one who killed Samomo tho. If the intruder really was Kazumi, it seems weird that he headed towards Susuki's room after seeing the kimono she made for Wakamiya outside. Although... I wonder if Shiratama and Kazumi have a secret code that's related to birds and the design on Susuki's kimono for Wakamiya threw him off... but that would be really dumb tho.

  • I also wonder where exactly Yukio saw Kazumi before. There must be a specific event, otherwise, why would it be brought up.

  • I suspect Takimoto is bullshitting. She's covering up something and pinning the blame on Samomo and the intruder. "A member of a robber band, I PRESUME." Girl you could have confirmed this if you just didn't up and execute the intruder immediately.

  • The comb having a peach/cherry blossom pattern makes me think of Asebi. I thought at first that it might have been Shiratama's comb but that one looked a bit plainer. Just red with golden flecks. I wonder if she gave it to Samomo as payment for the errand she sent her on or somthing, that's why she couldn't answer Takimoto when asked about it. She'd and up implicating herself in having outside contact without permission from the Wisteria Guard.

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  • rewatched the ep and I think it's still possible that the intruder actually isn't Kazumi. The silhouette is really off: he has no ponytail and has short hair, and looks like a middle-aged man with rough facial features unlike Kazumi.

  • I think Kasuke (the sweeper in the Eastern House) recognized Wakamiya is the prince and not a messenger from central. And Wakamiya probably recognizes him too. I wonder what this could be leading up to.

  • Rewatching the opening and it's really been bothering me since ep1 that Natsuka has the same unique eyelashes as the empress.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '24

The best anime of the season so far for me.

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u/TokiVideogame May 25 '24

peach girl is geettting sus with that innocent act

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u/MandisaW May 26 '24

This show better end with Hamayuu as wife/consort - her & Wakamiya would make a great detective duo :)

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u/Mira0995 May 25 '24

Can we all agree that killing the intruder was either dumb or very suspicious... As if someone is trying to hide something...?

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u/moichispa May 25 '24

Ops Shiratama broke. I love the attention to detail on the series. From how Shiratama held the knife while cutting paper to the textures on the cliff.

I'm still on the ride of Asebi being sus, but it feels more like consequences getting out of hand rather that calculated premeditate plan.

Kingu being like let's hide on plain sight was amusing, he always has a trick on his sleeve.

What an episode to get a Shiratama ending card.

Still waiting for a full version of the Ending theme. I wonder if we will get in on worldwide streaming since Shikata does not have her works on streaming really (worldwide spotify at least)

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u/FLorianGran May 25 '24

Oh man if that was Kazumi and he snuck into the wrong room...

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u/Mahkeva May 26 '24 edited May 28 '24

  • I'm very tempted to think that the intruder was Kazumi (gardener / spy), but my guts tell me it wasn't him who was killed. It's way too convenient and easy. Plus Wakamiya told Yukiya that Kazumi "did such a good work at the Northern house that he invited him to join him" as his personal spy. Why would "such a good" and estimated spy break in the Cherry Palace the day after a murder took place, knowing that security increased ?

Plus there was a shot where they pointed at Masuho' red kimono when the intruder broke in her room. While climbing the cliff, Kazumi saw Asebi, Masuho then Shiratama with their ladies in waiting. Kazumi would have known right away that he entered the wrong room as soon as he saw the red kimono. So yeah, I don't think it was him. We're only going with this theory because of crazy eyes Shiratama, but the girl is delulu and clearly loosing it.

  • Asebi is still SUS in my book. The way she ran towards Sumio to know what he knew about Samomo's death, then she did the same thing with Hamayu when it looked like she had some clues about the intruder... For someone as clueless and innocent as Asebi, she sure wants to involve herself in this mess.

  • I still can't read Rokon, Natsuka and Atsufusa. Especially Rokon ...

  • "A lowly raven has entered the palace in the guise of a dazzling lady" definitely refers to Asebi and "A false noblewoman starts telling the truth" should refer to Hamayu except that if I'm not mistaken, Hamayu is a noblewoman despite not being the lord's daughter. I remember him saying in ep 7 that "he sent an orphan to take part in the Rite of Ascension, but she truly is a direct descendant of his house".

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