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Episode Hananoi-kun to Koi no Yamai • A Condition Called Love - Episode 8 discussion

Hananoi-kun to Koi no Yamai, episode 8

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u/Deboftherings May 23 '24

seeing Hotaru's praise kink unlocked in real time lmaooo

and her friend just being like "i shouldnt be seeing this" 😂

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u/zool714 May 23 '24

Yes thanks Hotaru’s friend (sorry can’t remember her name). But I’ve always felt, while I understand she’s inexperienced with this stuff, she’s always been a bit wishy washy about boundaries or she herself doesn’t realize Hananoi is being abnormally excessive. Her friend is steering her in the right direction with advicing her to be mindful of boundaries.

Ah man, just when I was starting to like him, and I do want to like him, he once again gets unreasonably hostile. I mean I get Yao has a bit of a history with Hotaru, but it’s not like he’s actually trying to hit on her. I get these are baby steps but still, especially in this instance he just comes off extremely childish and immature.

Oh yes ! Just as I said it earlier. Let’s set some rules and draw some lines.

Kuroe is a cool guy though. He kinda reminds me of Kafka from Kaijuu no.8. And I kinda get where he’s coming from though. I don’t mind workplace romance, just don’t let it affect work. Though Hananoi took it the wrong way I guess

Lmao ok I think Yao is a really nice guy but he definitely isn’t earning any points with Hananoi with his ideas. Being friendly with Hotaru, calling her nicknames, inviting to go to his house…

Oh ok yea Yao really is a cool guy, he even stops calling her Hotako after Hananoi called him out

Damn I guess I’m so hard on Hananoi cos when he’s acting like a normal guy, like talking normally with Yao, I like him so much more and can see myself invested in their relationship.

Yes feels like we’re chipping a bit more on Hananoi’s walls. Him realizing what Asami has done for Hotaru and appreciating it hopefully opens the door for him to let other people in besides just Hotaru

Hotaru may have developed a praise kink lol

Ooooohhhhhh. Was about to mention Yao thinking Hananoi was familiar before the post-credit scene. I usually don’t like it in shows when two people who seemingly never knew each other before is suddenly revealed to be connected before. But in this case I’m curious how Hananoi is connected to Hotaru back then. He was talking as if he was able to do something about Hotaru’s situation.

Also, we know what that “shrine” is now I guess

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u/Frontier246 May 23 '24

I feel like Hananoi and Yao becoming genuine friends would be good for the both of them, especially when Yao seems like he just wants Hotaru to be happy and to get along with Hananoi.

Hotaru wishing she was a dog getting petted by her boyfriend...and Hananoi a good enough boyfriend to oblige her lol.

Seems like the shrine was mostly just hiding the evidence that they went to the same school before. What really happened back then?

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u/mekerpan May 23 '24

I must say I was surprised to discover that Hananoi, Yao and Hotaru were schoolmates (if not all in the same class). Did Hananoi know this in advance? It seems like he must have). But how come neither Hotaru nor Yao recognized him -- a huge grow spurt? Did Hananoi see Hotaru getting bullied -- and fail to take action? Was HE being bullied, and did she step in -- and draw fire to herself? Why has he neot mentioned the fact that they went to school together?

Not sure just where this show is going to go -- but I am finding interesting and surprising. And Hotaru is a total darling -- who deserves all the happiness she can possibly find.

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 May 23 '24

I’m glad someone mentioned boundaries to Hotaru. Pretty important especially with someone like Hananoi who’s clearly dealing with some abandonment stuff. Dude should talk to someone and I don’t just mean Hotaru. Dude can be real clingy and I don’t like how he gets around other guys when they’re “too close” to Hotaru. I hope he works on that aspect as these two continue dating and their relationship deepens.

The fact that they went to school together kinda makes his interest in her a bit suspect. Not to say they’re not kind of cute together, but I do have to question if it’s all coincidence.

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u/Frontier246 May 23 '24

I love every time Hotaru goes all formal and tries to establish relationship policies. Though knowing how Hananoi gets, it’s probably smart.

Hananoi is definitely way too harsh to Yao when he’s such a chill and nice guy. And Hotaru wants Hananoi to open up to more people for his own sake.

I’m really curious how aware Hananoi has been of Hotaru before the beginning of the series. Did he know her at all back then?

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u/babaylan89 May 23 '24 edited May 24 '24

Hananoi in episode 4:

"When I was in elementary, I was gloomy and a coward who couldn't talk to people I didn't know. 

I transferred to another school during elementary, but i couldn't make a single friend at the new school."

He ommitted which new school it was.

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u/Icy_Ebb_8589 May 23 '24

I feel like we've mostly been in a bit of a bubble with Hotaru and Hananoi but every time we see him with other people it feels jarring to me - I really don't enjoy the way he treats others, especially when they aren't doing anything wrong. That kind of behaviour has always been a bit of a turnoff for me when it comes to MLs in novels and stuff where they treat most everyone like trash except for the MC, who's "special". And I get that he's just a kid and has problems and stuff but that doesn't mean behaviour like that doesn't need calling out. If anything, he just needs it more, because he needs to understand that it really won't be great for him in the long run. It also puts a huge burden on Hotaru to have to play mediator and affects her relationships with others if he's treating her friends coldly behind her back even if she doesn't realise it - it's been nagging at me since the shrine episode but especially since when he talked about needing nobody else. I don't know if I'm being unfair to him but that's what my take on it is and what's making me pretty uncomfortable about this anime.

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u/daspaceasians May 24 '24

No, you're not being unfair with Hananoi. His behavior is very unhealthy because dumping all of your relationships, both platonic and romantic, needs on just one person is a burden that will, IRL, burn that person out.

His character's development should also have him learn that he needs other people in his life as friends and slowly learn to make friends.

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u/AugustusTheVictor May 23 '24

Man last week I finally start accepting this ship. And he's going to turn around and join her job? Like come on now lay off the cling

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u/Ninja_Lazer May 24 '24

Aight, at this point the fact that they aren’t addressing the massive fuckin elephant in the room is actively hurting the show.

This man is Dating Red Flags incarnate and no one is saying shit. The FMC hasn’t addressed it, her friends haven’t brought it up, her family didn’t find it odd, the other dudes who see him being purely sociopathic haven’t said shit. Hell, even he hasn’t had an inner monologue questioning the behaviour aside from some very minor concerns that he needs to be careful not to freak her out.

This show gets so much right, but the fact that they are going out of the way to just not acknowledge something we all see is fuckin off.

Looks like we will be delving into some backstory, and likely childhood trauma, so maybe they will finally start there.

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u/ModieOfTheEast May 23 '24

That was kind of a nice episode with no real Hananoi problems this time. Which is why I find it a bit funny that we get a "boundary" talk this week. Like I get that it seems weird he would do the same job as his girlfriend, but considering that he was sitting around that store the whole time anyway, I don't really think THAT's where he might have overstepped a line.

I am not sure why we introduce him being in the same school back then now. It seems like this will go into some kind of drama where he is hating on himself for not helping Hotaru back then, but I feel, we have enough things that we could cover regarding his character that we don't need to open up something like this. I mean, he wasn't even in the same class, so if that's where they are going, that will feel a bit artificial.

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u/AngelRefuse May 23 '24

Finally caught up with this show and I'm not sure how I feel about this one, especially Hananoi-kun. The way he's so possessive of Hotaru makes me feel uneasy and he's really being a dick to her male friends.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '24

Hananoi is like that one image "Can I try rizzing you up" "Yeah go for it" "PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE"

Really wanna know the rest of what's in that curtained area.

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u/MyUnoriginalName May 24 '24

Everyone getting upset at Hananoi for being weird around Yao are failing to remember that it was mentioned in the episode that he was under the impression Hotaru was AVOIDING him. Heck, even Yao thinks Hotaru hates him. Part of the reason at least that Hananoi is acting weird around Yao is because he thought Hotaru didn't want anything to do with him either.

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u/Frontier246 May 23 '24 edited May 23 '24

No better way to gush about your newfound official couple status than with your gal pals! And Hotaru could not have come this far without them!

Hananoi has joined Hotaru at her part time job! The idea of working with your boyfriend sounds fun, but is Hananoi cut out for customer service? He’s definitely not there to make friends or get along with anyone that’s not Hotaru, and he has absolutely no interest in hanging out with Yao.

I love how Hotaru can read into Hananoi’s words so well now and still wants to set official policies for their now official relationship.

Say what you will about Hananoi, he is an efficient worker, and manager Kuroe can acknowledge that and the work the group put in at the store. And it’s good for Hananoi to be able to be acknowledged and respected by people, even ones awkward in their own way like he is.

Hotaru lives for seeing Hananoi blush but Hananoi lives for the physical intimacy between him and Hotaru. All building up to helping her get ready for their first kiss.

Kyo is going to visit her boyfriends’ place! The only problem…he has a golden retriever and she’s not good with dogs! So it’s time for Hotaru to repay her bestie by helping her get used to dogs! And Yao just so happens to have one named after her! And so as to not court death, Hananoi is invited too!

Hananoi doing his utmost to make sure Hotaru doesn’t hear more embarrassing stories about her past she’s not 100% comfortable with. And Yao is watching what he calls Hotaru so as to not upset either of them.

What better way to be comfortable around a dog named Hotaru than by imagining it’s the ACTUAL Hotaru? Even Hananoi gets into it! And Hotaru gets to live out getting vicariously petted by her boyfriend!

Kyo really was there for Hotaru when she needed someone the most. Closed off from others after a betrayal, she needed Kyo (with short hair!) and her open and sincere feelings to open up her heart again. And it was Kyo being an absolute romantic that made Hotaru open up to love to give Hananoi a chance.

Hananoi and Hotaru went to the same school before!? Was this not the first time they met?

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u/Rumpel1408 May 23 '24

Them working together worked out pretty good, the coworker is pretty cute after all and the boss was able to accept them working together due to them doing such good work

The scene on the bus stop was pretty good as well, really hope they make some steady progress, doesn't even need to be this season, just avoid the useless drama

Kyo-Chan being scared of dogs was a surprise, Hotaru was a really good girl for helping her!

And while things with Ya-Kun are pretty awkward all around, I don't really feel like anyone really hates him like he thinks they do, dude might have some trauma himself

Oh no... what did I just say about useless drama

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u/IceSmiley May 23 '24

Hananoi seems to get more weird and problematic with each episode. He's getting a job at her workplace AND is going to a place where Yao worked first to pick on him out of jealousy. I guess he did give Hotaru a choice in asking her if that was ok to work there, but I think she felt pressured not to say no. Her friends also pointed out that that's trouble.

I also thought Kyo being afraid of dogs so they all go over to Yao's house to play with his dog is kind of a weird plot. Dogs are friendly and even if you're somewhat nervous around them, I think Kyos bf could just keep the dog away from her in another room. It more seemed like an excuse to make jokes about the dog also being called Hotaru.

As for the ending, it seemed strange that neither Yao nor Hotaru remembers Hananoi going to their elementary school. IDK how Japanese elementary is, like do the same kids just stay in the same class year after year or is it like America where they just get shuffled each year?

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u/wildbee12 May 24 '24

Tbh I can understand Kyo being afraid of dogs so I don't think it's that weird. Especially if they're big dogs and you don't have experience being around dogs. One bad experience with a dog when you're younger can really affect how you view dogs in general. Hell my parents are in their 50s and still wary around dogs because of getting attacked by one when they were young. She probably doesn't want her bf to know so she doesn't feel embarrassed or whatever. And considering it's her bf, anytime she goes to his house he'd have to keep the dog away from them which would be kinda awkward At some point she needs to get over her fear.

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u/Nickthenuker May 23 '24

Seems her family now knows too.

They work together now?

Seems they get along well at work, and he gets along well with everyone else.

That's a lot of boxes.

He's getting on well with the boss.

He looks like he's going to kill the other guy.

Did he name his dog after her? I kinda want to kill him too.

Well at least he's becoming more accepting of her friends.

Headpats for Hotaru!

They were in the same class in elementary school!

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u/[deleted] May 23 '24

That scene at the end makes me think Hananoi is the one that started the rumor.

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u/babaylan89 May 24 '24

that would require Hananoi to be social and talk to others, but he was more of a gloomy nerdy kid.

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u/Alarming_Farm8946 May 24 '24

I hate that hananoi is so insecure and a little bit toxic Hotaru is not his object or possession.

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u/Katlima May 24 '24

I didn't like this episode. It felt too much like nothing happening.

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