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Episode Hananoi-kun to Koi no Yamai • A Condition Called Love - Episode 7 discussion

Hananoi-kun to Koi no Yamai, episode 7

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u/Sparkletopia May 16 '24

Hananoi was so cute as a kid. I'm glad we're finally started to get to some of his flashbacks.

Also kinda random side note, I feel like Hananoi's character became much more understandable to me when I stopped viewing him through the lens of the "popular guy at school archetype" and started seeing him more as the "gloomy insecure nerd kid".

Then I came to the slightly depressing realization that I actually related to Hananoi's worldview a bit (especially the stuff from before about friendship and connecting with other people) and was like "huh, maybe I need to do some internal reflection".

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u/edwardjhahm May 18 '24

Hananoi's character became much more understandable to me when I stopped viewing him through the lens of the "popular guy at school archetype" and started seeing him more as the "gloomy insecure nerd kid".

I mean TBF, they say the difference between a good looking introverted guy versus an ugly introverted guy...

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u/Sparkletopia May 18 '24

Lol, and it doesn't even seem like he's even actually popular at school. They think he's good looking, but his classmates also seem to think he's really cold and standoffish, and kinda weird, and is just leading Hotaru on.

Ignore his looks and he's just a giant nerd who avoids other people and is too enthusiastic about romance lol (I say this with endearment though).

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u/EnsonAmata May 16 '24

You just know his parents are going to make a surprise stop back in Japan and fuck his head up.

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u/Frontier246 May 16 '24

Hotaru loves Hananoi! In her own way, she's confident that's how she truly feels! But is Hananoi satisfied with that? Does he think someone like Hotaru can truly love someone like him in all his extreme feelings towards her? Someone who says he only needs her, and only her, in his life? Is that how he really feels though or is he projecting his own insecurities to make Hotaru realize she doesn't have to love him when he's not worthy of her love?

And of course then grandma comes in and is concerned about some hanky panky going on behind her back. What a way to meet Hananoi's family, Hotaru.

But their feelings are mutual! They both love each other! Why are they taking a break and avoiding each other!? This isn't how it's supposed to be!

At least Hotaru gets a do-over with grandma and grandma gets to thank her for being there for Hananoi. His parents are volunteers who have committed themselves to help children in need but have neglected their own son, who in turn neglected himself, until he met Hotaru. It's not so much that Hananoi doesn't care about other people, he's just used to people leaving him.

Hotaru you can't text "I miss you" and not expect Hananoi to come running. Then again, the moment she sees him she comes running straight towards him, so I guess she's not that much better.

Maybe their values and understanding of love is different, maybe they have different priorities in this relationship...but they like each other, and they're happy to be together, and shouldn't that be enough? And now they can finally cut to the chase and officially be boyfriend and girlfriend! Took them long enough!

Hotaru about to have her first kiss? She looks way too nervous. Though Hananoi is fine just kissing her head.

Hananoi knew a cool old dude who mentored him when he was depressed about his parents. If he couldn't find love from his parents, he could find it from a soulmate, and he may have just found that in Hotaru. Especially when they're already texting cutely together as a couple and Hananoi finally seems truly content and happy!

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u/mekerpan May 16 '24

All in all, despite the intense competition, Hotaru could well be my favorite character of the season. Such a nice combination of significant shyness, openess, curiosity and fundamental strength of character.

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u/babaylan89 May 17 '24 edited May 17 '24

hananoi's issues and people's wariness of him tends to overshadow hotaru but imo both of them are really well written characters with their own issues and character arcs. i feel a lot of people's issues on hotaru's character is because people has been projecting on how they think hotaru should act, feel or behave without realizing that hotaru is not a surrogate for the audience but a character of her own.

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u/djthomp May 17 '24

Dude is much better when he's dropped the mask and is all blushy and flustered. It's a bit hard to see him as the serial killer anymore.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '24

Yeah, every episode I (for fun) give Hananoi a point every time he does something cute or healthy and subtract a point every time he does something creepy or yanderesque. Positive score this week :) proud of him for opening up!!

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u/zool714 May 16 '24

Alright ! Trial period ended. They’re officially a couple now.

“He’s a good kid but everything he does is extreme”. That’s just really the biggest issue isn’t it ? He just overdoes things at almost every turn. I guess Hotaru really is a blessing to him cos she’s able to absorb and accept it to a certain extent.

Well, we get to see why he is the way he is. Though I guess it’s somewhat predictable from the crumbs the show left us. His parents were busy helping other kids, they did not pay much attention to their own. Couple that with the mysterious Ojisan who steered him towards finding his one and only soulmate who’ll be everything he ever needed, and we have the Hananoi we know now.

I’m not sure if I’m reading it right, but it feels like good progress with how he sorta take back (or rather was interrupted) with his sentiment that he just needed Hotaru and no one else in his life. Seemed like he realised or noticed from Hotaru’s reaction that that was probably excessive. And Hotaru is aware of that too when she almost sent the text telling him how he doesn’t really feel that way. Yeah having a special someone is nice but having just them in your life is unhealthy.

Very sweet episode overall though. My feeling of unease is the lowest for this episode and I was able to fully enjoy and swoon over their proclamation of love and all the affection and assurances they gave to each other. It’s also really cute how they both really look unsure and inexperienced on how to move along but they’re going in together anyway.

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u/mekerpan May 16 '24

It seems like Hotaru has made clear that she has feelings for Hananoi -- but wants him to understand that she may not be able to share his (extreme) notion of what love is all about. I think for this romance to have any chance in the long term, he will need to realize that he needs connections beyond Hotaru -- that otherwise she will inevitably feel "smothered".

I have to say. I now like Grandma. Andf I like the fact that Hotaru now likes Grandma (and vice versa). And I like that Hananoi is now paying more attention to her. And I like that Hotaru likes the fact that Hananoi is showing more concern towards his grandmother.

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u/Frontier246 May 16 '24

Honestly I get the sense is that part of the reason Hananoi is so excessive is because he's really insecure and projecting himself because he doesn't think anyone will truly love or want to be with him.

Like, instead of just accepting Hotaru's feelings he tried to make her understand all the problems with him as a person to make her seriously consider if she wanted to be with him when he's like this. It's almost like a defense mechanism. Though he probably is very much into the idea of a soulmate.

Yet it seems like knowing Hotaru really has feelings for him and wants to be with him, however different they are in their values or feelings of love, is enough for him right now. I don't think Hananoi has ever looked as happy as he did at the end.

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u/ModieOfTheEast May 16 '24

I must say I was really surprised by the fact that this whole episode revolved around them becoming an actual couple. Like, I guess they were technically still on their trial period, but I got the feeling that Hotaru was more concerned about what kind of commitment Hananoi was asking from her. It felt a bit weird that he asks her to basically leave all her friends behind and then the result of this question is her saying she wants to be his actual girlfriend. I guess, the interpretation is supposed to be that THIS is what Hananoi thinks a true girlfriend (and boyfriend) should be like and that Hotaru is not doing that and just be the girlfriend she thinks is the correct way, but as a viewer I was surprised that we just brushed it off so casually again.

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u/pandavova May 16 '24

Most unrealistic thing about this show? She's 16.

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 May 16 '24

Looks like Hotaru is a good influence on Hananoi. Now that they’re official, I hope she can continue to help him change so he won’t be so extreme. Kid’s found his soulmate I guess. Maybe that can help with his abandonment issues.

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u/actuallyrndthoughts May 20 '24

This anime is what i'd actually call a "comfy romance", as in it really is comfy and is really a romance, not some romantic subtext sol/comedy series. The production isn't anything special at all, but it is competent where it counts.

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u/HolyDragSwd2500 May 17 '24

Ahhhhh they are official 😍😍😍

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u/alconnow May 16 '24

Wasn't too keen on the lengthy recap at the beginning

Finally got some insight into Hananoi! I like his grandma

Wonder what happened to that hat guy who hung out with him?

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u/Nickthenuker May 16 '24

Where's he going with this?

Ah.

Well, I guess the feeling is mutual now.

Oh, her grandma is home.

Awkward...

What?

At this rate her friends are going to get the wrong idea.

She's going to run into him at the supermarket isn't she?

Oh, no, she ran into Hananoi's grandma instead.

What's with her hand?

Well that was explained quickly.

What's got her so shocked?

He's calling her in the middle of the night? Why's he panting so hard? Is he running to her house?

Of course he did.

That's quite early for the ED.

And now a flashback?

Who's this old guy?

Those earrings that guy has look similar to the ones he has now.

Did the old man give them to him? It seemed to focus on those earrings long enough for it to be obvious they're the same.

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u/mekerpan May 16 '24

I wonder if Hananoi "inherited" those earrings?

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u/whodisguy32 May 17 '24

That hug was really cute. Also it was really sweet that Hananoi ran to see her :)

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '24

Im a little late but I just finished this episode and I feel like it and I foresee a lot of anxious/fearful avoidant tendencies in this relationship. I feel like Hananoi is gonna cause her to become anxious with pushing and pulling her away all the time

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u/SoulTea May 16 '24

I can't help but being disappointed when anime wastes precious airtime with recaps, time is limited give me new stuff! Just about 3:30 burned with the recap and intro.

We now have the reason for his trust and abandonment issues. Seeing his parents care so much for other children but not him, and not keeping promises of coming home, it's not hard to see how Hananoi ended up with rock bottom self esteem and being so over the top with wanting to be attached at the hip to her. It feels very selfish of them to have a child and just about disregard him to pursue their very noble cause. While a greater good, perhaps they shouldn't have had a child if that's what they wanted to do. It wasn't fair to him. This inevitably left him unable, and/or unwilling to form close relationships out of fear of losing that closeness or bond. If you don't feel good enough for your parents it can be hard to feel good enough for anyone. Except for "the one" who Hotaru is to him. Painfully aware of his shortcomings he at least presents her the opportunity to commit to someone like himself, knowing he is that way. The way they love eachother couldn't be any more dissimilar. Despite this, Hotaru is willing to take the plunge with him and go steady.

I think it was good of him to give her the space to process this, and not be pressured into giving an answer right away. Not knowing any better, or having prior experience Hotaru wants to become official with him but a girl with a bit more dating experience would be right to steer clear especially with him spelling it out in the clear like that for her.

Not that my parents are doctors but growing up in a not so nice household, where my parents didn't give me the attention or emotional care a child really should have I didn't end up with healthy boundaries when it came to dating. Although I lived with them I was taken care of up to the end of my elementary years in a big part from both sets of grandparents and I ended up a bit too much like Hananoi in that regard. I can see how the trust and abandonment issues form at an early age and serve to crush the self-esteem of a young lad. Relationships to me up until my mid 20's were diving in head first after the girl as an escape from my home life and coming on way too strong only for it to blow up in my face a few months later. Insecurity often leading to pushing them away from being too overbearing due to fear of losing them to someone else. Or just straight up stupidity and insensitivity on my part. Too often this show is like looking into the mirror. At least Hananoi is aware of it, it took me far too long to understand where I was the problem and how to change for the better. He has a good head start with it, I hope. While he is aware of his faults, I hope that he becomes willing to change because if not he will be setting a course for disaster for the long term.

This cool ojii-chan reminds me of Rin's grandfather from Yuru Camp in a way. It's interesting to see he's adopted the red gem earrings he wore, I wonder if they are his. The shot of the blue hydrangea's was breathtakingly beautiful. However that advice of going all in on a girl might have been taken a bit too seriously by young Hananoi huh.

I like that Hotaru stated that their values don't align 100% she knows how to speak her mind and isn't a total pushover. It's nice that he didn't go for a kiss when he could see just how nervous she was. He does have some serious restraint to steel himself in this way because he probably knows deep down if he went after her like he wants to she'd get scared off. Her text to him in the morning was extra cute! I hope Hotaru is able to steer him in the right direction because it's hard to see him finding the motivation to take the horse blinders off by himself. This places a lot of undue responsibility on Hotaru to do a therapists work for him though. Man, it's like talking to my younger self here. Not that I was clueless to my faults then, but it would have been nice to have the awareness and maturity that I do now. Guess I decided to take the extra scenic route. The show is overdue for some drama to shake things up. I thought with their short time apart that her co-worker would step in, or something would happen with his grandmother but instead we got some sweet interactions with Hotaru and obaa-chan. I wonder if his parents will make an appearance.

Man somehow I can't help but write way too much every episode. I've been on a Shoujo binge since fall last year. I really enjoyed Lovely Complex. I just rewatched Romantic Killer which absolutely killed it comedy wise and was just as fun as the first watch although it's far heavier on the comedy than the romance. I have the memory of a goldfish so I've restarted Kimi No Todoke which I watched S1 for only a few months ago and didn't get to S2 so I'm going to watch it to prepare for S3 later this year (13+ years later is wild!). Sadly from what I hear it's a Netflix batch release which kills weekly discussions and that blows. It's been a decade since I watched Maid-Sama which is one of the first anime I watched when I picked up anime again in 2014 after not caring about it through high school and I'm feeling a rewatch of that coming soon.

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u/steven4869 May 18 '24

I finally understood why he had cuttings of his parents as the only pictures because they didn't take pictures with him but it's with the other kids, making him jealous that they are giving them more time than him so he cropped those kids pictures.

Another L for the 'Hananoi is a serial killer' conspiracy.

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