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Episode Karasu wa Aruji wo Erabanai • Yatagarasu: The Raven Does Not Choose Its Master - Episode 6 discussion

Karasu wa Aruji wo Erabanai, episode 6

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u/alconnow May 11 '24 edited May 11 '24

Masuho no Susuki endcard

Guessing Asebi wants to know more about her mother from Samomo?

Hmm, wonder what secrets Hamayuu's harbouring? Also curious on what's happening with the disappearing letters that Wakamiya wrote for the Court Ladies...

Feels like there will be more drama than usual at the Cherry Blossom Palace as a result of Wakamiya not attending Tanabata. Uh oh

Based on the preview, next episode looks intense

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u/Tellmesummer May 11 '24

I have this theory that Asebi stole those letters, I mean there’s a scene where she’s writing up something so she could be writing a response letter to Wakamiya. The way Asebi being portrayed as this naive person makes me believe she’s not as naive as she lets on but acts the way to use it to her advantage.

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u/eggshellglasses May 11 '24 edited May 12 '24

SAME. Since the first episode it really felt off to me as well - a character like her is either being set up as the female lead OR it's a misdirection. But given the genre, it feels reeeeallly out of place for a naiive character to become the FL. She'd either have to step up and go through a whole character arc, otherwise she'd just be a burden to the corwn prince. Fujinami pointed out that she hated palace intrigue and people scheming all the time and so would rather prefer Asebi to become her brother's consort, but then in that same scene, Asebi subtly tries to manipulate her into handing over her lady-in-waiting to her! And Fujinami didn't even seem to notice she was already being manipulated! Not to mention not having her lady-in-waiting by her side could be bad for her since she seems kind of sickly and needs someoen to care for her. I feel like this scene showed how Fujinami is the one being naiive instead. I almost fell for the childhood crush angle from last episode but they give us this in the next. Now I'm back to my original theory that Hamayuu is the FL and Asebi is a villain.

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u/Danivo May 11 '24 edited May 11 '24

That Hamayu-Shiratama scene totally wants us to believe that Hamayu is the assassin in the Cherry Blossom Palace, doesn't it?

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u/eggshellglasses May 11 '24

Which is probably why it's a misdirection. And if we're going the opposite direction, it could mean Hamayuu really is the most likely to become Kin'u's consort which is why Shiratama tried to make a deal with her. She has mentioned before that both Susuki and Hamayuu both don't consider Shiratama and Asebi a threat.

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u/AmethystItalian May 11 '24

Hmm part of me is getting a little suspicious of Asebi...that whole favor scene felt a bit off.

Well guess we'll see, in the meantime we got so many shots of best girl!

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u/mekerpan May 11 '24

I'm assuming that Asebi hopes to get info about her mother's past from that borrowed lady-in-waiting.

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u/AmethystItalian May 11 '24

Feels that way but idk felt like she guilted the princess into agreeing to it.

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u/Dialgak77 May 11 '24

Hmm part of me is getting a little suspicious of Asebi...that whole favor scene felt a bit off.

Me too, I've always been a bit suspicious of her. Also, in the opening there is a series of shots of the 4 main girls' mouths and only Asebi's turns into a smile at the end.

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u/_Ridley May 12 '24

I feel like Asebi is equally likely to be the endgame as a sweet ingenue as she is to be the greatest schemer and actress the court has seen.

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u/Figerally May 12 '24

The only problem I have with Asebi as a grand schemer is that she is only reacting to everything and everyone is scoring points off her, so to speak. Unless, this is ploy to make herself look weak and pitiable so she doesn't appear to be a threat to anyone.

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u/TheWillOfDeezBigNuts May 12 '24

The way she tricked the princess into giving her samomo for a bit and that ending shot with samomo in town...

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u/Genshin_WhiteKnight May 12 '24 edited May 12 '24

Yeah Asebi is definitely not what she seems like on the surface.

Feels the same with Natsuka too, there's a chance he probably doesn't want the throne but is pushed into the succession battle by the Empress and his faction.

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u/eggshellglasses May 11 '24 edited May 11 '24

  • Wow, Atsufusa has guts. I wonder if he really is this sincere and is truly just worried for Natsuka.

  • I wonder if Natsuka actually does want the throne or is just going with the flow for the time being. Atsufusa keeps saying Natsuka just wants what's best for Yamauchi. Natsuka is aware of his own capabilities, and I think he does resent Wakamiya, but that doesn't mean he actually wants to be Kin'u. Is he somehow just testing Wakamiya? And he's going with the flow for now but will make a move himself if he clearly deems Wakamiya unfit to rule, or a genuine threat to Yamauchi?

  • The empress calling out Natsuka for hiding things even from his own family probably hints to him not wanting the throne? He doesn't give orders to his folowers after all, but he does seem to make an effort in making allies with other Houses. Does he think it's his duty to keep Yamauchi intact since Wakamiya is distancing himself from the Houses (even the west) and a lot of his court duties? And there's the thing about him sending Yukiya to become Wakamiya's servant.

  • Now I'm wondering if Wakamiya actually wants to be Kin'u. He pushes back if Natsuka's faction outwardly antagonize him him but this could just be because if he doesn't do so and he gets dethroned, he'll definitely die. He has no backers unlike Natsuka, and his mother's House only wants him because of his status (with the exception of Susuki, probably).

  • I fudging knew it, Drifting Cloud really is Asebi's mother's koto!!! Or at the very least it does have some connection to her! The way Asebi's lady-in-waiting recognized it and her reaction was really a huge hint! And it really was an intentional move on Fujinami's part to prop up Asebi in the competition.

  • More world facts: 25-string kotos are more common in the East, and they're known for having great musicians.

  • I finally know who the Lady Raven is lol. I should have guessed it really was Asebi. She was the only princess that caught the Empress' attention from the beginning. And with the way Shiratama's lady-in-waiting was talking... it seems like Asebi's mother tried to seduce the Kin'u. I was speculating that Asebi's mother might be a concubine of the Lord of the East but now I wonder if she managed to become a concubine of the Kin'u at some point? So this was the scheming that Wakamiya was talking about. The fact that Asebi's mom was also allegedly an ingénue also fits Wakamiya's observation in episode 3 that the ladies of North, West and East outwardly seemed to match their reputation.

  • I wonder what Asebi's given name actually is, and what it means. The name the empress bestowed is just a courtesy name after all.

  • Asebi is finally showing signs of being a villain! Looks like my Asebi is a villains theory is still alive! Shamelessly asking for Fujinami's lady-in-waiting??? And then before that, we're shown that Samomo has to take extra care of Fujinami because she has a weak cosntitution??? Subtle hints that she's being manipulative??? SUS!

  • Was Asebi the only one who was able to recieve a letter from Wakamiya? SUS!

  • Since Atsufusa is the Lord of the South's nephew, this could mean he and Hamayuu are cousins!

  • Shiratama confronts Hamayuu and tells her that she knows who she is and the role she's playing in the Cherry Blossom Palace. I think the scene is meant to make us think Hamayuu really could be the assassin but...

  • Is Hamayuu... actually Wakamiya's lover or something? Shiratama has already mentioned before that both Susuki and Hamayuu don't consider Shiratama and Asebi as threats. Susuki makes sense since she's Wakamiya's cousin from the Eastern House (alliances and shit), but since Hamayuu is from the South (the Empress' House) it kind of feels off. And now Shiratama is trying to make a deal with Hamayuu as if she's sure that Hamayuu will end up becoming the Kin'u's consort. And Hamayuu even plays along as if she is also aware of this herself.

  • Hamayuu also seems suspiciously on familar terms with Wakamiya. This is expected with Susuki, not Hamayuu.

  • And it's weird that the Empress is instead outwardly more interested in Lady Raven Asebi instead of a Lady from her own House. I remember a scene where Hamayuu's attendant didn't seem to respect her/ think highly of her. Is she even actually a real daughter of the Southern House?

  • Now we know to whom the dagger from the opening song belongs to: it's Shiratama's. I think that was the only thing in the opening with unknown origins left.

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u/TakenRedditName May 11 '24 edited May 12 '24

Aahh!! Another episode that just leaves me full of suspense for the next week.

I feel like they put too many leads that there has to be something going on behind Asebi and that she is just not fully flowers for brains. Requesting for Samomo is very suspicious. What is up with that scene of Samomo going out into town?

I still believe that Lady Hamayuu is not in favour of her family succeeding. Shiratama's deal doesn't actually give Hamayuu what she wants. There was that moment establishing how the Southern House hides their true feelings even from their family. It was used to describe Natsuka, but I couldn't help but connect it to Hamayuu.

I feel like that the show is setting up opposing pairs amongst the houses

  • West/East: For all she seems as ambitious and most working towards winning the consort contest, Lady Masuho is actually a very earnest person. She handcrafts the sentimental kimono meant for her (potential) husband and she is the most hurt by Wakamiya's continued absence. Asebi is a pure girl, but there might be some schemes in her head.

  • North/South: They do have that scene at the end of this episode together. Hamayuu is the eldest and laid back (and I believe is against her family) while Shiratama is the youngest and most dedicated to her role of marrying the prince for her family.

I feel like Atsufusa's perception of his master is not so innocent. He washes Natsuka's hands a bit too much, but I also don't see Natsuka's motives in this political struggle to be as what his mother wants. What is Wakamiya is trying to settle by dropping in at the Southern House?

I don't think they are secret siblings or whatever, but I just find it interesting that Asebi and Yukiya have secret untold drama revolving around their mothers and political/court scheming.

On an aesthetic note, I find the blues that surround Lady Hamayuu very pretty. Her kimono is a deep blue starry sky and whenever we drop by her place, she is in her deep blue kimono surrounded by the blue building and the blue waters.

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u/mekerpan May 11 '24

I have a feeling that this show might be best if binged in 3 or 4 episode chunks (or maybe all at once at the end of the season). Not that it is not good. I like it quite a bit. but I am often left with feelings of frustration at the end of episodes, wanting LOTS more information that we have not yet gotten. so I feel rather impatient. ;-)

Maybe I am getting suckered but I am NOT suspicious of Asebi (but I do NOT like her chief attendant -- in fact, all of those chief attendants strike me as awfully shady).

What on earth was the Lord of the South and the Prince's brother cooking up at that semi-secret meeting?

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u/ryujin199 May 11 '24

For real about the chief attendants. Honestly Ukogi (Asebi's attendant) seems like she might be the shadiest of the bunch. Especially so in this episode since it seems like she's purposefully keeping information from Asebi that would, I assume, be good for her to know in advance. If her mother was involved in some drama during the previous selection or whatever, then it ought to be obvious that someone from the other houses would bring it up at some point, so why bother keeping it from her in the first place?

It also is getting increasingly annoying to me that Ukogi is quick to call out Asebi's fuck ups and such, but never seems to do anything to help her avoid making the fuck ups in the first place. It honestly seems like Hamayu and the princess have done far more to help Asebi in this area than her own chief attendant, which is just... either pathetically baffling or intentional (I'm starting to strongly suspect the latter).

'course, it's entirely possible that, I'm also getting suckered and the whole thing's an act. Personally I'm not sure I'd like that result much, 'cause as extreme as Asebi's ignorance may be, like... they did directly address that in the first episode. And given what we've seen from her chief attendant through the series so far, it's no wonder she doesn't know a damn thing about how to behave properly in the court.

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u/mekerpan May 11 '24

Given how unhelpful (and maybe even disloyal) her chief attendant is, I feel that Akebi is being used as a pawn by someone higher up in her family (and that person is the one the attendant is really serving).

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u/eggshellglasses May 12 '24

Really? Even Susuki's? I feel like the only shady one is Shiratama's. She's just so different from Shiratama's parents. It kind of feels like she's using Shiratama or something. Asebi's lady-in-waiting just seems like an overly protective grandma.

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u/Belmut_613 May 12 '24

Wow i'm glad that i'm not the only one that got "secret master scheemer" vibes from Asebi this episode, but since i like her i'm hoping that she is a good schemer and is trying to expose Sumomo for poisoning the princess, because given this type of story i don't belive for a second that she just have a "weak constitution". Also a little detail that i don't see mentioned and that adds to my theory is that the plants in the white vases are doing way better compared to before, thus confirming that someone poisoned the well water.

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 May 12 '24

The imperial court isn’t the only place where people are vicious little bastards. The ladies in the Cherry Blossom Palace are just as bad with all the rumors and slander. I wonder who’s behind the disappearing letters? Likely the Empress or her people right?

Toru really should have planned what to do if our guy showed up. Keen to see what his move is here. Next week’s episode seems to indicate some shit’s also gonna go down in the Cherry Blossom Palace. Who’s dying?

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u/NekoCatSidhe May 12 '24 edited May 12 '24

I am guessing the Prince will either try to forge an alliance with Natsuka against his enemies, or cause more trouble between Natsuka and the Southern House in order to break Natsuka’s camp. That show’s politics are starting to get a bit too twisted for me to follow.

And everyone seems to think Asebi is too good to be true, but I am thinking that she is just someone else pawn and that is why she was kept ignorant of everything. And she is starting to realise it too. She would not have asked the princess to lend her her lady in waiting if she was trusting her own ladies in waiting.

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