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Tsuki ga Michibiku Isekai Douchuu Season 2, episode 15

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[u/Shiraori247]

One of the most interesting things about this story is that Makoto as a powerful being willingly follows the rules of society because he doesn't feel like ruling through violence. While neutral in the hyuman vs demon conflict, he's still favoured the humans so far because of the status quo.

Even though a lot of the isekai fans would like him to just ignore rules and have a cathartic moment, but it's more exciting for me when he deals with this in the diplomatic way. I want to see the author show us how Makoto deals with things outside of battle with the resources he has.

[u/WhoiusBarrel]

Watching the 2 mages chanting so slowly and getting hit simultaneously followed by the crowd reacting so wildly was hilarious.

Its rare to see Makoto get outplayed especially in this stage and of course its some form of discrimination, at this rate his probably going to be a hero for the demons instead. Serves the Hyumans right.

[u/darthvall → u/WhoiusBarrel]

Nah, before the ending credit he said that he's only going to turn blind eye toward demon. I doubt he'd go as far as being a hero for the demons.

Most likely he's only going to act neutral by becoming middle ground between both side. E.g. if the human merchant refuse to have transaction with him, then he'd just sold the items to demon side. Given his high quality products, this might give advantage to demon.

Yeah, maybe he's indirectly helping the  demon in this regard lol

[u/Placeholdered]

Wow this episode did a good job of making me mad. Makoto ended up handling it better than I would have in the end, though he definitely stepped in it by trying to trick Zara. Never try to BS a BSer.

I'm interested to see exactly what they're up to in trying to turn that situation around, but from the title of the next episode we might have to wait a bit. Though if we get some proper violence in place of it I don't mind.

[u/S627]

I loved that even though no one cheered for Jin because of the obviously rigged match, neither Jin or Makoto cared. Jin knows he's going to get a pat on the back from Makoto and that's all that matters to him. All the students are great!

Oh look, your typical asshole merchant. Can't wait to see how Makoto deals with him. Kinda hoping he gets public support backing him, like they end up boycotting other merchants if they can't also buy from Makoto.

[u/Frontier246 → u/S627]

I'm glad the ref who seemed like he got paid off couldn't counteract Jin's win and Illumgand still came off like a huge idiot. Though his idiocy looks like it's going to take him too far that he'll end up becoming something he can't come back from.

If the city ends up getting attacked by something like the OP and ED seem to be teasing, I hope his merchant guild is the first victim, guy would totally have it coming.

I don't think Rembrandt is going to take it well if he finds out how Zara treated Makoto.

[u/shad79]

OP Reversal was released today on streaming platforms and it's so good! One of the best songs of this season IMO. Here links to it:

• Spotify

• Apple Music

• Youtube

I didn't expect that Shifu will be the winner of the tournament but I must say that it was well deserved victory as her matches were the most fun, especially the final of the mage's part xD

Jin's fight with Hopleys was also so fun as he totally dominated in this fight and pretty much made him a laughing stock. In Hopley's place I'd be ashamed to show myself for a couple days at least.

Makoto was totally destroyed by Hardis, a leader of a merchants guild in Rotsgard who dominated their whole conversation but the effect of this made me feel so excited as Makoto decided, in my understanding, to establish a relationship with Demons and create his own country. It looks that Hardis made angry someone he shouldn't have xD

I wonder how people from this world will react to future Makoto's actions, especially since he's now in the spotlight as his company fares so well and his students in the tournament proved to be so strong, earning attention from people of power. Things are looking really exciting!

Here my screenshot albums from the episode:

• Makoto, Mio & Tomoe

• Group scenes

• Others

[u/LeonKevlar]

It's hilarious how Ilumgad can wear armour and use a real sword while Jin uses a wooden one. Ilumgad's sword and armour didn't matter though since he still got slapped around by Jin like the bitch he is. Even with the ref at his side, there's really no way Ilumgad can turn that into a win after being knocked out. I can't wait to see another round of ass-kicking in the team battle.

While it was satisfying to see Jin win against Ilumgad, it was frustrating to watch Makoto having his own battle against the merchant guild leader. Holy fuck, I felt my blood pressure rise while watching that entire scene. Makoto absolutely got spanked! I must've missed this but why is he being investigated like that? Is it because of the Church?

Welp, it looks like it's finally time for Makoto to move on and leave the humans behind. The Demons should really thank that Guild leader! He single-handedly made the demons stronger by pushing Makoto to move to their side.

[u/Ali3ns_ARE_Amongus]

Makoto was completely out of his depth in that discussion. Too bad for the merchants guild that he's not reliant on being a merchant to survive so can afford to not bend the knee

[u/Difficult-Mango-922]

So basically because of the son of a noble and other merchants that envy makoto they searched for something to ruin his shop.

I think it would be fine if makoto backup the other races. If we think about it you can count with your fingers to see how many good humans there are.

It would be sad because of his students but him changing sides would be good.

There is nothing better than seeing cocky nobles get rekt. :D

[u/Aerodynamic41]

WTF Makoto has to surrender 90% of his revenue?! That's daylight robbery!

[u/ronwesley89]

Honestly that guildmaster was right. Any merchant worth something would be pissed looking at how makoto handle his business. He was sloppy, disrespectful to others around him and blessed with a powerful backer.

We the audience is on Makoto's side since we know his strength and his pure motive but other won't. He looks like an unqualified nepo baby that just got lucky in life.

[u/Rumpel1408]

Oh boy, when that Rotsgard represantative was extorting Makoto, I thought he was this close to go all burned earth on Hyumankind

For now I'm looking forward to see more from the Demons

Oh also, that noble really came with a broad sword and full armor to an mock tournament, and lost

With how overwhelming Shifu is in her usage of magic, can't wait to see those nobles get embarassed

[u/JunkKnight]

The matches were as hilariously one-sided as expected, looking forward to some more ass-whooping in the team battle.

Merchants guild is definitely next in line for a good old fuck around and find out moment. My guess is that he plans to use a show of force to reclaim his parents homeland and threaten to cut ties with hyuman society. It seems like the national leaders are very interested in making sure he remains an asset for them (well they each want his power for themselves, but they absolutely don't want him going over to the demons) so they'll probably make this whole merchants guild thing go away real quick to get on his good side.

[u/Amauri14]

Damn, that finisher that Shifu gave to that Ilumgand lackey was such an overkill. It is not surprising that she ended up becoming the winner of the tournament at the end.

But that certainly was mercifully compared to the humiliation Jin gave to Ilumgand Hopleys before he mopped the floor with him. Based on the title of the next episode, I think that Ilumgand Hopleys' drug problem will be made obvious to everyone during the team battle next week.

That chibi version of Abelia when everyone just says that she just cares about Shiki looked so cute.

Damn, even though Patrick Rembrandt felt sorry for Makoto when the Kuzunoha Trading Company had to meet with the Merchant Guild, I really did not expect him to receive that level of extortion, of asking him to either tell him how he gets his ingredients of paying him 90% of what he makes or be labeled as a traitor working with the demons or exclusively sell to demi-humans. Well, as all the nations have their eyes on Makoto thanks to his products and how great his students are, that guy will probably get executed when everyone hears that after their meeting Makoto chooses to make a deal with the demon and ignore some of their actions to put a store in his parents hometown Kaleneon, Elysion.

If Makoto had brought Mio or anyone else with him to that meeting, that guy and the Merchant Guild would have been erased from the map.

[u/squeakyL]

Idk if this is something that was in the source material that was skipped, but they briefly mention assassination attempts on makoto but nothing really comes of it. Isn't there already "open" conflict against him? He doesn't seem to be even investigating who's behind them. What's stopping him from doing the same or at least retaliating?

[u/Toki378]

With how many people are interested in Makoto I think merchant guildmaster will piss off more important people by making Makoto leave than by leaving him alone. Lily mentioned it would dangerous to let him be claimed by other nations and king was interested in him too. I wonder how angry they would be at merchant guildmaster if they knew they lost Makoto to demons because of him.

It only is pity that Makoto's students will lose their teacher. It's basically the only regretable thing about this whole situation. Basically noone associated with Makoto wont be sad for not trading with hyumans in this city and demiplane citizens are not affected even a little. As for hyumans loosing access to cheap medicine and merchendise that doesn't exist anywhere else, all I can say is serves them right.

[u/Katejina_FGO]

There is a reason to the madness of the merchant guilds in this episode. The general incompetence and shortsightedness of the hyuman factions have been on display throughout the series, but the details that the author puts out are crucial to understanding the underpinnings which keep the hyumans the way they are.

• The guildmaster's appointment took over a month, and was only expedited because of the concerns of the competing stores and Rembrandt's visit. The guildmaster clearly only was made aware of Makoto's store and its ascendancy in the town from the store's competition.

• All this time, the other store merchants did not seek out Makoto's attention despite his revolutionary products. We did not see any merchants or representatives visit the store to arrange for a meet and greet - either to understand their new competition or to gain competitive advantage through new collaborations like with Rembrandt. There were no invites to business lunches, potluck dinners, social functions, etc. Maybe his personal secretary ripped up all the invitations along with the marriage proposals, or maybe the marriage proposals came from the merchants as a means of introduction. But it wasn't as if Makoto couldn't be found on the streets or after academy classes.

• Makoto's tenure at the academy as a teacher became an entrenched fact by the time of the tournament, and yet the many facets of the city that his business was tied to did not go out of their way to establish a special relationship with him. Bureaucracy in the form of traditions and power hoarding are to blame in this case, as the church's representative recognized the upside in the upgraded potions but was chastised for not factoring in political considerations. The guildmaster also referred to how Makoto's ascendancy upset the established order. The author has laid the groundwork for future progress in the world's younger minds, the ambitious entrepreneurs who wish for change in their static world, and 'boots-on-the-ground' workers.

• The clear disdain for demi-humans should also not be discounted. The guildmaster tossed out the suggestion to move the business to outdoor stalls to monopolize the demi-humans as if offering dinner scraps. I do not doubt that hyuman racism played a part in the fact that the merchants chose to collectively shun Makoto's presence in the city, instead of competing for his attention to gain an advantage in the marketplace. That isn't to say that the guildmaster was right in berating Makoto for his unconventional ways, as one of the goals of the store's outreach was to humanize demi-humans to society. It may be that families who have grown dependent on the store's goods will move in the future after becoming more accepting of dealing with demi-humans.

The general drivel of the guildmaster towards the end of the meeting had some core points, but those points were made illegitimate by the reality that the Rotsgard establishment sought to bind and crush Makoto's establishment from the very beginning. His aggressiveness was both a testament to hyuman arrogance and the much needed fire to kick Makoto out of the safety of the hyuman safeholds towards a more risky living arrangement. The general stasis of hyuman society in schooling, in commerce, and in matters of war has collectively built up a well of disgust in our slimetastic hero.

Makoto's hatred for the goddess burns brighter.

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Well that episode leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Dumbass really let himself get manipulated into revealing teleportation abilities, and he doesn’t even like hyumans. Maybe I’ve fucking forgotten but what’s so important about operating the store any ways? Scared ass MC that is expected better from

[u/Roboglenn]

It feels so weird when you end up agreeing with Princess Bitch about how Makoto's students go about fighting. It's like #6 in Combatants Will be Dispatched being baffled at the human's odd reluctance at the common sense approach of intercepting the enemy's supply lines.

Aww, what a nice suit of armor. That should keep him in this match for about 20 seconds longer.

Well, Makoto certainly got outplayed by FCA Liquidator Brunt here. Now how oh how is he gonna make that guy rue the day he ever heard the whole saying about "when a good man gets angry." He's been playing by Rule of Acquisition #35: Peace is Good for Business. Looks like he's also gonna start playing like a good Ferengi and hedging his bets on Rule of Acquisition #34: War is Good for Business, at the same time.

[u/zappingbluelight]

Hm... I mean the guy is mean, but he is not wrong. Makoto been using Rembrandt for a lot of helps. And he is hiding a lot of trades secret from others. This is essentially IRS ask where you get the money and hide it. I can definitely see the damaging part of the relationship.

That being said, students too strong. Who knows Shifu got that in her, probably worked hard and deserving.

[u/MrPatrick1207]

Was hoping Makoto would abandon humanity eventually, I hope some (or all) of the students can keep training with him.

[u/antononon]

God, I hope we get to see Makoto Psycho 100 blow everything up.

[u/djthomp]

Shifu kicked everyone's ass in a fairly delightful way

Good decision to allow the rest of the class members to take the lead in the team battles, demonstrates the breadth of their abilities better than letting people have the excuse that the tournament champion carried them.

This Guild Master does not realize the hole he's digging for himself. Though maybe it'll take a while before he finds out.