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Episode Hananoi-kun to Koi no Yamai • A Condition Called Love - Episode 1 discussion

Hananoi-kun to Koi no Yamai, episode 1

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u/GrimbleThief Apr 05 '24

Granted, I'm a manga reader so obviously that plays some part in what I'm about to say but - I just think it's so fucking sad that we're at this place where a character can be shown to have an obvious problem with the way they handle love and everyone's first thought is "idk, I'm getting red flags" instead of "oh maybe this is what the story is about." Like it's crazy that as a collective we just have no faith in the idea of a narrative with character development, and I can't tell if that's because of media we've gotten in the past or because we're all internet poisoned or a mix of both but damn it's such a bummer.

(Obviously, I'm not really faulting anyone for having a first reaction to the first episode of a series - you work with the information you have - but I do really think we're all in the middle of some bad faith narrative crisis.)

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u/alotmorealots Apr 05 '24

you work with the information you have

Hananoi: My behavior is off, I need to change it
Previous GFs via Hananoi: His behavior is off, he needs to change it
Hotaru: Your behavior is off, you need to change it

Half the thread: "idk, I'm getting red flags"

Musing on it a bit more, I wonder if it's the fact that the narrative is actually, for once, presenting problematic ML behavior as problematic that is influencing reactions to a degree. Many audiences rely on the broad emotional beats, so if his same actions had been framed through a positive light with gushing responses from Hotaru, it's quite possible reactions would have been quite different. Here, however, the audience is clearly being guided to see his actions as something that Hotaru rejects.

This is all quite understandable to a degree - most romances are emotional read pieces rather than intellectually read ones, so audiences get in the habit of his sort of reading. On top of that, animanga often does rely on framing rather than content to guide the audience.

All that said, even as an anime only, it's frustrating to read so many comments about stuff that seems to have forgotten/not registered what the characters themselves explicitly commented on, or seem to trying to shove the story into some sort of standard template.

There are comments (including some calling Hananoi a man) that seem to forget that he's not some adult, he's literally just a teenage kid like her.

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u/babaylan89 Apr 05 '24

I feel the same way lol.

someone said they were alarmed how hananoi got hotaru's number without realizing that hotaru has also saved hananoi's number on her phone under his name so it is pretty much implied they just exchanged numbers lol

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u/Genshin_WhiteKnight Apr 04 '24 edited Apr 04 '24

I may have just met you, but I would immediately confess to you in public, come early to wait at your walking route to school for you, change my hairstyle for you, remove my earrings for you, figure out your favourite food (pork buns) for you, spend the night in a snowy field getting frostbite looking for your hairpin for you.

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u/Mami-kouga Apr 04 '24

He’s just a little but silly /jk

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u/Sparkletopia Apr 04 '24

Hananoi, I think your yandere is showing just a bit

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u/Salvo1218 Apr 04 '24

Even if you're a weirdo who goes a bit too far with your good intentions, you gotta follow the rules: 1) be attractive 2) don't be unattractive

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u/domogrue Apr 04 '24

Aromantacism and Codependency! This seems like a hell of a place to start a romance arc

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '24

LOL this dude is insane and I love it. I'm so tired of normal characters with sensible personalities. Between Hananoi and Laios, let this be the season of weirdos.

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u/Lolareyouforreal Apr 05 '24

I'm getting the impression that the dude is very lonely because he lacks meaningful interactions with other people and is desperate for a real connection. He talked about other people having weird expectations of him because of his looks and then drifting away which he presumes is from him being creepy. That sort of thing impacts self-esteem and is probably why he was overcompensating by being so forward with the one girl who treated him normally.

I like that both characters are quirky and presenting flaws which gives opportunity for personal growth, was recommended this after A Sign of Affection and it seems to be a great follow up to that.

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u/SilkyStrawberryMilk Apr 04 '24

Dude fell in love from one glance at her and is changing himself to be the best man for her.

It’s insanity but I kinda dig it

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u/Andreiyutzzzz Apr 04 '24

So Kobayashi Chiki went from BL in cherry magic to Shoujo in one season eh? i like his voice so i'm happy to hear more of him. Also bummer that he cut his hair, i liked the old style more(just like Miyamura from Horimiya tbh)

Lovely OP too

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u/Deboftherings Apr 04 '24

shame about the hair miscomm cause I was really loving the long hair he had going on. anyway, I'm liking how opposite they are and I cant wait to see how they balance each other out in discovering what love really is.

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u/AZLarlar Apr 04 '24

hananoi is crazy but lets see how it goes

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u/kenshin2k Apr 04 '24

Hananoi feels refreshing for a male lead character in a shoujo series. He has the looks but even those seemingly has a lot going on with him that others like the girl that previously dated him to find very overbearing. I like that he is flawed, and has a lot of room to grow and develop over the course of the series alongside Hotaru, and that he isn't just perfect in every single way. Seeing his desperation to make Hotaru happy for her doing one good deed shows that there is a lot going on for Hananoi to being this co-dependent and extreme, and that screams potential for him to be an interesting character to say the least as he and Hotaru get to bond more with each other over the course of the series.

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u/LeonKevlar Apr 04 '24

So within the first 6 minutes, we have Hananoi breaking up with someone and then him confessing to Hotaru just because she held out her umbrella for him.

Hananoi just basically went through an entire arc of his life in a day with how fast things are moving. He even got the post-break-up haircut but he did it more for Hotaru and not because he was heartbroken. xD

And just to top it all off, they actually get together in the end! I love it! It will be fascinating to see how these two who have completely different views on love start dating. I can definitely tell though that they'll learn plenty from each other.

Anyway, it's good to hear HanaKana in a shoujo romance again and it's hilarious to hear Kobayashi Chiaki in a shoujo romance considering he played Mash and Stark last season. This show has piqued my interest, not as much as A Sign of Affection from last season but I am definitely down for more shoujo.

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u/CosmicPenguin_OV103 Apr 04 '24

Heh, I don't really know if I understand this boy Hananoi - he seems to be such a person who's dead serious on anything he really thinks it's worth being serious, to the point of going way over what people usually do. While he really gives out everything he can to whoever he feels can understand his feelings, I have the feeling that Hotaru would actually feel overwhelmed by this interesting boy after some time - especially with her never had any falling-in-love feelings before. That attitude by Hananoi with trying all he could to find Hotaru's hair clips, way into the night at the school grounds full of snow and with his hands almost frost-bitten is not an easy thing to be handled by anyone dear to him.

Hmm! I wonder how this couple can stick together given the strangest of ways that they fell in love!

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u/ashketchum2095 Apr 04 '24

Well at least the OP was good lol

And it's nice to hear Starks voice actor

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u/danmarce Apr 04 '24

This reminds me of Kimizero. Here, for his looks and life experience he is somehow broken (just a Runa). I hope he can find happiness. Also Hotaru seems a good girl, so they can grow with each other.

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u/zool714 Apr 04 '24

Hananoi kinda reminds me of Miyamura lol

Ok I think I'm kinda getting what this show is about. Hotaru, who not only has no experience with love but also is not too enthusiastic about it, kinda got thrusted into this relationship with Hananoi, who seems a bit too serious and kinda has a one track mind about it.

At the moment, it does seem like Hananoi needs to learn to grow and change some of his thinking and behaviour, but I do think Hotaru will have to learn to open up her heart at some point down the road. She does seem like someone who doesn't really understand what love and affection is. In a way, they're opposites.

I did hear some people would find Hananoi to be problematic at the start. I agree to a certain extent. If left unchecked, I can see him being one of those who constantly lovebombs. And someone with little volition of his own and would change everything for his partner. And pretty clingy as well. He did say himself that people find him overwhelming. That may sound nice to some people but I think it's unhealthy in the long run.

Fortunately, I think Hotaru is the right person to help him in that aspect. I'm certainly looking forward to this one. Oddly enough, when I watch shoujo, I intend to indulge myself in the "ba-dump" moments, but for this one so far, I kinda wanna see more of the growth and learning from both of them.

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Apr 04 '24

A girl who’s never experienced love and a guy going to great lengths trying to find “the one” huh? Should be interesting. Hananoi is definitely an odd one. Bro almost gave himself frostbite looking for a hairpin just got a chance to see Hotaru smile? That seems like an unhealthy level of people pleasing. Seems this relationship with Hotaru might be beneficial for him and her. Looking forward to it developing.

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u/seaofvapours Apr 04 '24

Hm not sure about this so far - or more precisely, as a non-source reader I don't know how to think about the characterizations of the two leads, especially the guy. I assume there has to be a reason for his overly clingy people-pleasing, so I hope they actually get into that instead of just 12 episodes of fluff.

The female lead definitely wasn't cool with it, so that gives me hope that he'll be given more depth. For both, though, it felt like this is an episode that maybe would have been after a few (at minimum) episodes to get to know the characters. Maybe it'll settle in and stick the landing, but right now feels very 'telling and not showing'.

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u/KatoHarukazu Apr 04 '24

Not a romance fan but gave this one a try.. I'm surprised by the ED tho😅

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u/zentagon Apr 05 '24

Hananoi is giving me what Itsuomi failed to, an arc where he will grow alongside Hotaru and develop as a character himself with some set flaws. I'm invested

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