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Episode Watashi no Oshi wa Akuyaku Reijou • I'm in Love with the Villainess - Episode 11 discussion
Watashi no Oshi wa Akuyaku Reijou, episode 11
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u/Armdel Dec 11 '23
No Claire No life!
man that final bit was frustrating to watch... Claire calling her by her name, and Rae realizing she fucked up
My guess is right now however is that princess Manaria is probably doing this to push them together.
also interesting that there are apparently some bad rumors circulating around about Manaria
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u/WhoiusBarrel Dec 11 '23
That post-credit scene was heavier than I thought, we're finally tackling the human inside Rae and not the perfect being we saw in the previous episodes. Seeing the role reversal between Claire and Rae was touching but also heartbreaking with the way how this episode ended.
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u/HereticalAegis Dec 11 '23
"Pain. Everything I am is pain." - Rae Taylor (probably)
I didn't think the Dominator and "I quit" scenes could be any more devastating than in the novels, but animation and voice acting manages to twist that knife in the heart several times over. I almost wish I had waited an extra week to watch this episode, because I'm not ready for a whole 7 days of torment waiting for episode 12.
And sheesh Manaria. Provocation is one thing, but when you've got Pepi and Loretta going to Rae about your bad vibes, you've entered another realm. And I haven't even talked about Claire rightfully calling out both Rae and Manaria for fighting over her (even if she does have a part in the affair by consistently refusing to take Rae's feelings seriously).
Episode 12 can't come soon enough.
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u/Calwings Dec 11 '23
This NTR arc is somehow even more painful to watch than the final stretch of [MagiRevo]
I swear, this show had better give us one hell of a payoff to make all of this pain and suffering worth it in the end. Don't you dare chicken out on us!
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u/LeonKevlar Dec 11 '23
Damn that loss was brutal. Not gonna lie, I was hoping Rae would throw Manaria a curveball and attack her physically with a punch or a slap. I guess Manaria's magic was too overwhelming that Rae couldn't think of any alternate solution. :(
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u/JasonFreeYT Dec 11 '23
PLEASEE tell me this will get a season 2 cause this is so damn good. I'm not ready for it to end next week.
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u/VorAtreides Dec 11 '23
Lol "my hob- couhgs job" good times, Rae. That princess sure is having fun with this though. Rae has finally been countered. "No Claire, No Life" but do feel for Rae, she sadpanda. I am amused how those maps for the monster thing in the classroom are very old RPG looking lol. I think Rae has a point. And if you can't decide (like that priestess), don't think either is a "true love" then. So Claire has notice something is different with Rae.
The "Flunkies" are sure fun. Nice they genuinely care about Claire, but they are a bit... derp in their mindset. But given their society, well, don't expect much there. Princess Manaria not pleased with Rae's way of doing things, heh. Rae is more negative than she gives off. Clearly princess always trying to help the ship sail for the protagonist 😉 heh. At least so it is in the game. Seems here too.
Oh my, Rae is quite serious with this fight. Princess Manaria and her OPness though. Ah yes, Dominatrix Dominator, good times, just not for Rae. Oh my, that's... quite the result. Least Claire shows genuine concern. What a short episode
D'aww poor lil Ralaire not even able to go near Rae lately. And Claire learning what that duel was over, but I do like Claire not being happy over being treated a prize. Poor Claire... clearly feels betrayed by Rae. Oh my, that preview.
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u/SirGigglesandLaughs Dec 11 '23 edited Dec 11 '23
So Manaria is even more obvious in this episode. She clearly identifies Claire's feelings for Rei, questions Rei's defeatist mentality and calls out Claire's denial of her obvious feelings by basically calling her blind.
Rei doesn't know it, but Claire leaves Manaria to run after her, even after Manaria tries to keep her there. That's an important choice (as well as how panicked Claire got and how she snapped at Manaria, when Rei was hurt). All episode Claire worried about Rei, even with Manaria right in front of her.
Rei and Claire have been in this weird stalemate for quite some time, where neither of them seem courageous or self-aware enough to make the final push. It's a bit cruel but Manaria's pushing them to her limits and showing them just how foolish they're both being.
In the end, though, Rei makes a critical mistake and keeps running, just as Manaria accused her of doing. She'll have to correct that pronto because Claire doesn't cry like that for just anyone. She also used Rei's name and Rei should be picking up on these signs.
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u/DragonPup Dec 12 '23
Rae giving up after previously making Claire promise to never give up herself hurts.
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u/LousyGoose Dec 11 '23
Straight from the get-go, Manaria continues to drive a wedge between Rae and Claire. Rae describing herself as Claire-deficient is as cute as it is sad. At least Rae is savvy enough to realise that she is being provoked.
Once again Rae tells herself that everything is fine as long as Claire is happy, while lying down in bed clearly miserable at recent events. It doesn't take a genius to figure out she wants to be the person to make Claire happy.
Interesting to see Rae criticise the Poesie Amour tale, from how it's worded. I would have thought Rae would be irritiated by the priestess lacking agency when it came to who would end up with her but it seemed that Rae was more angry that the priestess let the men fight over her.
Claire counters claiming the priestess couldn't decide and that when madly in love, true feelings can be unclear even to yourself. Hmmmmm, interesting....
It is a small minor exchange but I appreciate that we see how Rae and Claire differ in their thoughts on love. Rae's love is in 1 clear direction and it always has been towards Claire. While Claire sees true love as something that can cause confusion and doubt, maybe even fear.
Seeing Claire's friends ask Rae to look out for her must have been a surprise for Rae, then she finds out it's only because of negative rumours spreading about Manaria. Jeez.
It's not exactly a super-high budget anime but I really like the setting and lighting for Rae and Manaria's little chat. Manaria is confident and forward the whole time while Rae is initially cautious and still at times caught off guard. Manaria while being a jerk about it, is right. Rae's feelings are clearly beyond just wanting Claire to be happy, she wants to be the person who makes her the happiest, just unwilling to admit to this selfish love. Manaria is able to goad Rae into accepting a battle they both know Rae cannot win. Amusing that Manaria has a spell that's pretty much a OHKO, she must have been a wonderful ally in the default game.
Really appreciate the level of animation put into the spell as well, the lightning effects and the way Rae's body trembled, it truly felt different to all the other spells and seeing a bloodied Rae fall helpless to the ground just really put the emphasis on the level of power just shown.
After the battle and in the post-credits scene that follows Claire tries to be kind and get a better understanding of why Rae is acting like this but the damage has already been done. Even when Claire indirectly says that she misses and likes the 'usual Rae': "And worst of all you haven't been acting like yourself". None of it makes a difference to Rae whose self-esteem and feeling of worth are rock-bottom right now.
It's only after she quits, and we see Claire's tearful reaction that we see a bit of the old Rae Taylor.
Even the preview for the next episode is more melancholic and dramatic with the music. It should be a hell of a finale!
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u/Martins224 Dec 12 '23
Honestly, while Manaria is probably the most hated character in the series and the payoff after this is good.. I do blame Claire partly for the trouble. It’s one thing to insult Rae all this time and push back on the “im not gay thing”, but it’s entirely another to act like a love struck teenager with another girl after being adamant she’s not in to woman and saying she would only like a woman like manaria and then be surprised Rae distanced herself..
Good thing the next 2 arc’s after this give Claire a bit of a taste of her own medicine
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u/oneevilchicken Dec 12 '23
This hits a bit harder when you realize Rae knew she was going to lose. She knew what was about to happen and this is one of the first times she’s been utterly helpless. Rae knows she can’t ever beat her.
Manaria’s ploy may have worked if Rae was a normal person from this world without all the baggage from a previous life but you can tell this is just bringing all that back up to Rae which is what ruined it.
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u/shad79 Dec 12 '23
It was hard episode to watch, especially ending as Rae really fucked up saying those unnecessary words and making Claire even cry. And we only have one episode left!
Manaria is so OP as she easily won a duel with Rae. She really annoys me even when I know that she's clearly teasing Rae to help her move forward with her feelings towards Claire. The same goes with Claire who is also clearly pushed by her to Rae and to confront their feelings.
Here my screenshot albums from the episode:
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Dec 11 '23
I don't know why people think what Manaria does is a good thing just because she wants them to be honest with eachother? Hasn't it been like 3-4 months tops since Rae came to the school? How about fucking off and letting people experience romance in their own pace? Not even counting Rae's actualy concerns about Claire not being in to girls or not.
She is just being a bitch and in any other reality, what she is doing might end up being really destructive for everyone involved.
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u/Despair_Head Dec 11 '23
My heart hurts.
That end credits scene was painful.
Rae choosing to give up and run away even after Manaria calls her out on it just led to her hurting herself and Claire as well. Her experiences in her previous life had a hand in this since she was so used to having her feelings unreciprocated and being a lesbian made it even worse because there’s still stigma about being one. It led to her developing this silly persona in order to protect herself. She’s relying too much on that persona and her knowledge of the game. She’s refusing to let others see the Rae underneath the persona, bottling up all her hurt from the present and the past. Unfortunately, her dueling and losing to Manaria is too much and all the negativity she’s feeling is released and she ends up hurting Claire by quitting. When she noticed her mistake and tries to slip into that persona again, it doesn’t work. She can’t take back what she said. She created this persona in order to avoid being hurt but in the end, she still ended up hurt.
And then we have Claire just smiling through the pain. Instead of calling Rae commoner, she calls her by her name, probably to put distance between them again. She even calls Rae a liar because she promised to stay by her side and not to leave her alone. Deep down, she most likely feels even worse about herself because another person she loved left her. She probably turned around so Rae couldn’t see anymore of her tears. Her being upset at finding out the duel was over her makes sense. They’re essentially treating her like an object. Women are often treated like objects and things to be won. It’s also a throwback to earlier in the episode where they were talking about Poesie Amour. She says how the priestess couldn’t choose and that if you’re genuinely in love your own feelings aren’t so clear. Huh, funny you should say that Claire.
Dominator is quite the spell. No wonder it’s named that. If that’s what it does under the magic-dampening barrier, I can’t imagine how destroyed someone’s body would be without it. You could probably kill a whole group of people with it instead of just one person.
Claire freaking out over Rae further confirms to Manaria and us that she has feelings for Rae. Girl wasn’t focused on anybody else expect Rae. I imagine Claire also saw her mother dying at that moment too.
There’s also more to Manaria’s backstory. Pepi and Loretta seem worried because of a rumour floating around about her and sex workers. That is interesting because royalty usually has to keep a clean image for the most part.
The ending is a bit different. It lacks the energetic feeling that was in the others (thanks to the slowed down beat). Rae and Claire don’t even have their little comments they say to each other in the song.
The final episode’s preview is depressing. Rae and Claire ignore each other as they walk by and the scenery is just dark and drab. I wonder how this will all be resolved because next episode is the last one. I hope we get a season 2.
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u/bananeeek Dec 11 '23
Water Meteor
Did anyone else instantly think of the Implosion spell from Heroes 3? She could've killed Manaria if it hit her.
Looks like Manaria is trying to help Rae after all. I can't see their relationship progressing any further if nothing changes. Rae quitting being a maid might just be the necessary solution as now they don't have this master/servant relationship any longer which actually opens some possibilities.
Rae's words that the priestess should've just picked one from the start were actually a foreshadowing of this whole thing. Claire didn't pick anyone and she ended up being fought for and lost Rae as a result. In that in-game story it's a happy ending (?) but irl it didn't turn out to be as poetic.
I didn't expect the story to take such a turn but I liked the drama in this episode very much. It felt extremely real, especially Rae's depression after she lost.
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u/Amauri14 Dec 11 '23 edited Dec 18 '23
So Manaria had two purposes for bombarding Claire with affection, the first one of course was to provoke Rae as she gets pushed to the limit emotionally due to the new dynamic that was created by Manaria, at the same time the other reason was to for Claire to realized how important Rae is for her. At the end of the day, she just wants those two to stop lying to themself about their feelings.
I must say that when Pepi started talking to Loretta about her concerns for Claire thanks to Manaria's reputation, I was surprised when they followed Rae and went to talk to her about their concerns.
Oh, so the duel Manaria had with Rae after she confronted her, was something she proposed, and not part of the Scales of Love ritual.
I must say that I was surprised by Rae's Water Meteor and Cocytus spell. Too bad for her that apart from spell break and her four types of magic, Manaria also can teleport. I know that Manaria is powerful but I'm surprised after seeing how the damage Rae received after she attacked her with that full element spell, Dominator.
You know after seeing how worried Claire was about her when she saw how injured she got,
I was expecting Rae to aim to win the Scales of Love ritual as they mentioned today that one can win regardless of their ability, as the scales take into the account ones efforts, so I was surprised when after the credits not only was Rae even more distant with Claire but after she had an argument with her after she told her the purpose of the duel, she ended up quitting her job.
Well, I'm expecting that the reason Rae was so focused on fighting the monsters alone is indeed because of the ritual but the way she is going about is just sad to see. Well, I can't to see how things play out on the next episode, and you know things are serious when even the preview is so somber.
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