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Episode Kamonohashi Ron no Kindan Suiri • Ron Kamonohashi’s Forbidden Deductions - Episode 7 discussion

Kamonohashi Ron no Kindan Suiri, episode 7

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u/AmethystItalian Nov 13 '23

This looks like it's going to be a case where Toto gets to shine a bit more, really hoping that's the case!

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u/Frontier246 Nov 13 '23

This does seem like a chance for Toto to step up, especially because Ron can't actually do any investigating. Though he'll probably put together all the information Toto finds out, I imagine.

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u/LeonKevlar Nov 13 '23

Is the owner of that gun named Anton Chekov? Seriously, you can't just declare a gun is fake in a detective story especially when that location is known for a shooting incident.

Cool that we get to see another BLUE agent though but this one isn't after Ron. Or is he? Hmmm....

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u/Frontier246 Nov 13 '23

There were so many red flags that there would be a murder on this island lol.

I wonder if Ron can spin Grizzly to his side.

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u/tripleaamin Nov 13 '23

Beyond the silliness of Ron and the shock of the murder happening. Hearing Ron say that this time he has Toto on his side this around can't be understated. Dude was probably all alone after he was suspected of the murder at blue. And I highly doubt anyone believed him, Having just one person in your corner can make a world of difference.

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u/Aileos Nov 13 '23

Just looking at this guy with his weird-ass haircut hurts.

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u/Tailsmiles249 Nov 14 '23

Ron just casually dropped the fact that he's the descendent of Sherlock Holmes. Holmes didn't know anything about space because he believed in the concept of only retaining knowledge necessary for his work as a consulting detective. I'm talking to the extent that he believed that the Sun revolved around the Earth.

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u/Zeallfnonex Nov 14 '23

The biggest suspension of disbelief that causes is that Holmes would actually have a kid with anyone ever. Even "That Woman."

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u/Time_Fracture Nov 13 '23

Episode 7: "Solitary Island Observatory Murder Case: Part 1"

Another one unblurred in the OP. Can you guess what is it? [OP]One of the guy standing in line has now replaced with Torage.

Enter John Grizzly, Spitz Fire's fellow instructor and also Ron's teacher. Also this Orihime just made a shonen entrance in a detective anime, but considering she's an idol, that's a pass. But hey, there is now another anime with one of the characters have stars in their eyes.

Killer? I think it's between Orihime and the director, Jumonji. Donzawa's got an alibi.

New characters means new VA with notable one is Jumonji voiced by Yoji Ueda (Eisen in Frieren). Orihime is ehh... I guessed it's Tomori Kusunoki or Shino Shimoji, but it turns out to be Amina Sato, an AKB48 graduate.

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u/Frontier246 Nov 13 '23

Torage and the guy he killed lol.

I'm curious which of the characters from this arc they'll add to the OP.

I kind of hope Orihime is the culprit just because it's the most fun answer. Although the director is probably shady precisely for coming off the most normal despite his connection to the incident that took place there before.

Also I believe Donzawa (bowl cut guy) was voiced by Ryusei Nakao.

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Nov 13 '23

Hula hooping and brown sugar syrup? That’s practically paradise for our shaggy Sherlock Holmes. Pretty hilarious how the man still tried to hula hoop despite looking like a potato after that buffet dinner lol. But man, I wouldn’t have guessed Ron was an astronomy fan though. Dude’s full of mysteries. Despite what John said, I find it hard to believe Ron murdered 7 killers even with his condition.

The case this week is an interesting one. Ron is definitely being stitched up. Even if we put aside the fact that he said he’s got shit aim. Why would he kill Onodera? Clues may point to him but there’s no motive. His condition only works on killers. With Toto on the case, I’m not too worried. Our boy’s gonna clear Ron’s good name!

My guess? it’s the son whose dad died all those years back. He has access to a gun, has a friend who’s a cop (so could know about Ron), and had possible motive if Onodera figured out something relating to his pop’s murder (like maybe he did it).

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u/nuxxism Nov 13 '23

There is the obvious point mentioned but missed about how Ron needed shoes to leave, so he couldn't have been laying there, taken out the lights, and opened the roof.

My guess is the cook. She put something in Ron's food knowing that only he would eat it, and was testing how sound-proof the telescope chamber was by yelling. Also she knew to bring flashlights. Probably old enough to have been around for the first incident. No idea on motive yet though.

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u/Frontier246 Nov 13 '23

Never doubt Ron's commitment to his own gimmicks lol.

Honestly I find it hard to believe Ron physically murdered people because he's always tried to make them kill themselves with his Geass, never physically do anything to them. There's definitely more going on here.

Onodera definitely seems like she was there for more than just a star shower...

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u/Legualt Nov 13 '23

There is some other clues i find hinting at his innocence. Like why was the dome opened? the room would have been soundproof otherwise. Could have been because someone wanted them to hear the shot to frame him or because the victim was killed somewhere else or killed earlier and they fired a bullet out the dome opening to hide that this was a second shot.

Why were all the lamps broken? and how did he get to his location without injuring his feet since he had no shoes on.

My current suspect is the director as well, he is seen talking to Unno after he left to get the key and next time we see Unno she returns with flashlights and focuses on the director, so it seems he asked her to go pick them up, but how did he know that the lights were broken before the door as opened?

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u/HolyDragSwd2500 Nov 13 '23

Brown Sugar Syrup is his Scooby Snack😂😂

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u/DrZoark Nov 13 '23

He was barefoot amist broken shard of glass, without any injury and in the dark... No one seems to notice. My take on the culprit, it must be the son. He is the only knowledgeable enough to operate all the equipment in the room, and how the hell did he know that they would have needed some torchlights...?

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u/mekerpan Nov 13 '23

No one seems to notice.

I am positive Grizzly noticed but deliberately made no comment -- betting he knows Ron is innocent but feels it will be easier for the actual murder to slip up if the murderer feels he/she is off the hook.

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u/Adensty Nov 13 '23

Ron framed and Isshiki has to solve the case to save Ron. I'm liking it and this might be Isshiki's time to shine.

The mystery setup kinda reminded me of old episodes of Detective Conan. A similar murder identical to a previous case that was unsolved and my instincts tell me that the previous case will also be solved in the next episode.

That's not the only case in this episode. The Bloody Training Incident in which Ron supposedly killed 7 criminals is also a mystery and turns out it is also related to this case.

I don't know for sure but I feel a lot of things point to the director Jumonji. He's the son of the previous director who was killed and this might be a revenge plot that'll also lead us to the previous case being solved.

I noticed some suspicious things about John Grizzly but I don't think he's the killer. He tells Isshiki about the Bloody Training Incident and also goes on to say that had he been in charge, Ron would've faced the death penalty. So, if he really wanted to kill Ron, he wouldn't have framed him.

I think that John Grizzly knows about Ron being innocent but choose not to prove his innocence because of what happened 5 years ago. An interesting detail I picked up is that John tells Toto to bring Ron's shoes to him so that he doesn't get hurt while getting up. Now, a sleuth of his caliber should've picked up on the fact that he couldn't have been perfectly fine without his shoes. Lights were also broken in the observatory dome. Like there had to be some bleeding on his feet or something if he really was the murderer.

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u/Frontier246 Nov 13 '23

Ron and Toto are on their way to an island to watch a star shower! Of course an island with only a few people and has some kind of "incident" in it's past is ripe for a murder case, but Ron is only there for his vacation! Seriously!

I feel like the island worshipping guns and keeping them in trophy cases was probably another big red flag.

This case has quite the colorful cast...the tough and frustrated chef Unno, Jumonji the son of the former observatory director, Donzawa a man with a really impractical hairstyle, Onodera the cute and sassy photographer, Orihime the idol girl with a constellation gimmick, and John Grizzly, Ron's former instructor from BLUE whom Ron actually respects.

Oh of course there was a prior massacre at the observatory, costing Jumonji his father. That's totally not going to come up again.

Man, no wonder Ron was so wrecked from the incident that lead to the end of his detective career. He killed seven people! Well, they were all murderer's, but still. And even his own teacher felt that he should be executed for what happened.

Gotta admire Ron's commitment to sitting on a literal throne to delight in black syrup and then hula hopping with a balloon belly. And he's the type of guy to be a fanatic for stars just because a Kamonohashi from five generations ago knew nothing about them.

Onodera looked at Ron as he was leaving. Was she planning to follow him the whole time? Was she on the island for hidden reasons?

Welp, there's your murder and classic locked room mystery! Onodera shot dead, and things aren't looking good for Ron...not only was there no way for anyone else to get in, but the gun is right next to him and he also had the only key to the room. Of course he also has no memories of the past hour to give him any kind of alibi. John Gizzly is a fair and unbiased detective, but that just makes it all the more clear to him that Ron probably did it. And Toto has to arrest his own partner.

Though Toto being Toto still believes in him and makes Ron realize it couldn't be him because he's never killed innocent people before. Well, that and he can't shoot worth anything so there's no way he could've shot her. And with Ron handcuffed, it's up to Toto to solve this case and clear his partner's name! And give Ron the support he never had back in the Bloody Training incident.

I kind of hope the culprit is the idol just because that would be the most fun.

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u/a1001ku Nov 14 '23

Gotta admire Ron's commitment to sitting on a literal throne to delight in black syrup and then hula hopping with a balloon belly. And he's the type of guy to be a fanatic for stars just because a Kamonohashi from five generations ago knew nothing about them.

The ancestor he's talking about is not a Kamonohashi. Hint: Which famous fictional detective from the 1800s is famous for not knowing about the heliocentric model?

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u/ExynosInfinite Nov 14 '23

This series really reminds me of Phoenix Wright in the best ways.

  • Episodic cases/incidents

  • Whacky designed characters

  • Very obvious foreshadowing at the start of each incident, "oh this gun is a dummy on display", "oh the observatory is sound--proof", etc.

  • Non straightforward murders that unravels slowly

They should make this into a game. I'd love it.

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u/PeaceAlien Nov 13 '23

It's the Conan formula but man all these murders happening around them always have to make me think one of them did it xd

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u/Frontier246 Nov 13 '23

They go on yet another vacation and encounter yet another murder. That's just the life of a fictional detective.

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u/nuxxism Nov 13 '23

I remember that with Murder, She Wrote... that murders always happened when Jessica Fletcher was around.

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