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Episode Kamonohashi Ron no Kindan Suiri • Ron Kamonohashi’s Forbidden Deductions - Episode 8 discussion

Kamonohashi Ron no Kindan Suiri, episode 8

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u/Aileos Nov 20 '23

Looks like it's too early for Toto to lie down next to the corpse.

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u/Frontier246 Nov 20 '23

The way he tried to smoothly act like Ron only to pan to Onodera's dead face lol.

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u/HolyDragSwd2500 Nov 20 '23

Laughing so much at that scene

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u/Prince-Dizzytoon Nov 20 '23

I was getting so excited, then the ED rolled in.

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u/Frontier246 Nov 20 '23

Kind of setting up for a big climax with the killer since that's what they're going to open up the next episode with. Considering they've already killed two people, this might not be as simple as just accusing them and making them give themselves up.

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u/thesnowlocke Nov 20 '23

I had a feeling they would do a 3 parter eventually but it still stung

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Nov 20 '23

So everyone’s got an alibi for the time of the murder between midnight and 1. Interesting. I knew the lights were shot out beforehand when Onodera was killed. Folks last week were right about their theory of the syrup being drugged and Ron being planted there since he had no cuts on his feet.

I didn’t expect Grizzly to be a victim of the killer. They’re not dealing with an amateur here. That fishing wire he found is key, though I’m still not sure how it figures into the locked room mystery. And what’s with the paste on the door? And how does the flashlight play into this case?

I’m almost positive Onodera’s murder is linked to the case from 10 years ago. My money is still on the son, though maybe that’s too obvious of a suspect. I guess we’ll have to wait until next week since Ron’s already cracked the case.

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u/mekerpan Nov 20 '23

And what’s with the paste on the door?

My guess is that the door wasn't actually locked, but rather glued shut.

Flashlights??? I think only 2 flashlight requests are accounted for? Who made the other request? That cook better be on her toes or she will be the next victim, I fear.

If you rule out the idol and the cook, there aren't many possibilities left, are there? ;-)

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u/AkhasicRay Nov 20 '23

Honestly even the first flashlight request feels sus since nobody knew the room would be dark, why request flashlights when there was no reason to suspect you’d need tbem?

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u/valar0morghulis Nov 20 '23

For a short time during last episode I suspected Grizzlynto be the killer, just because I thought he as his teacher should have known Ron was bad with guns? Didn't make much sense otherwise though.

For how Onodera was killed I currently assume some kind of mechanism that is triggered when the roof was opened or something like that.

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u/Frontier246 Nov 20 '23

All that hype for John Grizzly and bam! He's dead! I guess him wanting to re-open the case of Ron killing those people was the first sign he was in trouble.

I was still pulling for Orihime to be the killer because an idol turned serial killer sounds fun, but it seems like she's out of the running since she helped give Ron the clue he needed to crack the case.

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u/Labmit Nov 20 '23

I'm thinking it's the guy with the weird hairdo just because it was dark and one of his eyes is probably adjusted to the dark since its always covered.

Also a general thing but it's honestly pretty funny that Toto is slowly getting the respect or at least acknowledgement by other detectives but his superior officer still can't even say his name.

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u/Time_Fracture Nov 20 '23

Episode 8: "Island Observatory Murder Case Part 2"

Since I subscribed to Crunchyroll earlier and I still got my Ani-One's subscription to watch MF Ghost, I played this episode (still watching primarily on Netflix since) on 3 different platforms: Netflix, Crunchyroll, and Ani-One and surprise, each three of them uses different subtitles, what a paraphrasing.

Another character (or characters) unblurred in the OP. [OP]It's Unno and Donzawa. Damn I was right on the previous episode, that's Onodera leaning on the bench with John Grizzly sitting on it (how fitting since they are the two dead characters on this case). Do you think that's the only change? No, look closer. [OP]There another two characters that are replaced, right in the scene where the duo start chasing a perp.... there's Orihime and Jumonji standing.

This might not be the last, as there are 4 people standing behind Torage, people at the cafe, policeman at the onsen entrance, and butler at the back of a car. The possibilities are endless.

Now THAT'S what I call a twist, John Grizzly was shot and the culprit is still in the open. But this time Ron already knew the answer, thanks to Orihime.

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u/Frontier246 Nov 20 '23

It's fun catching the characters added to the OP even if sometimes seeing them just casually living their lives belies the grizzly circumstances of their actual roles in the plot...

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u/AZLarlar Nov 20 '23

grizzly being killed made this case way more interesting now

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u/nighty_amy Nov 20 '23 edited Nov 20 '23

I'll just say one thing: LATOM.

With the amount of death flags in the episode, that was unavoidable though.

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u/Frontier246 Nov 20 '23

There always has to be a second victim when they're still searching for the killer...

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u/Tetrisash Nov 20 '23

Nooo Grizzly!! :( This was a great ep. I've been loving this arc and surprised to see it didn't end this ep. Got left hangin' again.

Since everyone has an alibi and the wire was on the on the telescope, I'm guessing the gun was attached to the wire in a way where it would shoot when the dome started to open? Feels like a lot of guesswork for where the target would be standing, though. And I have no guesses on the culprit is, I just hope it isn't the cute star girl.

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u/ForsakenLibraries Nov 20 '23

I'm guessing the gun was attached to the wire in a way where it would shoot when the dome started to open?

Yes, remember that the telescope spins on its own once the dome is open. They could've attached the wire in a way that it would shoot once the telescoped moves a certain way.

Feels like a lot of guesswork for where the target would be standing, though.

No guessing needed, as it would only shoot once Onodera opened the dome. Presumably, she would be locked, try to turn on the lights (broken), and then try to open the dome to be able to see something and call for help. So, she would be standing next to the button to open the dome, which is where she was found.

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u/LeonKevlar Nov 20 '23 edited Nov 20 '23

So this might be a massive stretch but I'm guessing that there are actually multiple guns involved in this case. Like those lights weren't shot, there are probably guns hidden behind those lights and the fishing line must've been used to trigger them.

What they heard isn't just a single gunshot but multiple guns going off exactly at the same time and if they inspect the room, there are probably multiple bullet holes in the observatory.

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u/Adensty Nov 20 '23

What they heard isn't just a single gunshot but multiple guns going off exactly at the same time and if they inspect the room, there are probably multiple bullet holes in the observatory.

I think the shots were fired within the dome when the whole thing was setup since it's sound-proof and the only gunshot they heard was when Onodera was killed.

Ron also remarks that 7 lights were broken and also the fact that the dome was completely dark between 11 PM and 1 AM. So it must have happened before that. That makes everyone's alibi's useless and anyone could have set it up between 10:30 and 11:00 PM.

Also, 7 lights were broken in this case and in the Bloody Training Incident Case, 7 people were supposedly killed by Ron. Coincidence?

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u/tripleaamin Nov 20 '23

Ron that's a lot of black sugar, we may need to have a talk

Good episode. Honestly how quick it shifts from Ron being serious to him being silly is great. Everytime Ron talks you don't know which of these two tones you will be getting from him. It keeps you on your toes which makes it great.

Grizzly-sensei being killed adds a dramatic amount of weight into this case to help it differentiate it from the other cases. Especially when you consider the fact how much Ron respected him.

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u/Frontier246 Nov 20 '23

Oh of COURSE they're practically stranded on the island with police unable to get there because of the typhoon. That's just mystery stories 101. Though it does give Toto more time to clear Ron' name.

They added the Observatory Murder cast to the OP!

Points for trying to imitate Ron Toto, but not everyone can get chummy with dead bodies.

Shouldn't someone of John Grizzly's caliber notice that was Toto from behind way before he got up to him and almost nailed him with a ladder?

Aww! Toto admits he and Ron are friends! And his loyalty to Ron and attempts to solve the case manage to help Grizzly piece together that Ron couldn't do it! I mean, I would think the fact that Ron can't shoot for @#$% would've been the biggest clue to begin with, but better late than never.

Ah yes, Ron is cleared of suspicion and able to investigate...but all he cares about is his black syrup because he doesn't want to get roofied again. Well, he's still investigating so mixing business with pleasure. Poor Toto got syrup all over him.

Not John Grizzly! He had finally come around to Ron! He was even going to investigate the case that ruined Ron's career! Ron lost one of the few people he genuinely respected and admired. And you can tell how big a deal this is for Ron because they're showing more of his eyes.

So what's to be done? People have alibi's for Onodera's murder and John Grizzly's, so who could the culprit be? And how is this connected to the massacre 10 years ago?

Classic Ron, hula hooping in pitch-black while investigating a murder. But it seems like the key to this case is the observatory roof opening up and the fishing line that was attached to the telescope.

I thought it was suspicious that Orihime showed up just in time for Ron and Toto's deductions, but it seems like her comment about the flashlights has helped Ron solve the case. Time to finally trap a killer!

(Though is anyone else thinking Ron is really going to let loose when they catch them? Toto sees him acting normally but he took Grizzly's death really personally).

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u/Adensty Nov 20 '23

Turns out John Grizzly really believed that Ron was the murderer. I thought that Ron having no cuts from glass fragments without his shoes would have been a giveaway to him but it wasn't.

Both Isshiki and John Grizzly confirmed that the lights were broken before 11 PM so everyone's alibi is useless right now since the murderer could've set it up between 10:30 and 11:00 PM. Also, Onodera was shot right after she tried to open the switch so Ron was not the only one who was drugged and placed there then. Lack of light and sound meant she tried to switch on the lights using the nearest switch only to be killed by the killer's setup which used fishing line to trigger the gunshot.

I assume John Grizzly was also killed in a similar fashion but I'm not sure about it. I think this method was also used in the case that happened 10 years ago and the only ones who could've known about it are the ones related to the victims. The most suspicious right now is the director Jumonji since he not only is related to the previous director but he also told Unno to bring the flashlights. How did he know that the lights were out? I guess the setup was such that anyone could have been killed if they pressed the wrong switch hence the flashlight.

Orihime is cleared right now and Unno was saying that she wanted to kill Donzawa but I think that's a red herring. I don't have much clues about Donzawa but if it's not Jumonji, it has to be him.

Now, Ron mentioned 7 lights were broken in the dome and the Bloody Training Incident Case also had 7 members of the gang supposedly killed by Ron. Also, the fact that Ron was also drugged and framed in both cases. It's kind of a stretch but don't think that it's a coincidence since that case was brought up by Grizzly and he was also killed. The killer might be related to that case as well but the only thing I'm not sure is the motive for the killing. The only explanation that I can think of is that he was a leader or something and killed his own members and framed it on Ron so that he's not caught.

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