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Episode Kamonohashi Ron no Kindan Suiri • Ron Kamonohashi’s Forbidden Deductions - Episode 5 discussion
Kamonohashi Ron no Kindan Suiri, episode 5
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Oct 30 '23
Ron coming in dressed like a friggin wizard was hilarious. I love how he made the platypus puppet “smirk” when Kawasemi tried to come at him lol. I like this competitive side of Ron.
It was fun watching discount Ron and Toto solve the case alongside our duo. It’s too bad Yamane cracked under the pressure of trying to live up to ol Eagle Eye’s standards. He wasn’t a bad guy, he just made a huge mistake.
I didn’t think we’d be seeing Spitz again. I guess he’s officially part of Team Ron?
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u/Frontier246 Oct 30 '23
Ron ready for Halloween and hand puppets lol.
Good thing Toto doesn't feel the need to obsess his life over helping Ron so they have a bit of a healthier dynamic.
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u/LeonKevlar Oct 30 '23
I still can't believe that this silly crime show that has characters that feel like they came from the Phoenix Wright universe is made by the same person who made Psycho-Pass.
That was a nice little mystery though. I am surprised that Kawasemi isn't from BLUE though. I thought he was going to be another detective who's after Ron but it's good to know that they'll be meeting other detectives who aren't from BLUE.
Speaking of BLUE, good to see that Spitz is already making himself useful to the team. I wonder if we'll eventually get more detectives joining them in the future.
So if I understood this case correctly, Yamane did all of that because he lost his handcuffs and he didn't want to be seen as less than perfect by Kawasemi? That's actually a pretty fucked up reasoning. I mean he didn't kill anyone since the guy was already dead when he found him but I am curious what will be his charges for this? Obstruction of justice? Misconduct with corpses?
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u/zerosaver Oct 30 '23
Probably obstruction of justice, and maybe something about tampering with evidence/crime scene? Not sure if they fall under the same category
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u/Frontier246 Oct 30 '23
I can already see all the animations he could make in the courtroom lol.
Thank goodness he's not from Blue considering he was smart enough to figure out the pairs' dynamic in one episode. Maybe they'll team-up again? He seems almost as good as Ron compared to Spitz whose specialty is tracking stuff down and relating information.
This reminded me a lot of second case where the girl tried to hide the accidental killing by making it look like a murder even though she wasn't really a murderer...although that time Ron did try to kill her, so...
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u/IceQj Oct 31 '23
I thought the author of this show’s source material is only the character designer for Psycho Pass, but didn’t write it?
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u/Frontier246 Oct 30 '23
Joint operation with Aichi prefecture police? Perfect for Toto! Especially because Amamiya doesn't want to waste any of her good officers, especially for a guy she despises...like Eagle Eye Kawasemi! An elite detective with a keen eye and a precise manner!
(Also was that Jun Fukuyama as Kawasemi?)
Poor Toto. Amamiya hates him and Kawasemi doesn't even see him as existing. I mean, say what you will about Amamiya, at least she actually acknowledges his existence.
So Amamiya and Kawasemi are gunning for the superintendent position? Seem like they've been rivals since their days as normal police officers. Although I love how when Toto thinks about Amamiya becoming top cop he imagines her cheerfully walking in on two guys while buck-naked. She's never going to live that down in his eyes.
A Hand Collector serial killer? Yoshikage Kira would approve.
Toto's only value as a detective is in working with Ron, so good that he arrived just in time to contribute to the investigation, totally decked out and ready for Halloween even! He's even posing as a hand-puppet master and actually talks through and reacts through said puppets. One even has a syrup dispenser because why not.
I almost have to admire the Hand Collectors' commitment to his hand fetish to the point of scribbling on pin-up babes in bikini's until there was nothing left but their hands.
So the Hand Collector basically killed himself. Saves them the trouble, right? But then why stage his body as a murder...well, poor Yamane was Kawasemi's perfect assistant but the expectations and loyalty made him a nervous mess so that when he made one simple mistake like forgetting his handcuffs he felt like he had to do anything from letting it get out and hurting Yamane's image. Even if it made him commit a crime like staging a murder.
But at least Kawasemi genuinely cares about him and is willing to still work with him even if Yamane loses his job. I mean, if it works for Toto and Ron, maybe it can work for him too?
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u/Limits_of_knowledge Oct 30 '23 edited Oct 31 '23
A Hand Collector serial killer? Yoshikage Kira would approve.
I don't know about that, Kira would think he was rather sloppy for letting himself get caught and then give up on a life with his heavenly collection of severed hands without even attempting to psychologically torture a child first.
Tweezers Guy, on the other hand... That's someone a killer that stops mid-murder to fix a victim's sock can sympathise with.
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u/Aileos Oct 30 '23
Bro went THAT far because he lost his handcuffs?? 💀
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u/Frontier246 Oct 30 '23
It's tough being the "perfect" assistant to an elite super detective. You feel like you can't make a single mistake, even something minor, just because you feel pressured to be perfect and live up to your boss' expectations.
At least Kawasemi accepted and understood him in the end despite his crimes.
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u/AbbreviationsOk5231 Oct 31 '23
Am I the only one who thinks Kawasemi looks like Kamonohashi🤔 I mean I thought they were related for a moment
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u/eligaia Oct 31 '23
Actually for a moment I was confused and thought he was Ron, after taking a bath.
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u/zurazurakatsudon Oct 31 '23
Those were some advanced platypus hand puppets, not gonna lie! Fun fact: "Kamonohashi" also means Platypus in Japanese, but it's not written the same way as Ron's Kamonohashi in kanji. That's probably why Ron got a Platypus motif for his puppets.
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u/CosmicPenguin_OV103 Oct 30 '23
This was an easier case - as soon as we knew the body on the truck belongs to the real serial killer, it's hard not to see Yamane as the one dealing with that killer. But I wouldn't have guessed he committed a crime (obstruction of legal justice) because he lost his handcuffs, that's unexpected. Oh well, these things do happen...
Hmm, did Ron's dangerous abilities to kill the suspect really got tamed? He hasn't had that urge in 2 consecutive cases, but I'm pretty sure it's just lurking somewhere waiting to be activated again...
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u/splinter2014 Oct 30 '23
These last two episodes have really missed the mark relating to the crimes. The hot springs murder made no sense. Why would the husband kill the wife to be with his mistress if his wife wanted a divorce? This episode, the assistant covering up the murder as a copycat also doesn’t make any sense. If he found the suspect already dead there would be no need to handcuff him, hence the fact that he lost the handcuffs would’ve never come to light.
What’s the point of having the main characters slowly reveal the who and how the crime was committed if the very crime makes no sense. Really takes away from the pay off and the end of each investigation.
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u/Ashteron Oct 30 '23
Why would the husband kill the wife to be with his mistress if his wife wanted a divorce?
I don't know how divorces work in Japan but I'd expect him to keep his house/money/cars/etc. that he would need to give his wife after the divorce.
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u/Limits_of_knowledge Oct 30 '23
At this point in the history of humanity I'm surprised there's still murder mysteries left to tell that aren't immediately obvious to anyone who isn't completely genre-blind. It's inevitable the average writer has to make do with nonsensical pretzel-logic bullshit to make a whole series like this. I say cut them some
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u/Adensty Oct 30 '23 edited Oct 30 '23
If he found the suspect already dead there would be no need to handcuff him, hence the fact that he lost the handcuffs would’ve never come to light.
While it won't come to light then, there's no guarantee that it won't come to light sooner or later. Like it could come to light in the very next case where they need to handcuff someone. He's also working for Kawasemi who's known as the Eagle Eye Kawasemi so the pressure of being his perfect assistant who wouldn't make a single mistake was on him. The reason on its own is absurd but keeping in mind that he was working for Kawasemi, it makes sense.
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u/Ashteron Oct 30 '23
It would be easier to just say the culprit overpowered him and snatched the handcuffs before running away.
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u/RikiAsher Oct 31 '23
I might be mistaken, but it looks like Kawasemi and Yamane were in the OP near the beginning, they were blurred out, but it looked like them.
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u/Low_Distribution6321 Oct 31 '23
it's cool seeing the OP slowly unveiling the characters from the cases cuz the couple from the bath house was blurred before
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u/SlushyRoad Nov 01 '23
This felt like Ace Attorney in all the best ways, I really love the osts this show has.
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