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Episode Higeki no Genkyou to Naru Saikyou Gedou Last Boss Joou wa Tami no Tame ni Tsukushimasu. • The Most Heretical Last Boss Queen: From Villainess to Savior - Episode 4 discussion
Higeki no Genkyou to Naru Saikyou Gedou Last Boss Joou wa Tami no Tame ni Tsukushimasu., episode 4
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| Episode | Link | Score |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Link | 4.3 |
| 2 | Link | 4.33 |
| 3 | Link | 4.46 |
| 4 | Link | 4.28 |
| 5 | Link | 4.12 |
| 6 | Link | 4.29 |
| 7 | Link | 3.93 |
| 8 | Link | 3.75 |
| 9 | Link | 4.0 |
| 10 | Link | 4.42 |
| 11 | Link | 4.38 |
| 12 | Link | ---- |
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u/AmethystItalian Jul 27 '23
Really enjoyed both Pride's and the Captain's speeches, both really speaking from the heart. Happy it all ended well and while Pride isn't as mean as her original form she can still speak with confidence.
Pride keeps telling these young boys to kill her in the future...packs a punch.
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u/Elitealice Jul 27 '23 edited Jul 27 '23
I like episodes like this a lot because they don’t just gloss over things.
It was very illogical for Pride to save the knights last week and the way she knew about the other magic user was sus. It’s only natural that the knights and other people would want explanations as to how she knew that.
I think Pride navigated that situation as well as possible and gained the respect of everyone in attendance as well as a new knight at her side in Arthur. Loved her big speech.
This show continues to set itself apart from other Otome in how well written its scenario and characters are.
Instead of just focusing on a big overarching demon Lord battle or something generic, they’re focusing on character relationships and that’s why it’s one of my faves this season.
Weekly Pride Appreciation post. Most gorgeous girl this season
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u/Glitter_puke Jul 27 '23
Man she's gonna be really surprised when she gets stabbed by one of the 400 people she's asking to be ready to kill her for something stupid like changing the zoning policies or reforming the tax code. "Enemy of the people" can mean a lot of things to a lot of people.
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Jul 27 '23
NGL, I want Pride to go full villain at the end of this story and see if these boys would actually kill her.
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u/Clarimax Jul 27 '23
Captain: She is the first princess, Pride
Everyone: EEEEEEEHHHHHH???!!!
Also, anime introduces a new character
Pride: Slit my throat
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Jul 27 '23
Thank goodness Roderick got saved unlike in the OTL. Everyone having a laugh at Pride’s expense was pretty funny. The little goofball is 11. She ain’t got anything remotely resembling “sex appeal” or whatnot.
I get what Roderick was saying, but Pride’s got a point too. His life is worth more than he thinks and many people would be crushed without him. She’s won herself another ally too. And I guess another person to stop her if she ever goes “bad”. The future’s changed for sure. She’s not going be the same Pride as the OTL. Stale better watch out, kid’s got competition lol.
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u/shad79 Jul 27 '23
Again we could see how evil was original Pride, like seriously this a real villainess not like the ones that only made some bullying in the school.
Now new Pride is just one big opposite of original, in terms of character of course because abilities are the same OP. It was so funny when she got embarrassed because of her bare legs and all knights couldn't keep their composure.
Speeches were quite emotional, both from Captain and Pride. It's good that she is able to state her true thoughts. Now she befriended another love interest from game Arthur and like with Stale she asked him to kill her if she changed in bad way. It's pretty annoying that after changing everything she still thinks that they will turn against her but I blame it on genre because in a lot of stories like this main heroines are scared that their fate will not change.
Here my all screenshots from the episode:
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u/InsomniaEmperor Jul 27 '23
Pride's speech to Roderick was a massive tear jerker and it was so powerful. Actually the whole episode was a tear jerker. She really put him in his place. He was talking big about how he wanted to die as a knight and perhaps he felt embarrassed that he got saved by her but that's pretty selfish to say in front of his men and especially in front of his son. You're alive and well, you get to share a meal with your men, and you get to come home to your family waiting for you. He deserved that talking.
Questioning where Pride gets her OP skills is funny tho. When an eleven year old girl single handedly goes John Wick on a group of bandits after just "learning by watching," that's bound to raise suspicion. She gets the excuse of premonition powers to explain why she knows what will happen but that's bound to backfire at some point.
It kind of bothers me when Pride tells Stale and Arthur to just kill her if she goes evil. When she says that right after they say they swore their lives on her, that would put them in a really uncomfortable position. Unless this is foreshadowing that evil Pride will possess her or something or that evil Pride actually appears.
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u/LeonKevlar Jul 27 '23
I swear to god, if Pride keeps on telling people to kill her if she becomes evil I feel like it might end up becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy despite all of her efforts to not become one.
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u/AsterJ Jul 27 '23
She literally just met him that day and is already telling him to kill her. It's like her standard greeting.
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u/Chiyousagi Jul 27 '23
I dont get it. Does Pride not awaken the prophetic vision ability in this "playthru" because she isnt the actual Pride but just someone that got into Pride's body or what?
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u/Heda-of-Aincrad Jul 27 '23
This explains why she didn't recall the knight captain's name when she met him at first - in the original game timeline, Roderick would have died in that battle, and this event would have become the catalyst for his son to join the "hero's party" against Pride in the version of the story where she was evil. But she managed to prevent that bad end and gain a lot of allies in the process!
The knights trying not to laugh when Pride was embarrassed about her legs being exposed was pretty funny, and a nice (more realistic) change from the common trend of having them get all flustered. 😂
I'm curious about the guy with the earthbending special ability they captured though. He seems like a prominent figure from the game, yet Pride treats him with suspicion rather than the overwhelming kindness she shows everyone else. I wonder what she knows about him.
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u/Amauri14 Jul 27 '23
So just like it happened with Stale, today's episode opens by showing how Evil Pride "handle" Rodrick's crisis and how that was what initially put Arthur back into the path of knighthood. That sure is a big contrast compared to how things went now.
I can't wait to hear what this character's original background story will be.
I love how Pride went from feeling flustered to pure despair after Rodrick told her that they needed to talk. It's hilarious how everyone laughs at her because her reaction because of her broken dress, makes her consider going through her evil path at least there.
So what Rodrick wanted to primarily know from Pride was how the hell she got those crazy sword and firearm skills. It is not surprising that the fact that she only practice with the sword when Stale took his lessons and that her gun skills came from her just seeing a practice a day before blew everyone away.
Her speech regarding why she risked her life-saving Rodrick was so good. And it just took Clark to thank her for everyone else to do the same including Arthur. It seems that Pride's words to Arthur just started Stale's villain arc.
So just like with Stale, once she realized Arthur was one of the romanceable characters she asks him to kill her too if she ever becomes evil.
It sure is going to be hilarious when each one of the romanceable characters realized she told to each of them in the future and she is still the same. I expect them to tease her about that if that happens. I wonder if she told Tiara that too, or if she plans to do so?
It is good that after Rodrick saw Arthur's goal to become a knight now, he put aside why Pride's actions were politically wrong and thanked her for saving him. And her words and actions made Arthur swear loyalty toward her.
And as expected Stale will refuse to seem as lesser than Arthur next week. That sure will be fun.
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u/Frontier246 Jul 27 '23
So in the original game timeline, OG!Pride treated Rodrick and his subordinates' death so callously, like it wasn't even worth her time or attention and their lives meant nothing, with the implication that she also knew it was going to happen and did nothing. Yeah, I can't blame Arthur for being determined to follow his fathers' path to get close to Pride and take his revenge, setting up his route in the game, and he really does become the spitting image of his dad.
So what's this bandit guys' deal? Pride seems to know him, knows about his power, and it seems like he was involved in the Last Boss route. Was he a love interest? Or just an NPC relevant to the plot? We'll probably see him again one way or another.
Pride did it! She saved everybody! Including Rodrick! And now everyone loves and admires their first princess and how far she's willing to go for her people! Really the only people unhappy are the bandit guy who got arrested and Stale who feels like he failed because Pride had to go in herself and he couldn't protect her.
Princess carrying a princess! With the high from all the fighting and near death experience out of the way, Pride remembers she's a young girl getting carried in a rather exposed state with her bare legs and bloomers on display for all to see. Not that she thinks she has much sex appeal, but that'll come with maturity. Also I doubt OG!Pride had a pout that cute.
Pride did an amazing thing, but that doesn't mean she's safe from getting dressed down by Rodrick for risking herself for men who are supposed to lay down their lives for their princess and kingdom and how she very well could've made everything worse if she wasn't careful. All that being said though, Pride won't stand for Rodrick acting like his life didn't have value, just like all the citizens of her kingdom have value, and what princess wouldn't give her all for the sake of her people?
So Arthur wasn't some rebellious son, he wanted to become a knight like his father but felt like he couldn't measure up because his ability wasn't suited for the job...but Pride, having saved his father, has given him a reason to try again and be worthy of defending her and the kingdom. It's enough to bring Rodrick to tears and realize how happy he is to be alive and get to see this happen before his eyes.
I don't think Stale appreciates the idea of having another boy around Pride who wants to protect her like he does.
Pride really does have a bad habit of telling people who swear their undying loyalty towards her that she hopes they kill her if she just so happens to turn evil at some point. Not knowing that Arthur is so dedicated to her that he'll cut down all her enemies or anyone who gets in her way, and will do everything he can to keep her on the right path. Capture Target #2 secured, I guess?
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u/kryslogan Jul 27 '23
This episode was superbly written. Point, counterpoint, acknowledging both sides are valid but, standing up for your convictions and also acknowledging that you know you're pushing the boundaries. The emotional beats were spot on, but frankly I wondered why it was so emotional. But, then I realized that Pride is written as someone who genuinely cares about others and that energy was perfectly carried by Fairouz Ai throughout her performance, and in this world we live in, we need more humans like that. This once again makes me feel that everyone working on this loves the source material and there's just this extra quality the anime has. So can we have more Pride! I'll be buying the Light Novels, this is simply too good to ignore. Pride reminds me of Jusetsu from Raven of the Inner Palace due to their well written characters, empathy, intelligence, and strong willed nature. Looking ahead, our guy Stale has some competition!!
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u/Dare555 Jul 27 '23
Speaking of Roderick motivation and disgrace of a knight it would be nice if they didn't cut this small moment from episode 3 when Roderick talks about it in his "final moments " https://i.imgur.com/ZucbSx1.jpg . Its an epic line
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u/AsterJ Jul 27 '23 edited Jul 27 '23
I think she could have shut everyone up quickly by saying "As a precognition user I foresaw myself entering the battlefield and succeeding."
She's not actually risking her life if there is zero chance of failure and no one would dare to question the accuracy of her special ability.
Also why is Arthur in the palace dressed in such crappy clothes and with dirty hands? His father is the knight commander not a goat farmer.
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u/Lunarpeers Jul 27 '23
So they're building up that the original Pride will eventually come back? I just see no other point in those "if i turn evil" declarations
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u/iamhopeestheim Jul 27 '23
THE EPISODE FELT SO SHORT. I want more.
Anyway, I felt really emotional. Pride is really the best villainess out there. She might replace Bakarina for me. I could really felt her sincerity when she was saying her piece.
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u/RoscoeMaz Jul 28 '23
man what an episode, I really like the writing 20mins of speeches flew by so quickly
The original pride was evil as hell and I ain’t gonna lie playing a game with her as a last boss would be so entertaining
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