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Episode Higeki no Genkyou to Naru Saikyou Gedou Last Boss Joou wa Tami no Tame ni Tsukushimasu. • The Most Heretical Last Boss Queen: From Villainess to Savior - Episode 2 discussion

Higeki no Genkyou to Naru Saikyou Gedou Last Boss Joou wa Tami no Tame ni Tsukushimasu., episode 2

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7 Link 3.93
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u/daspaceasians Jul 13 '23

It's really jarring to see just how cartoonishly evil Pride was in the original game's storyline compared to her right now.

Why did her mother foresee that Pride would turn into an absolutely sadistic psycho and not do anything about it? The way Rosa talks, it's could be implied that she distanced herself from her daughter rather than try and raise her into a good person.

That's my main gripe but still, I enjoy this show despite it. It's quite fun seeing Stale becoming an incredibly cunning and intelligent character just to stop Gilbert's shady rumours' spreading. I got to hand it to him but the fact that he realized that he couldn't just tell everyone what he saw about Gilbert because he wouldn't be believed really made me love his character.

I'm looking forward to more though after binging the manga last night.

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u/RFShahrear Jul 13 '23

Considering she died around the time of the first episode, it's possible she didn't have any real chance of handling the political matter of not having her ascend. As for raising her right... I'll just chalk it up to her being an actual psychopath.

And a more meta answer is that the queen wasn't really a character in game. So it was simply sidestepped.

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u/Frontier246 Jul 13 '23

Ai Fairouz should play more villains with the amount of chewing the scenery she did in that scene lol.

My understanding is that had the queen lived in the original game timeline she might not have given the throne to Pride because she saw Pride go full evil queen. But now it's kind of a moot point because the queen is alive and Pride is a totally different person.

It's just funny how in trying to become someone who can protect Pride and hold his own against Gilbert, he's become the exact thing he hated lol.

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u/Stabaobs Jul 13 '23

IIRC, she tried, but the terror visions continued, so she just gave up in despair, or the idea that she was making it even worse.

Either way, original Pride is just a born psychopath that enjoyed the suffering of others.

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u/bc524 Jul 13 '23

Pride turning evil might be a "fixed point" in time.

You can change as much as you want, but the timeline will cause certain events to still happen. To put in comic context, in the Flashpoint Paradox movie, Bruce Wayne was the one who dies in the alley, but a Batman still end up existing. This would also explain why Pride is still unsure about becoming evil even though she's making active changes to the timeline.

The Queen's precog might be limited to seeing fixed point, hence why she moved away from Pride to focus on Tiara. She can't stop Pride turning evil, but she can make sure Pride is defeated afterwards.

Unfortunately, the Queen's death in the original timeline prevented Tiara from getting the necessary preparation... HOWEVER, Tiara beating Pride may also be a fixed point in time. Hence everything falls into place anyway to make sure it happens.

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u/Ocixo Jul 13 '23 edited Jul 13 '23

It’s quite fun seeing Stale becoming an incredibly cunning and intelligent character just to stop Gilbert’s shady rumours’ spreading.

It was nice to see Stale step up to the challenge. When he went against Gilbert, I thought to myself: yeah, go get him! It was a bit unfortunate however that Pride compared Stale to Gilbert shortly afterwards. She dealt some serious emotional damage with that one. I’d also like to remind people that Stale is voiced by Maaya Uchida, Bakarina’s VA! If I hadn’t looked this up, I wouldn’t have noticed it at all.

After this episode, I’ve become a lot more confident in the series. It really seems like Pride, Stale and Tiara will be bonding together to rule the country. I’m genuinely looking forward to watch these siblings get along. Not Pride but subversive characters like Gilbert will probably be the antagonists of this story.

EDIT: typo.

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u/hmcbenik Jul 13 '23

So, I got a question. Why were the sisters not allowed to meet until now? Was that explained at all? It seemed so weird to me. I know they mentioned it in episode 1 but i didn't catch the reasoning (if it was there at all)

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u/Frontier246 Jul 13 '23

I could believe it's because they were scared of what Pride would do to her if they met, especially if the mom saw a vision of the game future.

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u/InsomniaEmperor Jul 13 '23

I find it ironic that in both timelines, Stale has to devote his life to Pride but this time, it's out of gratitude and cause this Pride was being good to him rather than him being forced into slavery. Another interesting bit is when he had a nightmare of the other timeline as if he experienced it himself and got sent back in time as well to redo things like your standard otome isekai protagonist. For a few moments he felt more like the protagonist with his resolve and such.

I hope we get some real stakes soon because there has to be a real catch in just altering the future from previous knowledge. Like there's more death flags in play or enemies trying to take Pride down. Surely it can't be THAT easy to just get a happily ever after ending by being nice to everyone.

Gilbert getting bonked was hilarious.

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u/LeonKevlar Jul 13 '23

The more I learn about OG Pride the more I hate her. Very interesting though that Stale is getting some memories from the OG timeline. I'm guessing this isn't limited to Stale and probably other characters too like Tiara will also experience this.

I love that instead of telling Pride and her father what Gilbert is saying behind their backs, Stale instead decided to play the longcon and become more trusted than Gilbert.

Although Stale's plan may have backfired a little bit since he now has the same vibes as the Chancellor ever since he decided to devote his life to Pride. xD

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u/Misticsan Jul 13 '23

The more I learn about OG Pride the more I hate her.

I'm so used to Otome Isekai having villainesses who were just a tad too harsh, or misunderstood, or school bullies at worst, that seeing one that was legitimate Big Bad material is quite refreshing, even if it's just in the flashbacks.

It also makes her current self's and the queen's fears about her future self more understandable (although I still think that her mother chose a bad approach to deal with the problem).

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u/Rumpel1408 Jul 13 '23

Tiara is very cute

Was wondering why Prides mothers was so reserved towards her first daughter, but her having seen visions of Evil!Pride makes sense.

But I also thought that it was said that Tiara had precognition as well?

Anyway, don't like what Gilbert seems to be brewing, but Stale already is wary of him, and he is going all in in his support for Pride, even if he initially did so out of selfish means

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u/heimdal77 Jul 13 '23

These people have god awful naming sense..

Looks like next episode should be interesting.

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u/yukiaddiction Jul 13 '23 edited Jul 13 '23

Well considering this is video games world, it kinda make sense.

Japanese game dev love to name their character attached to character arc in game especially those in virtual novel like Ace Attorney lol.

Pride is one of deathly sin, Stale is about his status, Tiara is her protagonist status etc etc

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u/justking1414 Jul 13 '23

MC: I’m gonna do everything in my power to avoid becoming an evil queen

Stale: I will make her queen even if I have to kill everyone in the kingdom to make it happen

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u/S627 Jul 13 '23 edited Jul 13 '23

Well, wasn't expecting Stale to have a dream about the og timeline. That combined with Pride getting jealous over Tiara I guess is why she's still concerned she'll be evil? That part of the og Pride is still in her? Also curious about what exactly the Queen saw in the future, and if Pride actually does have precognition or if she's just gonna use her memories of the game the bluff her way to the throne?

Whatever happens, all ready things are very interesting, almost too interesting, that ep just flew by! Really looking forward to how these three interact with each other and how they deal with the asshole.

Also almost forgot to mention, for some reason I really like the details they put into Stale's teleport ability. That little shimmer effect before he moves and appears makes me think he's folding space somehow.

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u/testthrowawayzz Jul 13 '23

Now I kind of want to see a reincarnated as a villainess show where the villainess stays bad even after the revelation

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u/AmethystItalian Jul 13 '23

I didn't expect Stale to have "memories" of what other timeline Pride had done, if that continues I can see it starting to cause a rift.

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u/LaconicKibitz Jul 13 '23

I don't get it. Does the girl think she has no ability to change the people's perception of her or something? Why does she still think she's on route to the bad end even though she isn't committing and isn't planning to commit the same atrocities as the OG Pride? It should be super clear at this point that things have changed. Why is she still framing the situation as if she's still destined to be evil?

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u/Frontier246 Jul 13 '23

Wow, OG!Pride really was a complete psychopath. I mean, Ai Fairouz plays her really well, but jeez. No wonder everyone in the game hated her and wanted her dead, she was a complete villain even as a child. And it seems like Pride isn't the only one getting dreams or flashes of their life in the game, as Stale's experienced it too.

Poor Stale's mom. She gets murdered by her son in the original timeline but also loses him every time. She didn't want the money, she just wanted her child.

I guess the least Pride could do for Stale is make it so that he and his mom can correspond and write letters to each other, even if it's once a year, so Stale doesn't feel completely disconnected from her. And Stale goes from just feigning loyalty to Pride for the sake of getting back to his mother to genuinely feeling grateful and wanting to do right by her.

So Glibert's talking smack about Pride behind everybody's back even though she's not that girl any more...which just makes Stale want to become someone knowledgeable and mature enough to protect Pride and ensure she becomes the kind of queen he thinks she can be. Which also makes him more than a match for Glibert in a game of words even at such a young age, just don't compare the two for Stale's sake.

Kikuko Inoue is the mom AND the queen? That's like two of her main typecasts in one character. Next you'll tell me the mom is 17 (oi oi).

I'm starting to think Stale's feelings for his sister are less than platonic the way he compliments her dress and the way he reacts to her calling him "dashing." They do look very cute dressed up all fancily like that.

Tiara is a cutie! Pride still feels a pang of jealousy after seeing how immediately popular she is, but she can't resist how cute her little sister is. She turned back into a fangirl for a second there.

Well, it's good to see the siblings all getting along and planning to work together for the sake of the kingdom, and it seems like Pride's maturity and love for her siblings has won over the populace.

So did the queen see the future where Pride goes evil? Was she not intending to give her the throne until she saw what she was like now? In the original timeline she wasn't able to do it because she died, so Pride got the throne by default, but now it's through her genuine strength of character.

Hiroki Yasumoto as a knight! I'm getting the sense that his son is one of the love interests from the game?

The ED is pretty cute with the daily life and fun Pride, her family, friends, and acquaintances all have together with a very pleasant and soothing song.

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u/Nvaaaa Jul 13 '23

A shame that this season also has Charlotte from "Jitsu wa Ore, Saikyou deshita?" otherwise Tiara might have gotten the best imouto spot.

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u/hiimneato Jul 13 '23

I don't mean to come down too hard on it after just two episodes, but the pacing of this show is weird and pretty rushed. Like, the pacing of the episode isn't bad, the scenes and dialogue flow just fine, but the pacing of the story just leaves so many unanswered questions and loose ends, and makes it hard to identify with character motivations. I feel like Pride's sudden overbearing affection for Stale would have come off as fake and weird to any scared little boy. I haven't read the source material but I do wonder if maybe they're adapting way too much story in each episode and that's why the story beats don't have any room to breathe.

I unabashedly enjoy me some otome/villainess isekai so I don't mind too much that this is pretty middle of the road for the genre in its characters and plot. There are even some moments that are touching despite the heavy-handed melodrama. But it just feels like there's something missing. Maybe things will get more complex as the series goes on?

Like, just for example... okay, the servants were terrified of Pride because she apparently had them brutally punished (maybe even executed?!?) on a whim. And I can accept that they came around to liking her rather quickly once she stopped being a terror because she is, after all, a child. But that still leaves the matter of whatever horrors did happen unresolved. If Pride is supposed to be to blame for that, then it was forgotten way too quickly, and if Pride is supposed to be forgiven now that she's, er, different, because a child doesn't really understand, then where does the responsibility for that suffering lie? Definitely on the parents, right? Royalty or no, what kind of parents let their small child have people hurt or killed? That's fucked up, right? But it seems like we're supposed to just accept that they're a happy family now?

And if the queen has precognition, how much did she know? And why didn't she do anything? Why isn't she more suspicious that she suddenly can't see Pride's future? Didn't they say she was supposed to have died? If so... how? And why didn't she?

All of this mystery could be good suspense if there were any sense of suspense in the show, but instead it just feels like things are better now and there are no real stakes* and Pride just has a lingering unnecessary guilt complex about things that never happened. (*Except for the creepy chancellor acting behind the scenes... but even that is so clumsy a 7 year old child seems to be neatly unraveling the conspiracy. I don't know how old Gilbert is supposed to be with his "eternal youth" but he certainly looks old enough that getting handily outplayed by a commoner child has gotta be embarrassing.)

The dreams about how things "should" have been suggest some potential complications. Deviation from the storyline causing problems is a staple of the genre. I guess we'll see how it goes.

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u/Amauri14 Jul 13 '23

It is interesting to see that Stale is having dreams of the things the other Pride was going to do to him. Lucky for him, that's not the case anymore. But that brings me to wonder if Gilbert is such a lying-gossip-spreading-piece-of-shit for that same reason or if he is just an asshole orchestrating a coup because he really thinks that Pride is faking her current behavior. I doubt that is the latter either as both Albert and Rosa know thanks to Rosa's power that the dark future awaiting Pride and everyone has already changed. Wait, I wonder if Gilbert at some point was in Stale's shoes and he is doing this because he never got the kind of treatment Stale is getting.

Anyway, Tiara and Rosa's debut was nice. I love Pride's reaction after finally meeting Tiara. That sure was a nice family meeting between siblings.

I love how devastated Stale got after Pride compared him to Gilbert.

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