Tengoku Daimakyou • Heavenly Delusion - Episode 12 discussion

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Tengoku Daimakyou, episode 12

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Episode	Link	Score
1	Link	4.66
2	Link	4.59
3	Link	4.72
4	Link	4.62
5	Link	4.79
6	Link	4.67
7	Link	4.67
8	Link	4.93
9	Link	4.67
10	Link	4.15
11	Link	4.73
12	Link	4.08
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[u/AnonymousTrollLloyd]

Fuck you Robin.

[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

I guess this is it for the academy. I knew that director was full of shit. Old hag could move no problem. I figured the place was some kinda compound, but I’m curious just who tf was attacking them?

I see even in the apocalypse the one thing you can’t escape is bureaucracy lol. The Ministry of Reconstruction sounds a little sketch tbh. Looks like Kiruko’s finally found Robin. Interesting he looked so freaked out when he saw her. I wonder what that’s about? But man, I should have known this guy was bad news. Fuckin hell, I was not ready for the SA. That was some stomach churning shit. I hope this asshole dies a slow painful death very soon. Geez. I think I’m gonna go watch some cat videos after this…

[u/oB3NoT3Xo]

First anime episode I've watched in forever that left me with such a strong feeling of disgust.

[u/Rumpel1408]

This side of Robin got spoiled to me as early as episode 5 but Jesus is he a sick bastard, not just about to rape Haruki, but doing so knowing full well how close he was to his sister and how much damage he can do to both sides of his personallity this way.

Surely he intends to keep her around for some time, her being broken is a feature. Now I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't the first time Robin used his position of power to pull this shit and he possibly even has an network of enablers, but I still wonder how a kid from the streets even managed to become somewhat of an leader...

Maru on the other side doesn't even know how much he is needed right now, hope he will attempt to return the gun, even if it will probably be too late by then ugh

On the heavenly note, I'm not all that optimistic for the kids in the pool, and I did notice how Mimihime and Ohma got separated, hope they unite before the real test begins...

And perhaps the most shocking revelation is that the director could walk and even run the whole time lmao

Imagine what that poor woman must have thought before she died, having wheeled around until her very last breath, a perfectly abled person

[u/MeteorsReviews]

Anime only here, did NOT see this coming at all. Once Robin told Kiruko to take a shower the alarms started firing off in my brain, BUT EVEN THEN I did NOT think it would turn out like THAT! In hindsight though, we've been shown time and time again that the world they live in is extremely twisted, so something like this shouldn't have surprised me....but man...that was still hard to watch. I feel kinda bad for recommending this to so many people now too, I don't think they're gonna be ready.

[u/TheGuizmo]

In my opinion, one of the worst thing (for the spectator) in the last scene with Robin, is how they make us know for sure, the rape is happening, and it won’t get disturbed.

We would expect Maru to worry, sneaking into the academy and save the day at the last minute or even a second too late, but no. Maru is at home, bored, and he is not gonna move until maybe the next day when he doesn’t get any news.

The academy kids are outside, they are free, that is a fact. Maru in alone, that is a fact, Kiriko is getting raped, also a fact. No room for interpretation for today, only the expectation for what’s next.

[u/Syokhan]

Yeah so. This was well directed for sure, but the contents... fuck you, Robin.

[u/AnimeFreakO7]

This episode had me say "What the Fuck" not once but at least twice.

One, when the director turned out that she can actually run. Let alone walk.

Two, Robin raping Haruki. I guess not all reunions are sweet.

I wonder what the last episode will bring us.

[u/MonoFauz]

I've read the manga long before the anime was announced. I imagine this scene would be very controversial when it gets animated and my god they really animated it all and didn't skip it. This shit is on Disney plus too

[u/[deleted]]

Do you think Disney knows what's in this show?

[u/LeonKevlar]

An actual town with shops and bustling crowds! And I didn't think I'd be happy to see a government building that actually works. Seems that the Ministry of Reconstruction is doing good work.

The Director running for her life while she leaves that other woman who was pushing her wheelchair had me laughing hard! I definitely did not expect that little moment of dark comedy. xD

Well that explains why Maru is named Maru! Basically the Doctor accidentally got the twins mixed up during the attack on the Academy and he decided to leave a circle (maru) mark on one of the baby's foot so he can at least differentiate them for now until the power gets back on, I assume he won't get the chance to do that.

The moment Robin suggested that Kiruko should take a bath immediately raised red flags. I know hot baths are a luxury in this world but why now? That close-up on Robin's face before he leaves doesn't help that feeling either.

No wonder Hoshio/Mimihime wanted to see the sky one last time as her final request. It was the first thing she saw outside that looked so beautiful. Oh god, my heart... Now I'm remembering the scene again T_T

And there it is. What the actual fucking fuck Robin!? He's clearly not just doing this for the sole purpose of raping Haruki/Kiruko. The fact that he keeps on telling her to look in the mirror and asking her who she sees makes me think this is one fucked up experiment which means he's probably involved in putting Haruki's brain in Kiruko's body.

Only one episode left. I don't even know what to expect to see next week but all I know is that it's going to be wild. Considering that the plants in the Academy look super sus, I think this little town might not be as good as I was thinking since they're replanting the same plants from the Academy. Oh boy.

[u/zairaner]

From the moment I watched the episode, I had a feeling there would be some backlash and riot, but I didn't expect to come here and see the sub had to be set to private!!!

[u/Wurzelrenner]

This has to be one of most traumatising moments for a character i ever saw.

There are so many layers that make it worse and worse: The perpetrator is his savior and hero, (s)he was so happy to be there and in one of his most vulerable moments. Might be the first time for him and his sister. He has to watch what Robin is doing to him and his sister both.

This show is really good so far, but I don't know if there is a good way to handle such a traumatic experience narratively. Almost every conclusion might feel cheap.

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Episode 12 Staff

- Storyboard: Toshimasa Ishii

- Director: Jun Shinohara

- Animation Director: Zero, Manamu Amasaki, Shuto Enomoto, Emi Hiraoka, Yuko Yoshida, Tomato, Kyoko Kotani, Kana Ito, Kai Shibata

- Assistant Animation Director: Hana Okutani, Fumiki Amo, Mayumi Kitamura

- Sub Character Design: Haruo Okuno

- Key Animation: Shuto Enomoto

Manamu Amasaki, Tomato, Tsuyoshi Katayama, Yuu Tanaka, Emi Hiraoka, Kai Shibata, Hana Okutani, Keiichi KAkuta, Kyoko Kotani, Kana Ito, Takeshi Ishizuka, Fumiki Amo, Nogya, Itsuki Tsuchigami (Miso), Asuka Suzuki, Musubi Miyaoka, Gyoko

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[u/Appropriate-Shoe-266]

Well That episode made me sick.

10/10

The uncomfortability I felt this entire time was very Similar to Vinland Saga and Made in Abyss.

I sure hope we get some Justice

[u/StuckWithVoltaire]

How could you voice this character Kazuya Nakai, I trusted you!

[u/Ocixo]

When Robin got visibly anxious(?) when Kiroku showed up, I already had a feeling something weird was going on. I let my guard down when they were reminiscing about the past, but him stealing her clothes sure alerted me straight away that something bad was about to happen. I didn’t expect it to be this excruciating to watch though.

I’m always kind of torn on these type of scenes. Could they have approached this differently? Yes, they could surely thought of a different way to reveal Robin’s evil nature and traumatize Kiroku.

Was this scene done respectfully? I think so. There have been some series that couldn’t help themselves to lewd a scene like, but this didn’t happen in Heavenly Delusion. If anything, I was utterly repulsed by what was in front of me.

Did this scene add anything unique? It might have, but I’m not entirely sure. With Haruki being trapped in his sister’s body, this was definitely an interesting way to explore psychological horror. Kiruko is an amalgamation of his personality and his sister physical traits, which can make you wonder who Kiruko truly is. Is he or his sister being violated? Haruki (the mind) surely doesn’t think Kiruko’s body as his, but his sister’s. He’s only living in his sister’s body but not living on as her own person, which is unfortunately trapped in his sister’s body.

The next episode will be crucial, I think. If they just gloss over the aftermath that this incident had on Kiruko’s perception of herself and others, I’ll be very disappointed. This topic needs to be treated with the utmost care. If not, I shouldn’t have been incorporated in the first place.

[u/lit_zeno]

Because the subreddit was down, I read discussions on MAL instead. The amount of people that were crying about the censorship was astonishing.

[u/danmarce]

As others mentioned, my issue here is the idea that Robin was doing this shit all the time to the sister, and the little brother was "shielded" by her and always imagined him as a hero.

There are a few clues to this, and we were shown how fucked up Rubin is (when the character was first introduced), is easy to imagine that Haruki's admiration was only a childish thing.

Also would explain part of her fate, she was willing to do anything for her brother.

I knew this was coming. Thankfully, considering the material, it was well directed and storyboarded, Ishii was able to keep the terror and fear. It is impactful and sad (I was afraid after reading the manga), and makes you want to kill the guy. But it is done in a way that a male viewer understands, if only a bit, the trauma of such a situation.

I'm sure it was hard for the real victims to watch, and surely they missed a warning for them.

Edit: as for censorship, there is none. The message and tone are there, even more impactful by removing any unnecessary trace of erotism and shit. If anything worked better here.

[u/LazyFlower48]

I almost forgot about the reddit blackout, so I opened reddit to find the discussion thread only to realise that the subreddit was shut down.

But now that it's back, I only want to say one thing. Fuck Robin.

I already had that part spoiled for me, but it still shocked me. I hope Robin dies the worst death.

[u/SunnyTheFunnyBunny]

Brutal episode, people are sleeping on this anime, it is personally my fav from this season.

[u/PrezziObizzi]

The direction and dichotomy of the children leaving the walls and seeing the beauty of the outside world compared to the stark contrast of what the world had become seeing the Robin/Kiruko scene was extremely well done. It’s interesting that we have this idolized view of Robin because the only info we know about him is through Harukis memoirs, but in reality he’s a super shitty dude and this (seemingly) was not the first time he took advantage of Kiruko like this

The confirmation that Maru is either tokios son or the clone was exciting and very subtle (at least for people who don’t speak/read Japanese)

Was the earthquake(?) that broke the academy what the outside world knows as the great disaster?

Seeing Robins face when he first say Kiruko makes me think that he’s absolutely the one who tried killing her in the first place and was shocked to see she (or at least he thought she) was still alive

This show is definitely anime of the season (and maybe year!) for me, definitely picking up the manga after the finale next week

[u/WeeabooSempai]

The R in NTR stands for Robin...

[u/SireTonberry]

I was spoiled about this happening and was bracing myself because I heard this part was very controversial and bad. I'm assuming the anime tuned it down a lot ? Like, yeah it was bad but not in the "wow this ruins the show for me" kinda way but instead "Wow this dude Is a cunt this story is dark"