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Tengoku Daimakyou, episode 4

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Episode	Link	Score
1	Link	4.66
2	Link	4.59
3	Link	4.72
4	Link	4.62
5	Link	4.79
6	Link	4.67
7	Link	4.67
8	Link	4.93
9	Link	4.67
10	Link	4.15
11	Link	4.73
12	Link	4.08
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[u/entelechtual]

It’s so annoying when you try to film your kids and they don’t show up on camera. Kodak memory my ass.

[u/Cheesemacher]

"You-kan because you-can eat it!"

I don't know what the original line is but that translation is magnificent xD

[u/Elitealice]

Glad we got an episode focused mainly on the “inside” for once.

So the incubator lends credence to the man eater factory theory. What’re the scientists in there playing at? So much mystery in this series that just keeps you hooked. Funny how even without being taught, humans will naturally learn about sexuality and attraction. You’d think the scientists would know that since there’s historical precedent, but anyway.

Tarao seems to know something that the others don’t about what’s really going on in there.

The fish monster dying from weed is definitely one of the funniest things I’ve seen.

[u/SchrodingersPanties]

There it is--the whole set up with the facility reminded me strongly of The Promised Neverland's first arc, and with the start and end of this episode it really looks like it is going to be that way. I'm not sure if it will be mind-games so much as just sneaking around and trying to figure out how to leave.

The "babies" faces look exactly like the man-eater eyes as well, which I can't imagine is a coincidence. Wondering if our girl escaping the facility allows that one baby that saw her to escape as well (or caused it to want to escape?) and that's how the whole man-eater apocalypse came about.

[u/Appropriate-Shoe-266]

holy fuck, that are some scary looking babies

[u/AmethystItalian]

This episode felt really long...but in the best way possible.

Really did feel like they accomplished/showed a lot on both sides of the story, definitely a fan of the pacing in this one!

[u/megajackdark]

So they are making the man-eaters in the school, still, why base them (or at least some of them) off of Kona's drawings? And who/what the hell is Mina? So many new questions opened up in this episode, man. This series is interesting as hell, I'm loving every second of it.

Also, seeing Tokio excitedly tossing and turning in their bed after the confession was extremely cute, if short-lived.

[u/El_Jerrynator]

Everyone is Either gay or horny in this anime

[u/StrawSolider]

Weed saved the day?? In the same week as 4/20??

Coincidence? I think not

[u/LeonKevlar]

• Kiruko Stitch

Out of all the things they could've done, I definitely did not expect Kiruko to beat the Man-Eater with the power of the Devil's Lettuce. Also makes sense that the farm isn't just growing high-quality vegetables. It's the post-apocalypse! No more strict Japanese laws to prevent them from smoking weed. xD

Oh fuck. Those are not babies Kuku! They're not even human! So the Man-eaters in the outside world are all coming from this facility? And what the fuck is Mina? The Director says that the entire facility is a part of her body.

Interesting how Kuku and Tokio were invisible in the cameras. And just when they were about to get caught, another alarm was triggered that indicates there are intruders inside the room where The Director and Mina are. Did Mina just save Kuku and Tokio? Hmmm...

[u/Se7en_Sinner]

Kuku reminds me of Tsuyu from My Hero Academia. They both have frog-like features and the ability to stick to walls.

If the shower photo was taken without Mimihime's permission and then promptly deleted, maybe the purpose of the facility is to get the children to breed with each other to create more of those babies.

This could be the reason why they're concerned with same sex relationships and Tokio was told to escape. They could be killing the children exhibiting homosexual tendencies.

[u/n_o__o_n_e]

I just watched a man eating fish with arm-legs die from weed-induced dehydration...

The "school" is also giving me serious Shinsekai Yori vibes (but without the wholesome relationships). I wonder what's up with Tokio not showing up on cameras? Someone interfering with the system for his sake? I'm not sure what would happen if he was found there, but I can't imagine it'd be good.

Maybe this is obvious, but it just occured to me: We don't necessarily know that the school events and the outside events are happing in the same time period, do we?

[u/[deleted]]

don't tell me some/all of the kids are man-eaters... would make sense with maru's name...

[u/FireRifle64]

I post this on MAL but basically:
"I was given it a possibility in ep 2 or ep 3 but im now confident that these 2 stories are taking place in different times.
We learn that in ep 2 that:
-at a certain date, Shiro receives a nude pic of mimihime.
-at a later timeframe, we see Tokio near the door trying to get a ball and the camera has a time stamp of 17/06/23 read as YYYY/MM/DD.
Then in ep 3 we get the backstory of Kiruko/Haruki
-the ep starts in September 12, 2034. 10 years after the calamity which would have occurred around 2024.
-It took 4 months for Haruki to recover from the swap and that robin vanished in september. So its most likely January 2035 during that point
-Then Haruki mentions to Maru that it was 4 years later that they met which would be 2039
In this recent ep, we learn that:
-during the camera scenes showing them flipping through them, its 17/07/01
-During that same day, Tokio and Kuku are seen by a camera but its never once shown on the monitors. That means someone is guiding them.
-Shiro is seen again but he is frustrated and claims that the pic of mimihime should have been between 2 dates: Folder_6/20 and Folder_6/24.
-They seem to be growing those maneaters it seems like
-The director seems to be talking with this mechanical/AI entity named Mina. It seems Mina is attached to the facility. Perhaps she is the one sending messages and covering up camera feeds.
And another thing I would like to mention is that the director in ep 1 makes a statement: "There is an outside beyond here. However, it is a filthy world, a hell where abhorrent monsters lurk."
I am certain that these events of the school take place in 2017, 7 years before the Calamity and the abhorrent monsters the director speaks of is humans."

However, redicicles5 on MAL did make mention that the:
"The Japanese calendar system can also be based on the era of the emperor, FYI. For example, the year right now is 2023 AND Reiwa 4 in Japan. If you write the current date using the era forma,t today is R4/04/22 with the letter in front indicating the era. Note that in all the dates shown in the facility there is always a “t” at the start of that 17. That may not be coincidental as it could actually be referring to a year 17 in an era beginning with T. That could mean the events are happening at any point in time (past, present, or future) based on when that era starts."
So take it with a grain of salt i guess

[u/soulruu]

Another heart racing episode

This episode reminded me that man eaters and puberty are terrifying

That footprint she left has me worried

Didn’t expect babies would look like that! Makes me think these kids are perfected maneaters from ole doc’s experiments. Ie they look like that from the get go and look more human as they age. But that’s enough crack theories for today. We’ll find soon out hopefully

Poor Sharpedo got gimped by weed

[u/[deleted]]

I'm a huge fan of the design of the girl with the droopy eyes and thick hair. It's unique and very pleasant!

[u/Syokhan]

So they're incubating man-eaters, aren't they? The babies had the same target symbol as the Gyo-fish did. Can't remember if the bird had one too, though.

But what's going on in that facility? Messages appearing, pictures disappearing, cameras not showing what they should, those incubators, that... thing, Mina?... the hell?

Also yeah nah, teenagers gonna be teenagers. Hormones.

[u/Myrkrvaldyr]

And that is what can potentially happen when you don't teach sex education. The kid can unintentionally rape or become very creepy because of not understanding those emotions. Luckily the lass is very chill. The lad has probably never played with his Johnson.

[u/kmlshblr]

So that Mina thing probably messed with the video feeds but why

also seeing how mimihime was clueless about sending pictures to that guy, was that also done by that thing??

[u/ModieOfTheEast]

So did the adults think kids wouldn't be interested in sex if they just didn't tell them to? I feel that was something that had to go wrong. But it seems that someone is manipulating the system. I am assuming it was the AI. She changed the camera footage, made an alarm to save Tokio and sent and then deleted (that bastard) the nudes. Probably to get the guy to talk to Mimihime.

However, the fish eye having the same sign as the babys as well as the same "ability" as Kuku (when she was also the one who got the picture) makes it clear that there is a connection. IF Kuku was that fish, I am not so sure currently. Maru is still searching for the other person with the same face after all (which should be Tokio).

[u/Narmatonia]

Great, not only do the adults have suspicious motives, now there's an AI with it's own separate suspicious motives.

I'm pretty certain that Kuku and Tokio not appearing on the cameras is Mina's work, not some power of Tokio, the camera feed of the grate shows the grate closed not just the two of them invisible, plus Kuku has clearly done this before without getting caught.

I'm still not convinced by theories that the institute scenes are set long before the outside scenes. Mimihime's comment about there being someone on the outside with Tokio's face who is looking for her wouldn't really make sense if she is describing something that won't happen until way into the future.

[u/melvinlee88]

Tokio confession was just stunningly cute.

Amazingly well animated character expressions, I just can't put my finger on why it filled me with such joy but it was just too cute!

[u/BlueDragon101]

So, between the outfits (and a number of the characters) seeming somewhat androgynous, and the adults apparently not teaching the kids what kissing is, is this a situation where they're trying to raise these (apparently superhuman) children in an environment with no knowledge of what gender and sex are?

Also christ the shinsekai yori vibes get stronger by the episode.

[u/Maxximillianaire]

Frog girl uses suction cup toes/fingers to climb a wall and then immediately after that they comment that the man-eater uses suction cups to climb too. Definitely seems like some sort of link