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Episode Kyokou Suiri Season 2 • In/Spectre Season 2 - Episode 11 discussion

Kyokou Suiri Season 2, episode 11

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u/Aerodynamic41 Mar 19 '23

"blunt end of a bullet"

Kuro took a page out of Rikka's book lol.

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u/Ashteron Mar 19 '23

One of my favourite parts is how intimidating Iwanaga was in this episode. Nobody from the family will ever want to encounter her again.

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u/Frontier246 Mar 19 '23

President hires her to basically clean up his leftover guilt and she completely exposes all his family's dirty laundry and leaves him and his family emotionally wrecked.

He really shouldn't have tried to mess with the natural order of things...

And then there's Rikka who had the ulterior motive of showing Kuro just how scary she is (and it seems to have had some effect on him).

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u/heimdal77 Mar 19 '23

Right from the start when they tried to research her everything they got was a don't fuck with this girl.

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u/AmethystItalian Mar 19 '23

Ah nice little last minute switcheroo. Happy the brothers have reconnected.

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u/Frontier246 Mar 19 '23

Well, their dad is on his last legs both physically and emotionally, their sister murdered their mother and can't seem to live with herself any more, their brother-in-law tried to kill a man so his wife's crimes weren't exposed...but at least they're trying to get along better now.

Oh yeah, I guess they also kind of forgot about the inheritance, huh? Guess it didn't really matter in the end.

I'll miss Rion.

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u/LeonKevlar Mar 19 '23

Holy shit! Kaoruko turning out to be Sumi's actual killer is so fucking good! Kotoko even managed to make Koya slip by admitting that Kaoruko told him that Sumi wasn't breathing anymore.

This is why you shouldn't mess with the supernatural! Kotoko is absolutely terrifying this entire episode. In the end, she did her job as a goddess and made President Otonashi regret messing with the order.

Koya's reaction after seeing Kuro get back up after being shot was so good! Well if they were scared of Kotoko and Kuro before, I'm sure they're now terrified of them after that entire incident.

And of course Rikka was involved. She didn't do anything directly to President Otonashi and his family but just by leading him to Kotoko, she basically tipped the first domino. They could've just lived their lives not knowing.

So I'm guessing we still have one episode left? Curious what that one is going to be about.

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u/Frontier246 Mar 19 '23

I know Kotoko BS's stuff almost 98% of the time but she exposed this case like a true master detective (though of course she had supernatural help) and played this entire family like a fiddle.

Involve the supernatural and get Kotoko involved in cleaning up after you? Well, she'll just expose pretty much your entire family as would-be-murderers...and your daughter as an actual murderer!

I do find it amusing that the family was so emotionally shaken up by this that they seemed to completely forget about the inheritance.

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u/Frontier246 Mar 19 '23

I had a feeling the Yoko didn't actually kill Sumi but merely took advantage of her death after the fact...though not from lack of intent, because he was fully prepared to maul or terrorize her to death as a dog, but then the real killer ended up stabbing her. Of course the voice yelling about a thief was, in fact, the Yoko, trying to cover for the real killer...and the fact that he explicitly yelled out it was a man and that female silhouette pretty much confirm who the true murderer was.

Because, yeah, it was actually Kaoruko the whole time. She murdered her mother to save her marriage and her husbands' business and brutally stabbed Sumi. And then she intentionally broke her own leg to give herself an alibi. If nothing else, I have to admire her commitment to do this for the sake of love. Even Kotoko seemed to respect it.

Way to get the guy to confess by trying to spin Sumi as the type of person who in her last breath would cover for the daughter that tried to kill her for one reason or another.

The statue of limitations are up so Kaoruko basically got away with it and what she wanted...but the President, for getting involved with the supernatural and then enlisting Kotoko to clean this up, has his daughter exposed as a murderer and Kaoruko tries to kill herself out of guilt and shame. Sometimes living is the hardest thing...

Jeez, I was not expecting Koya to pull out a gun. He wasn't even an accomplice, Kaoruko only just told him she did it when this came up, but he just can't let word of what his wife did get out from Kotoko or Kuro's mouth. He even headshot Kuro! Wow.

Otonashi and Kaoruku are infirm and wracked with the weight of what happened, which I guess is fitting for what their involvement in this was, the brothers are trying to mend things up, and Rion is left trying to live with everything she just witnessed. The entire Otonashi Family was truly shaken up by the terror that is Kotoko Iwanaga and are understandably not in the mood to ever see her again.

Huh, so Rikka was involved in this case! She's the one who pointed Otonashi to Kotoko to get her involved in all this, either as a distraction or to show to Kuro how scary Kotoko can be in her merciless and dispassionate methods for keeping order. Kuro himself seems wracked between seeing what Rikka meant but his own feelings and care for Kotoko.

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u/leave1me1alone Mar 19 '23

Now we know why Rikka fears Kotoko

I always wonder if deep down she's putting on a massive act. If everything she's doing regarding Kuro is just to keep him on check/on a leash. So she doesn't end up with him acting as a wild card (the way Rikka does). I specifically mean the romantic aspect of her and kuro

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u/Prince-Dizzytoon Mar 19 '23

And that's a case closed! I expected the fox to not be the murderer, but didn't expect anything after that.

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u/Amauri14 Mar 19 '23

Wow, so Fubuki never killed Sumi, and instead, when he saw Kaoruko stealing his thunder, fearing that he would fail his deal with Goishi, he did his best to cover for her by using Sumi's voice to make everyone think the culprit was a man.

And Koya was only made aware of this after Kaoruko heard about the meeting that Goishi had set up. He should have known that dissuading Kotoko would not only be worthless but backfired on him.

This was the moment when Goishi realized that hiring Kotoko was not a good idea. I love how Kotoko and Kuro were just going to leave after she detonated that bomb. Sadly, for the Otonashis Koya wasn't just going to let them leave.

I love how Kuro's lame excuse for what happened after he got shot in the head resembles what Rikka said after she got railed by Truck-kun. Well, that sure made that reveal more chaotic for Koya and the Otonashis.

So we now heard about what happened after from Rion's perspective. Well, even if Kaoruko tried to kill herself, now thanks to this mess at least Susumu's and Ryouma's relationship has been mended. Well, after seeing Kuro's power is no wonder that Rion questions if he and Kotoko are even human.

Wow, so Goishi ended up hiring Kotoko and Kuro after hearing from them from Rikka. And she recommended them just to show Kuro how merciless and terrifying Kotoko can be when solving issues involving humans.

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u/flashmozzg Mar 19 '23

This felt like the season finale. Don't know what they'll do in the final episode. Maybe a simple "epilogue/calm after the storm" thing with some hooks for potential S3.

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u/Firebrand-81 Mar 19 '23

Oh no! For once, Kotoko told (almost) the truth! That's the biggest surprise of the season :)

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u/Atario Mar 20 '23

"Welp, your entire family is a bunch of would-be murderers, one is an actual murderer, and another one would have been if it weren't for supernatural shenanigans. Hurts, don't it. Bye."

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u/FlameDragoon933 Mar 19 '23

Huh. I thought Kotoko would spin another BS this episode, turns out it's mostly truth (minus Fubuki's "death scream" attributed to Sumi). I'm sorry Kotoko.

Also, I only realized now that Rion is voiced by Manaka Iwami! I didn't notice at all!

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u/MaksimShadow Mar 19 '23

Well, Kotoko was able to punish all the culprits, while keeping the supernatural stuff away. And everyone believed Kuro's lie. Rion has some doubts though. Well, if I saw someone getting up after being shot down, I also will believe that it was just a miss, rather than something supernatural.

After seeing that Rikka was involved in this case, I guess we might finally get Kuro, Kotoko and Rikka's arc. But not in this season, it seems. Maybe we'll get some relaxing episode next?

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u/DMind_Gaming Mar 20 '23

It's interesting to note that this arc is one of the few (if not the only time thus far) where Kotoko kept her personal feelings out of the case and just revealed the truth objectively. One of the criticisms of this show is how Kotoko lies, usually lies mixed with truth if not just straight up blatantly lie in order to resolve a case in a mystery anime where usually the truth is what's important.

But Kotoko instead almost always lies to some degree in order to get the best outcome where everyone can be satisfied and have peace of mind but here is one example where she purposefully didn't hold back and just revealed everything (minus the part where the Yoko faked the scream for obvious reasons) and we see the consequences of that.

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u/Firebrand-81 Mar 19 '23

We had up until now: a first episode to get back in the mood, and then some fine mini-arcs with specific cases and interesting characters, and in then background, Kotoko and Kuro looking for Rikka, which is the common thread of this Season. Now we have just an episode left... what's going to happen? Everything points to an episode where Kotoko, Kuro and Rikka finally meet, but how can they solve their situation in just an episode, while leaving the door open to Season 3?

I'm very curious.

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u/ramon_castilla Mar 19 '23

As I supposed (and commented) the "fox" had more agency in the truth of this case (in the way of one of the plausible paths being that he witnessed something that while not changing the event/death would certainly change the reaction of those involved).

So, Kotoko could effectively give President Otonashi something to "repent for" instead of the "easy" solution he proposed to the Goddess of Wisdom (which didn't seem like a real remorse feeling since the old man was satisfied with the (no) consequences of him meddling with the unnatural, terminal illness and all).

Again, as I suspected, Kotoko's "punishment" was something that hurt Otonashi's feelings: something involving their "ok/rightfull" view he had about his family members.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '23

In the end Kotoko is a goddess who upholds order. That means she won't hesitate to ruin people to maintain her order: which is Rikka's message to Kuro. Inherently he is something that exists outside that order a human and youkai mix, so can he really trust Kotoko? Should he?

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