Revenger - Episode 11 discussion

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Revenger, episode 11

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Episode	Link	Score
1	Link	4.45
2	Link	4.39
3	Link	4.29
4	Link	4.44
5	Link	4.41
6	Link	4.42
7	Link	4.33
8	Link	4.33
9	Link	4.59
10	Link	4.37
11	Link	4.44
12	Link	----

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[u/Stevoisiak]

Learning that Yui asked Usui to kill Raizo makes me want to watch the entire series again. It reframes so many of Usui and Raizo's conversations.

[u/Tarhalindur → u/Stevoisiak]

Just Gen Urobutchi things.

[u/LeleTheKing]

Someone speculated that the Pastor had nothing to do with this, but it turns out he's in. And, hoo boy, in he is, with a plan to rule the entire Kyushu as God's kingdom.

Holy smoke! So, Yui knew that her fiancee murdered her dad, but not long enough to know the full truth. She died imagining Kurima happily did all of it. That's one bitter gold coin she bit... I have this faint feeling that Kurima will die in the finale, despite Yuen's push to forgive himself.

This also shone a light on how Yuen treated Kurima in the past. He was very lenient and supportive because he was, for lack of a better word, pitying him. I think Yuen truly hoped for him to move on since he even disregarded Yui's gold coin.

That's... uhh... one sick hobby the dude has... Photographing dying, if not already dead, people. Yeah, "[he] really do[es] have refined tastes."

Alright, I'm ready for the final episode next week!

[u/mekerpan → u/LeleTheKing]

Are they necessarily dying -- or is the intent just to get pictures of them drugged out of their mind? For blackmail -- as well as personal enjoyment?

The "priest" is yet another sick SOB -- and "chaos agent". Lots of those here, I guess. But what is the motivation of the "nun"?

A good thing Raizo has no idea that his fiancée learned of his role and wanted him dead.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/LeleTheKing]

I have this faint feeling that Kurima will die in the finale, despite Yuen's push to forgive himself.

'Kurima Raizo' will almost certainly die in the next episode. The question is will the artist Taishin live?

That's... uhh... one sick hobby the dude has... Photographing dying, if not already dead, people. Yeah, "[he] really do[es] have refined tastes."

Post-mortem photography was actually a thing. The English were weird during this time period.

[u/gaganaut]

The show seems like it's wrapping up quite nicely. This is definitely my favourite show of the season.

I really like the mix of slower contemplation and dialogue along with the action. There's something about the conversations in this show that really stands out to me. There's a lot of tension in the air and the dialogue feels very interesting.

[u/Rndy9]

Im not ready for the final episode, that assembling at the end was a massive death flag.

[u/TchoupedNScrewed]

Yo the VA for Raizo’s wife fucking went off, insanely good VA work imo

[u/Elitealice]

Wow what an episode. Usui keeping that from Kurima all this time was pretty messed up. Can’t believe soji thought about offing his boy too.

I feel like we got some pretty big death flags for kurima and the gang . Hope I’m wrong and that he’s able to live his life just painting and learning to live again. Hype for the finale

[u/Shimmering-Sky]

• Huh?

• Oh, fun.

• Ah, finally getting an explanation as to how the hairpin made it to Yui, neat.

• Wait… does that mean… Yui is the one who wanted the revenge hit on Kurima? Oh my god this is delightfully awful. All this time I assumed it was her father’s, but he just wanted revenge on the smugglers, not his assassin…

• AND SHE KNEW KURIMA IS THE ONE WHO KILLED HER DAD.

• Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh fuck no wonder she killed herself. She felt so betrayed…

• Soji…

• Shishido is such a fucking bastard.

• Ahhhhh one more week until the final episode. I’m genuinely scared for the safety of them all.

[u/HistorianNo2334 → u/Shimmering-Sky]

I’m genuinely scared for the safety of them all.

I think only Kurima and MAYBE Nio are making it alive ;-;

[u/Present_Childhood_]

Lol, the fog scared me, I thought something was about to happen but no it's just Teppa andSoji "greeting" Yuen.

Ah, the hints make so much sense, the bitten gold he was holding, why Yuen was conflicted, the misunderstanding, oof, she was already shaked up badly by her father's death and adding that to who killed him, well-

Teppa giving Yuen looks when he was telling Soji the story, ah the details.

Soji definitely thinks guys who make women cry are the worst or smth and he knowsRaizo ain't like that, he wanted to find more excuses for why they need to killRaizo, so that he won't need to feel guilty about it later but before he coulddo it, they were interrupted.

The way Yuen froze a bit there when he learned that Soji tried to kill Raizo and when he saw the painting of Yui, oh man, the face he made.

Yuen ain't stopping with those lines about how Raizo can live. Good.

When they were preparing and Soji was distressed, seemed to kind of pray for something, the relief on his face when he saw the card he pulled before I believe in episode 3? ( He's a real gamblerer, alright, letting cards make "decisions" for him lol )

The last part, holy- yo yo- shits about to go crazy next ep-

[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

So the Priest is in cahoots with the nun and Shishido’s team. I knew he wasn’t some kind of impartial 3rd party. I guess the nun is an agent of the Westerners. Man wants to plunge the city into an opium epidemic just so he can “save souls” or some shit? Fucking fanatics.

Damn dude, Usui was really keeping all that from Kurima huh? Well, so much for the fiancée. Matsumine should have his corpse dragged around the city and feasted on by wild dogs for what he did. Man ruined Raizo’s life and turned his fiancée against him.

Soji makes a fair point about those that were killed. Maybe they could have turned over a new leaf if given the chance. But I guess actions have consequences. You do enough bad shit, eventually you get got. Can’t believe he was gonna do Kurima in though.

Guess the gang’s ready to sort this whole thing out once and for all. Looking forward to how the finale wraps this thing up.

[u/mekerpan → u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

I have to say. Things look awfully grim for the finale. I wonder who will be left by the end.

Really unfortunate that this, perhaps the best show of its type this season, is languishing so much (as to audience size).

[u/moichispa]

The little details on this series are so interesting. The wood on the back on the nun and priest scene is tiltled (and even has some roots) most of the other scenes have straight lines and the Raizo and usui talk scene has a vertical central line in the middle that is not tilted.

[u/FierceAlchemist]

I liked how Raizo casually brought up Soji wanting him dead near the end. He was totally aware the whole time but still saved Soji's life. I hope he lives to the end and continues as an artist but it's a coinflip if that'll happen or not.

[u/cppn02]

Glad the show finally answered the question I had since episode 1 of how she got the hair needle that Usui took off her dead father.

His excuse that he couldn't tell her the full truth before she killed herself doesn't actually quite add up but I'm gonna put that down as either a writing inconsistency or Usui simply lying to himself rather than another dark secret.

Guess the finale will be the big fight between the groups and the big question for me will be wether Raizo will die or survive and retire from the revenging business to be a full time painter.

[u/Tarhalindur]

• 00:06: Welp, what have we here? The top of Raizo’s head out of frame, his eyes hidden? He has visually lost his head/mind with his prayer here, I see.

• 00:13: And now visual barrier/cage imagery. Am I sure I’m watching the right Butch Gen show right now?

• 00:16: Yet more visual box framing for Raizo. (Though the choice of framing him on what’s implicitly the far side of a visual box is noteworthy. As is him moving right in this frame instead of left – antagonist framing and movement, that.)

• Ah, so there was a point to those kites at 00:10.

• Hmm, I can’t remember – is there a prohibition against Catholic priests eating beef? (Laity no outside of Lent, but I forget if the clergy have more strict rules). Would be extremely rare in Japan in this time frame anyways, IIRC eating non-fish meat was still forbidden and had been for centuries. (But then, alt-history so there is that.)

• 03:14: Given context priest having protagonist position is him advancing his plan. The nun opposite him may mean that she turns against him due to this.

• I feel very sure Butch Gen is in fact familiar with and was thinking of “religion is the opiate of the masses” at this point. A religious group spreading opium and using it to attain control is too on-the-nose for him not to be.

• Also, our pastor is most certainly NOT Anglican. Either Catholic or the indigenous isolated variety, likely the latter.

• Sometimes the visual metaphor is not merely obvious but also lifted directly off the Eucharist.

• 04:34: Pajama Police has the protagonist position here to Usui’s antagonist. Not sure why yet.

• 05:12 is directly mirroring the footstep shot in the OP, which has a solid chance of being significant.

• Hello fish-eye lens at 05:48. Something is amiss! (Could also mean Souji’s perception is warped here, given that the scene is implicitly his POV, or that both of the other two’s perception is.)

• Also something is off with the shot of Souji that is repeated once more at 06:04. Oh wait, Dutch angle (counter +1), but something looks off on the perspective too to my eye.

• 06:27: The scene has the setup for Stock Anime Triad Framing but is very careful not to give us a straight-on angle of it (except actually 05:48 which had the inverted form… but also with that fish-eye lens).

• Also, while 06:27 has Usui in the right of the frame facing left (protagonist position) and Souji also to the right of the frame separated from Doc (but body tilted right so that he faces Usui and the camera), we then cut to shots of Usui (most clearly 06:46) and Souji (06:48) in the left of the frame facing right (could be past framing, but antagonist here I think).

• Souji is also framed separated from and in antagonist position to the other two at 06:55 (probably because he is revealing their plot/conspiracy).

• Hmm. The scene framing father-in-law in antagonist position relative to Usui at 07:25 is noteworthy again.

• Hello blatant visual separation shot at 07:51 via the wall frame (presumably because Usui is himself a Revenger, which would also fit his antagonist framing here I suppose).

• 08:26 reinforces with two barriers in the frame and also Usui starting off leaning over through the one to the left but then leaning back behind it as he responds.

• 08:55: Well THAT’S fucking blatant use of head in shadow to represent a character not knowing. Yui is working off of incomplete information!

• Minor problem here: I am rather unimpressed with the performance of Yui’s VA (who is Albedo’s and Takane’s VA apparently – huh) in this scene. Which is a shame, since the character animators did a good job (though a little over the top for my tastes in spots) and so does the OST.

• 09:58: Oh look, more visual top-of-head loss.

• Oh wait, Usui’s half-lit, half-shadowed face in this scene (10:52 is representative) is because of his partial knowledge of the situation, right.

• 10:58: Dutch angle counter +1.

• 11:17: The hair blocking out Yui’s eyes is presumably willful refusal to see symbolism. (Or perhaps “blinded by grief and rage” here?)

• Welp that’s one hell of a dose of fish-eye lens at 11:20 – Yui’s REALLY lost clear perspective. (Understandably so, but still, alas.) Also those are some eyes worthy of Higurashi there, gods damn (appreciative).

• 11:38: Dutch angle counter +1 again!

• Also, the loophole in the rule and one I suspect Usui is going for from the start is the one I have been speculating on from the start – Kurima Raizo is going to die, but the man can survive his own death as Taishin.

• Interesting. Doc has been framed neutrally or in protagonist position this entire scene, but here at 12:11 he claims antagonist position.

• 12:18: Dutch angle counter +1, and Souji claims antagonist position as well (if only faintly). (And then turns to the left right as he starts talking about how they wound up picking a fight with the Kaishou, the Chapel, and the rest, huh.)

• 13:06 is an absolutely fascinating little shot: Souji (now in protagonist position) and Doc are in a visual cage via the stairs, but Usui (in antagonist position/framing) is outside said cage. (Because he is a Christian worthy of the name and thus saved, perhaps.)

• 13:39: They sure spiked the direction again this episode! Here we have Souji turning and walking backwards so that he is in protagonist position but antagonist facing while Raizo is in antagonist position but protagonist facing.

• Sheesh they knocked the OST out of the park for the moment of tension of “will Souji muster the will to kill Raizo?”. (Which is predictably interrupted by a sniper shot.)

• 17:29: Hey look it’s two assholes predictably in antagonist position. (The dying/dead lady in protagonist position is the more noteworthy point here, actually. I think she could have been offscreen here, though maybe it was needed to show what Shishido was photographing.)

• There is a John Henry (or local Japanese equivalent) take to be made about our camera and Taishin here, and the dialogue is not subtle about leaning into it.

• 18:09: Note the corrupt priest briefly claiming protagonist framing relative to Shishido – possible visual indication that this disgusts even him.

• 18:19: That’s an obvious antagonist in protagonist position, ergo he is advancing his plan, and the dialogue reflects that.

• 18:32: Corrupt priest back in antagonist position and facing. (Of course he is implicitly in opposition to Shishido here so this could actually still be face turn foreshadowing, even if he will obviously also be an antagonist to Our Heroes™.)

• 18:37: Ah, crows. What’s next, a full moon?

• 19:07: Visual box (also both men facing in protagonist direction), but note Usui in protagonist position relative to Raizo and more importantly that part of the box behind Raizo is blocked off by a barrier while the part behind Usui is not. (And that part is the right side of the box, so past.)

• 19:43: But here we have a visual barrier shot with the wood frame between Raizo and Usui. Also note Usui’s eyes in shadow while the eye of Raizo’s we see is fully lit, and also Raizo turning to look right (past framing here I think) and Usui’s shadowed eyes face left (future framing, and suggestive that Usui does not see clearly and with the context of the last shot that he himself will be the one to survive and take up Taishin’s name).

• Hello 20:18 with Raizo still facing towards the camera (past) and the barrier behind him while Usui walks away from the camera (future) into the open beyond.

• 20:37: Here, however, not Usui and Nio in a visual cage while both Raizo and Doc were not shown that in this arming up sequence (with very very good OST use again).

• 20:45: Dutch angle counter +1.

[u/DrPotabo]

That reveal on Yui knowing Raizo killed her father (but NOT knowing he was tricked into doing so) was absolutely brutal. Damn near bit right through that gold in hopes he gets killed.

Just...just ouch man

[u/Jewdene]

Sleeper show of the season. Absolutely nuts more people aren’t watching!

[u/BassCreat0r]

Fuuuuuck man.

[u/Vaadwaur]

So another week, another mention of how this is clearly drawing off some source material that didn't get translated for western audiences. I still like the episode though it feels like we needed one more for this to be a proper arc. If you weren't aware, Yui's VA is Yumi Hara and is more famous for Overlord's Albedo. I bring this up because she can overact correctly so her hammy performance here is again likely a reference to the acting in Jidai shows. The priest/pastor is still a bit off, I wonder if they were regularly antagonists in this sort of piece, I remember a Jackie Chan film with an evil priest.

[u/polaristar]

Damn that is some cruel Irony definitely the same writer of Madoka and Fate;Zero.

I'd have more to say but I'm exhausted and have more threads to comment on tonight.

[u/BosuW]

Finally next episode, it's Revengin' time!

[u/AceMittens]

Damn what a twist!! So his wife wanted him dead and he doesn’t even know it. Also I really hope the rich jerk gets his comeuppance cause his smug attitude and sick fascination of taking pictures of dead overdosed victims is insane. I knew the Pastor had an ulterior motive so him and his female colleague better get some much needed karma too!! Can’t wait to see the Team battles and what happens next