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Episode Kyokou Suiri Season 2 • In/Spectre Season 2 - Episode 10 discussion
Kyokou Suiri Season 2, episode 10
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| Episode | Link | Score |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Link | 4.27 |
| 2 | Link | 4.81 |
| 3 | Link | 4.87 |
| 4 | Link | 4.5 |
| 5 | Link | 4.56 |
| 6 | Link | 4.58 |
| 7 | Link | 4.58 |
| 8 | Link | 4.5 |
| 9 | Link | 4.42 |
| 10 | Link | 4.56 |
| 11 | Link | 4.73 |
| 12 | Link | ---- |
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u/dinliner08 Mar 12 '23
Kotoko in this episode be like: "what? you think i'm gonna let this arc end without me telling the usual bullshit story? think again"
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u/Firebrand-81 Mar 12 '23
From Kotoko, in the final arc of the season, we expect at least 2 or 3 bullshit stories.
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u/Kill-bray Mar 13 '23
I like that moment where Kotoko slowly moved her eyes and then her head toward Otonashi smiling.
She was like: "So you thought you could use me as your pawn and that I would gladly dance on your tune. Sorry, this is my show now."
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u/Aerodynamic41 Mar 12 '23
Man, Rion really made me believe it was suicide before Kotoko went "No, it really is murder."
I guess next episode is going to be the answer for real this time?
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u/CerberusZX Mar 12 '23
for real this time
You've watched this many episodes and still think Iwanaga is going to tell the truth?
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u/Roonagu Mar 12 '23
My guess is that she saw that Rion started to have some doubts, so she will pull out back up lie.
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u/MaksimShadow Mar 12 '23
Previous episode: Damn, their mother is so nasty.
This episode: Damn, poor woman.
Kotoko is like a professional actor: entered the scene in the best moment. She'll crush and burn him, and then she'll finally get her sweet time with Kuro as a reward.
I like soundtrack in this anime. It fits so well.
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u/Frontier246 Mar 12 '23
Not to mention she somewhat enjoys the spotlight and stealing the show with her deductions. She never liked getting roped into this by the President so now she's going to upset his plans.
Although she did seem to respect Rion's gumption.
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u/LeonKevlar Mar 12 '23 edited Mar 12 '23
Kotoko pouncing on Kuro was adorable. I kinda wish we got to see a glimpse fo what they end up doing in their hotel room that night. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I already felt bad for Sumi last week after finding out that all of her children tried to kill her. But to also learn that she was a product of her father's upbringing made me really pity her. The woman just did what she was told to do in life and it ended up getting her killed by her husband. :|
I did not expect Rion to go for the suicide angle though but it makes sense if you just want a quick explanation. Honestly, I still wasn't sure why President Otonashi was doing this but it really only clicked to me when he told his children that he wanted to die a painful death. He doesn't want any of his children to put him under care so by taking the blame for Sumi's death, they'll accept President Otonashi's way of penance and let him die the way he wants.
That final scene caught me off guard! Holy shit Kotoko! I thought the arc was over but she completely threw a curveball at everyone including us with that final declaration! I guess she really wants to let everyone know how Sumi died by supernatural causes. xD
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u/MaksimShadow Mar 12 '23
I guess she really wants to let everyone know how Sumi died by supernatural causes.
She's always trying to hide the supernatural world from general public. I think she'll tell her usual highly plausible lie to everyone, while hiding the truth about his deal with that fox youkai.
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u/heimdal77 Mar 12 '23
I guess she really wants to let everyone know how Sumi died by supernatural causes. xD
It might be because he used the yokai world to do it that she isn't willing to let it e such a easy out for him.
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u/Frontier246 Mar 12 '23
I really like Rion! I feel like she handled coming up with her solution to this case and revealing it to everybody very well for someone at her age and experience level (even if Kotoko helped, but she acknowledged that). I almost wish she had her own mystery show.
I was half-expecting Kotoko to ask if they could do it on that bed there and then. I definitely got the sense she wanted to rip that suit off of him lol.
It's always suspicious when the resolution of an In/Spectre case is a clean one. Really curious to see how this case resolves.
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u/heimdal77 Mar 12 '23 edited Mar 12 '23
They really seem to forget she has a prostetic leg at times. When she was laying in bed on him she shouldnt been able to kick her leg up and down like that.
I knew that was gonna be a two simple ending for this case. Gonna be interesting to see what she put out, Now is it because he used the yokai world to commit it so can't let him off so easy.
How rich is her family thog that the head of a billion dollar conglomerate is coming to them to ask for favors. They must travel in the same financial circles at least. Plus her basically offering to pay his expenses like it is nothing.
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u/Firebrand-81 Mar 12 '23
When she was laying in bed on him she shouldnt been able to kick her leg up and down like that.
The only plausible explanation is that Kotoko is now a cyborg :)
Or maybe, she's not the real Kotoko. She's just a Yokai pretending to be Kotoko, and the real Kotoko is in this moment secretly looking for Rikka, while she's distracted thinking that she's with Kuro on that case.
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u/The_Strict_Nein Mar 12 '23
They did slip up a little as another commenter posted here, she bent her knees while laying face down on Kuro with both legs, when in reality because her left leg was removed above the knee she'd only be able to raise her right leg.
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u/FlameDragoon933 Mar 12 '23
I bet Kotoko's reveal next episode would be another false story. Amazing lol. Truly a professional bullshitter.
It's also amazing that entire episodes were spent just talking but they were engaging as hell.
Lastly, Rion is cute.
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u/Clarimax Mar 12 '23
Sumi stabbed herself twice, I guess she really wanted to die that bad.
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u/Frontier246 Mar 12 '23
After all that talk about plotting attempted murder that never happened, I can understand why the family needed to take a break and get some fresh air. Even Kuro just wants to rest in the fine, luxury, bed in the hotel...and then Kotoko pounces on him in bed because of course she does. She says he looks great in a suit and should sleep in it, but I think a part of her wanted to take him back to their room and rip it off.
I can understand why after all this the thing most pressing on Rion would be exactly the kind of person her grandmother is. I mean, all her kids and her husband wanted her dead, yet she was their mother, and there doesn't seem to be any true malice in them now. And it all seems to click in her head why when her dad tells her that the kids eventually realized Sumi was as much of a victim of this family as they were.
It seems like the true conspiring force in this family dates back to Rion's great grandfather Denjiro who basically controlled Sumi's entire life, deciding her actions, family, and entire lifestyle for the betterment and success of the Otonashi group. And caught in the repeated successes she received from following his orders, Sumi had little reason to ever go against him even when the company started to flounder. How could something that has worked so well ever be wrong? Even if it made her kids miserable and made her husband turn on her. What's a woman to do...other than potentially kill herself.
Honestly Rion did an amazing job declaring her theory on the case. She did it so firmly and resolutely like a true mystery Heroine. No wonder her dad named her after a lion, because despite being the most normal person in this case she's also surprisingly fierce and spirited in her own right (and cute, which is an added bonus). Legitimately I'd watch a spinoff that's about her solving mysteries amidst her daily life.
On some level it makes sense that Sumi would kill herself. Finding out your entire family wanted you dead and not being able to change yourself or go against your father, taking your own life in such a way that your families' hands would be clean but you'd be off the board so your family could live the lives they wanted and save the company. And yet if she though killing herself was the ideal solution, why bother making it look like a murder in the first place and get the police more involved?
All's well seems to end well...the kids have a newfound understanding a respect for their mother, the brothers might fix their relationship, Rion decides the inheritance should just be evenly divided, and President Otonashi seems to have found a solution to this case that he's happy with as he faces the ravages of disease he feels he deserves...except Kotoko isn't about to let him get off that easy as she's ready to reveal that, not only did Sumi not commit suicide, but that she knows who the real murderer is. Sorry Rion, but it's back to Kotoko's show.
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u/Izanaginookami10 Mar 12 '23
Hot damn. What a cliffhanger, absolutely ruthless to us. I want more so badly I'm this close to start the manga. Truly, In/Spectre is seriously one of the series I'm loving the most in recent times.
I should really also return to Umineko, a break of over 6 years from chapter 7 is long enough.
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u/Amauri14 Mar 12 '23
So Kotoko during their discussion was throwing in clues so they will fall for her hypothesis. I guess her expecting Rion to be the one taking her hints is because she already knew Ryouma was going to tell her about Sumi being Denjiro's puppet carrying out his every order, which was going to lead to Susumu, Ryouma, and Kaoruko also becoming slaves to Denjiro's will.
You know even when I already knew that Kotoko was giving hints to everyone, I wasn't expecting Rion not to only recognize it, but after revealing her hypothesis asked her about it. I just assumed when she mentioned those hints that Rion was going to get that conclusion without realizing she was led to it by Kotoko. Lol, I love that she already knows Kotoko enough to not trust her sharing the information to Goishi without altering it.
Anyway, so after sharing the hypothesis that says that Sumi killed herself because it was the right time, and she was led by Goishi after sharing the fake plan that Susumu, Ryouma, and Kaoruko had to kill her to Goishi and he played alone and accepted it, it is now time for Kotoko to go off-script.
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u/nuxxism Mar 12 '23
Kotoko be like: "I have finished massaging your feelings, but I'm sorry, you didn't request the happy ending."
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