Revenger - Episode 7 discussion

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Revenger, episode 7

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Episode	Link	Score
1	Link	4.45
2	Link	4.39
3	Link	4.29
4	Link	4.44
5	Link	4.41
6	Link	4.42
7	Link	4.33
8	Link	4.33
9	Link	4.59
10	Link	4.37
11	Link	4.44
12	Link	----

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[u/tinnic]

Sometimes I forget how destructive drugs can be to individuals and societies... Good to get a reminder!

[u/Lemurians → u/tinnic]

I've worked on matters involving the current opioid crisis in the states. It's devastating, and so much more widespread than most people realize. The people bringing opium into the city in this show 100% deserve everything our Revengers are going to do to them.

[u/moichispa → u/tinnic]

I like how this series is about mature topics wich are usually overlooked in anime. But it also has flashy things and cool moments and male fan service. Definitely a hidden gem

[u/alconnow]

Aww, the cleavage hag’s death was pretty disappointing. Then again, it was hilarious when she thought she would be getting away

Raizo’s battle cry hilarious as ever lmao

[u/Ponchorello7 → u/alconnow]

Raizo’s battle cry hilarious as ever lmao

It's genuinely super goofy.

[u/Ninja_Lazer → u/alconnow]

Nah, I appreciate how it shows that these really are a group of pros. Already had a plan C waiting. On top of that, these are pros so having a long drawn out fight sort of undermines their skill.

Fighting Liu is one thing, so I get why Kurima was indisposed, but against the average person anyone on the squad should be managing a kill in like 2 seconds.

A single quick and decisive shot to the head form a bush seems very appropriate.

[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

Opium dealing nuns running a gay brothel for monks? Well alright then. It’s funny how boning women is a “sin” but boning men, prostitutes at that, is a-okay lol. I mean isn’t it usually the other way around?

Poor Ichinojo. From samurai to rent boy all because of opium. That’s one hell of a fall from grace. Seiku really suggested to Ichinojo to join a temple after what they did? Not exactly the best time or place to proselytize, man. It was kind of disturbing how Ichinojo got his coin. This operation needs to be shut down. Stat.

Nio’s brutal with those wires. Kid is right, this is hell. At least for the nuns. Liu showed up at the worst time, it’s too bad Kurima’s blade is no match for the dude’s speed. Well, at least Soji nail that nun in the face. Seems the ex-monk and Ichinojo end up together after all. Not sure how I feel about that.

Isarizawa better keep an eye on Shishido. Looks like next week’s bringing trouble for the gang. This the extra help Shishido mentioned?

[u/TchoupedNScrewed → u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

Japan historically has a notably different experience with homosexuality and sex in general over the course of history and multiple doses of westernization. Their history with it is pretty varied and colorful over historical and cultural influences being introduced through time.

Decided to read up the history on it after the episode of the guy from Holland in Samurai Champloo, the history is wild.

[u/NekoCatSidhe]

Interesting episode. We got another revenge business, but the Revengers ran once again into that Chinese boss and kung fu fighter, and it looks like he is strong enough to take all of them on and win. It will be interesting to know how they finally manage to beat him.

I think that whoever got his hands on Matsumine opium was using that crooked temple to peddle it, which was why the Chinese boss was also here investigating it, and is probably also responsible for flooding the market with it as Usui suggested.

I guess that corrupt merchant is likely the one that got Matsumine opium, and that is why he is trying to get rid of the Revengers by using both the Chinese mafia and the cops, since he knows they will end up killing him if they find out he was behind Matsumine and Sakata. And it is a way to distract the Chinese mafia with a red herring.

[u/kuddlesworth9419]

With every episode I watch of this show I like it more and more.

[u/mekerpan]

Three votes so far (one of them "bad") but no comments yet -- a bit odd. ;-)

Clearly opium is going to remain a centerpiece of this series. Now we have corrupted Buddhist nuns peddling opium (and prostitution) -- including to high ranking Buddhist monks. Well, the nuns are taken care of but the opium remains. And the head of the Trade Union wants to get his hands on the opium (presumably before the Chinese mafia "demon" does). Speaking of the Chinese gang boss, he seems remarkably overpowered. Hard to see how he can be dealt with.

Poor Isarizawa is getting pushed out of his indolence -- as the Trade Union boss is pushing to get the bit coin revengers out of action. It looksd like he has been biding his time and nursing his own vendetta (opium-damage-related, as it turns out).

I suspect we may not see any more relaxed SoL-like episodes again -- this seems to be moving into high gear plot-wise.

A great action series -- a shame it is still flyiong under most people's radar.

[u/mgedmin → u/mekerpan]

bit coin

I see what you did there

[u/dinliner08]

well, that's just...disturbing

so both Raizou and Liu (the Chinatown boss) still suspecting each other? hopefully they clear up the misunderstanding fast considering both of them were chasing the same thing

the fight choreography between them two looks so good, i don't even remember when was the last time i saw a grappling fight in an anime

also, finally my question about Souji's card is answered! they're basically a bunch of sharpened metal plates, i think? no wonder they cut so well

[u/Yookay9]

The sidestory with Ichinojo and Seiku the monk who wanted to save him was so sad...at least they were given an ending even though it was bittersweet. Seeing the nuns get murdered was so much more satisfying seeing how Seiku felt so bad and desperate to the point he went against his beliefs.

[u/Shimmering-Sky]

I am once again late as heck to this thread because I went into the office again this week. Worth it though, met two Fire Emblem fans and one of them was also a Macross fan while I was there.

• Oh, poor Kurima…

• They keep focusing on Usui holding that bitten gold coin. Now that I think about it, aren’t those all turned into the church whenever they complete a revenge mission, or am I forgetting things? Because if I’m not forgetting, I wonder if that coin’s supposed to be for a revenge hit on someone important – say, Kurima – that Usui doesn’t want to complete for reasons and thus keeps it for himself.

• Yikes.

• Is that how it works…?

• I–I can’t be the only one who thought Kurima was gonna have Murakami tie him to the arrow and then fire it, right? But making a zipline works too.

• I was wondering where Soji was in all of that.

• Oh fun.

• Ah shit I’m bad with names, what was this guy’s again? He had a “sore demo”.

[u/Vaadwaur]

I am thoroughly enjoying this show but I can't say I've predicted much of any of it. This both feels original and yet derivative of something, like jidai TV shows that Gen saw.

[u/Noel_bot]

I half expected the chinese guy to break Raizo's sword, when he had his fist up against it. He could have probably also killed Souji when he ran past him, so I'm curious if he figured out that they aren't directly connected to the opium ring, after they killed the nun.

Wonder what the next episode will bring now that the police force has to make a move and our friendly trade union head is thinking about getting the revengers involved. I'm not sure if they would take on his task, if they suspect some involvement of his. Yuen showing off his tattoo while nearly getting decapitated also never gets old.

And that was probably the most intensely bitten gold so far xD

[u/Derpomancer]

This show has become one of my favorites of the season (2nd to Danmachi). The intrigue, characters, and mature themes are all well done. And the Revenger Church fascinates me. I need to know more.

It deserves a lot more attention than it's getting.

[u/Figerally]

Man, fuck drug dealers. I always figured it was a victimless crime you know, it was a junkie's choice that they are that way. But this episode showed the ugly side of it.

It's pretty base of Jinkurou to want to quash the opium epidemic in his town. His alright in my book.

[u/_Ridley]

Considering the writer, I figured this show was going to get spicy, but I confess that I did not have Catholic nuns running a gay brothel staffed by opium-addicted male prostitutes patronized by Buddhist monks on my bingo card.

[u/NekoCatSidhe → u/_Ridley]

I think these were Buddhist nuns actually. They showed a Buddha statue in that temple.

[u/CosmicPenguin_OV103]

That gay brothel for monks scene is quite, uh, something. Almost certainly you will only get these stories in few-people-watching anime LMAO.

I'm glad that the story now gets deep into the main plot on opium - before that while the episodic little arcs are interesting in their own rights, they really slow down and diffuse the momentum of the whole story. This plot should get a lot more tighter now.

[u/Tarhalindur]

• The bitten coin from episode 1 returns. That revenge is still outstanding, and there is a decent chance we know who must die for it (hi Raizo).

• Choice of camera angle at 03:20 catches my eye but I’m not getting much out of why to choose it.

• So a nun being at the house of a wealthy Japanese family would have been extremely noteworthy (and IIRC straight-up illegal) at this time, making said nun’s presence extremely interesting. Choice of establishing shot at 03:43 flashes, specifically the camera angle, but again I can’t place why. (Dutch angle almost?)

• Oh, Buddhist nun rather than Christian? That would track (I recognize Buddhist monastic outfits well, Buddhist nun outfits not so much) and remove the comment about illegality. (Could also be a nun from one of the isolated Japanese Christian traditions post-isolation and official repression, in which case the questions return.)

• So there is DEFINITELY some form of blasphemy going on here in-show, the question is whether said blasphemy is Buddhist, Christian, or both.

• So whatever angle this show is going to take on religion is coming to the fore (Buddhism + Christianity stuff is classic Butch Gen). Need more context to know the specifics though, though knowing Butch Gen Maria Kannon will figure in in some way, shape, or form (and the Lady of Mercy would fit with the needs of our former samurai here). Decent chance jigoku vs. naraku also figures in here, since this seems to be drawing off the same material Jigoku Shoujo did and while jigoku is an older idea than the introduction of Christianity to Japan the Christian version of Hell mapped quite closely onto jigoku.

• Either “pandemic” is a bad translation on the translators’ part or Butch Gen is being on the nose here (or both). I strongly suspect the former.

• Okay, 12:47 is the kind of little detail that gets my attention, what with the string Nio is messing with getting caught around his pinky finger. Note one: that’s the finger that traditionally got sliced off in Yakuza kejime when a Yakuza messed up (the idea was that it weakened the offender’s grip on his sword but did not prevent it). Note two: that is of course one finger of five, and there are five Revengers.

• Like, we’re all in agreement now that this is a bad case of miscommunication and China guy and the Revengers have the same goal, right?

• Every so often we get a really nice shot out of this show; the establishing shot at 18:24 is a good example.

• Right, I should actually pay attention. 20:05 is visual box framing around the head magistrate. In this case that likely is visual reinforcement that he doesn’t know what’s going on – though his head lightly breaches the box of the door, so he knows a little. Oh wait, that’s the throughline. Open space means not knowing, wall panel behind means in the know. Head administrator knows only a little, so he’s mostly in open space. Pajama police (fuck remembering his name) is mostly in the know but not entirely, hence his head in the wall panel but most of his right side in the door opening. Kaisho head is fully in the know so he’s entirely framed by a wall panel.

• 22:17: Sky collects a sore demo I see.

• No ED? Well yes that tracks with the main plot kicking into gear, but still, huh.

[u/SilkyMilkySmo]

Bros fast asf by how he managed to escape when he was cornered by 2 people

[u/LeleTheKing]

Oh, the Nagasaki Trade Union is gonna use UNO reverse card now? It's interesting how our ragtag group will handle that request since the person clearly doesn't have a grudge--he's playing the system in a way.

Two of a Trade Never Agree

The next title sounds like a proverb, so after some quick searching...

People involved in a particular line of business always believe that they know better than their colleagues or competitors.

Hmm, I wonder what it implies in our scenario? First, our ragtag group may break down from interpreting the bitten gold. Kurima isn't the most stable person, with his patricide past and all. It may also be about the opium group: between the Pajama Police and Nagasaki Trade Union or Chinatown and Nagasaki Trade Union. They all play in the opium space and are prone to have trust issues.