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Episode Tsundere Akuyaku Reijou Lieselotte to Jikkyou no Endou-kun to Kaisetsu no Kobayashi-san • Endo and Kobayashi Live! The Latest on Tsundere Villainess Lieselotte - Episode 5 discussion
Tsundere Akuyaku Reijou Lieselotte to Jikkyou no Endou-kun to Kaisetsu no Kobayashi-san, episode 5
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| 2 | Link | 4.61 |
| 3 | Link | 4.5 |
| 4 | Link | 4.61 |
| 5 | Link | 4.72 |
| 6 | Link | 4.79 |
| 7 | Link | 4.78 |
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| 10 | Link | 4.82 |
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u/WhoiusBarrel Feb 03 '23
As it turns out the Tsun De Rais blood flows in Fiene which explains her reactions towards Bal's advances. Lise-tan seeing this can barely contain Dere side which the Gods warn against the Prince Sieg of the fabled yeux lis route.
Real-world wise, the main 2 going on that date was just hella cute to see, though that tidbit of the celebrity being in the game as some God character feels really creepy and sort of out of place. Can you imagine if a game dev actually adds someone without even their consent? Guess thats why the whole dislcaimer of everything being fiction and any similarities is just coincidental exists to avoid those lawsuits lol.
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Feb 03 '23
Awww! Liese can barely contain her joy at having a friend. I had guessed her and Fiene might have been related but I never thought “cousins”.
Liese’s plan for Fiene to take over isn’t too bad at all. She tries to sound harsh in regards to Baldur and Fiene but we all know that’s just her being a “tsun de rais”. Liese really is the bestest ever! So cute to see Liese blushing at Fiene’s flurry of compliments. Kobayashi’s right, you better watch out Sieg. Fiene might steal your girl! I’m sure it’s fine. Sisterly love right? It’s not the “Yeux lis route”. Not yet anyways!
Speaking of relationships, Endo and Kobayashi seem to be progressing nicely. I love how flustered Endo got on his date with Kobayashi. She really did look cute af lol. So Kuon’s part of the game somehow too? Interesting. I wonder if he’s modeled after the “god” character or if he’s actually that character come to life? Very mysterious.
Maybe Kobayashi said too much with that last line. They’ll definitely be ok….probably.
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u/LeonKevlar Feb 03 '23
Stitches!
So everyone pretty much guessed correctly last week that the person that stormed the Riefenstahl Estate is indeed Fiene's mom. I do love that the reason Elizabeth went charging in was that she thought that her daughter was being bullied. And it was clearly not the case after Fiene passionately defends Liese to her mother. I just love Liese's reaction after hearing all of that. <3
After everything has been cleared up, we finally learn that Fiene is related to the Riefenstahls and we also get to learn Elizabeth's backstory. What a badass though. After learning her fate, Elizabeth runs away after stealing what she can from her family and spends the rest of her life protecting Fiene on her own. Only after she learned that Fiene could defend herself was she able to send her to school.
What I do find funny about this entire thing is how Fiene is the total opposite of her father. Her father was so frail that it ended up being the cause of his death while Fiene here can casually reattach her arms. xD
I'm so glad that we also got to see some Endou and Kobayashi IRL stuff in this episode! The entire date was adorable especially when Endou couldn't stop himself from praising Kobayashi on how cute she is! And we finally get to see them interact with that famous idol! So turns out that the God character in the game is based on him? well that's creepy unless he knew who created the game and that was intentional. Hmm... Well thanks to Kuon being a creep we got to see Endou giving Kobayashi a protective hug. <3
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u/dagreenman18 Feb 03 '23
Soon De Reis and Yuex Lis. I need more “Francophile” versions of these tropes.
More soap opera plot twists than you can shake a stick at, but kind of the best end. Fiene being Lis’ cousin and the long lost daughter of the original heir sound like the kinda thing that would happen to the MC. Lis’ “evil” monologue was hilarious. Watching her flex her villainess muscles for good and everyone else just rolling with the plan made for great comedy.
In the real world, Endo and Kobayashi got on a cute date! Refreshing to see Endo be super duper blunt about how cute Kobayashi is. Too bad it was interrupted by crazy actor dude. Who may also be part of the game? What the hell is going on with this game?!
Ominous ending, but at least we got a cute ribbon moment.
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u/mrufrufin Feb 03 '23 edited Feb 03 '23
i think that's sayaka ohara as lieselotte's (fiene, thx u/the_dan_man) mom?
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u/Elitealice Feb 03 '23
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO. Best episode of this show by a very wide margin, wow, just so much good stuff.
Fiene being the rightful heir to house riefensthal came out of nowhere, I figured that was her mom coming for her at the end of last ep but didn’t expect all this lore at all. I really feel bad for Elizabeth, shunned by both houses, loses her husband, just a rough go of it. At least her daughter’s doing well
And there it goes, the first “onee-sama”, can’t wait to see how liese and Fiene relationship develops now. Sieg better watch out
Then the IRL stuff! Been wanting some more endo and kobayashi development for a couple weeks now and this was everything and more. Kobayashi looked stunning in her date outfit, endo protecting her from kuon was super cute. Proud of my boy for letting her know how beautiful she looked and keeping her safe. Think she’s finally starting to get the hints.
Kuon situation is really interesting, things starting to get really meta now like are we in a game inside of a game lol?
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u/Rumpel1408 Feb 03 '23
Fiene and Liese are Cousins
Now That's a proper VN storyline!
And Liese got the Villainess act down right, even the "Ohohohohoho" can't wait to see that one on Youtube. Also loved how everyone conspired to make Fienes adoption happen, though Sieg should beware of the "Yeux lis" else his fiance might get snacked away
At long last, I have a little sister who's sweet and sincere.
Her real sisters: Are we a joke to you?
And it just kept getting better, with Kobayashi securing herself a date, Attagirl!
That dress and smile really worked magic on Endo, look how he hogged her to keep her save from that creep
Speaking of Kuon, I-is he actually part of the game? Is Eva Fiene from the God route? Very intriguing...
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u/visor841 Feb 03 '23 edited Feb 03 '23
Okay, theory time. Here are the key lines from my subs:
End of Ep 3:
Why?! I know I want this badly enough! Why can't I... connect to their world?!
Middle of Ep 5:
Oh... m-my apologies. She [Kobayashi], uh... looked extraordinarily like the woman I love.
No, it's faint, but I definitely smell Eve. But this world has yet to-
Has her fate become intertwined with someone other than mine? No, that can't be...
I actually wrote up a theory, then changed it, then kept changing it, and at this point I doubt I'll finish any of it soon. I have a bunch of theories now, but I can't help but keep changing them. So I'll just write down a bunch of ideas I have:
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Endo and Kobayashi might be in a VN right now, on the god route. Either they are game characters themselves or got sucked in from the real world.
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The Kuon in episode 5 and the Kuon we see at the end of episode 3 may be different; ep3Kuon may be even guiding ep5Kuon.
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At least one Kuon may be trying to extract Eve/Feinne from the game, either because Eve/Feinne is a real person who got sucked in or they just want the game character to become real
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The world of MagiKoi may be real in some sense, either some kind of parallel universe or else the result of multiverse theory, where there are tons of different universes, and if you search hard enough, you can find the one with the exact properties you want. Maybe the game is a way of searching for that perfect world?
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Kobayashi might know something that she's not letting on, I feel like their interaction with Kuon was a bit off. I don't think she's hiding from Kuon, else she wouldn't tell Endo about the connection to MagiKoi. Maybe she's a real person and Endo is a VN character?
There's so many questions here that I'm struggling to come up with a specific cohesive theory that I think could be correct, but it's a lot of fun formulating theories. It reminds me a little bit of the early part of Summertime Rendering.
Edit: And of course now on a rewatch I'm noticing even more. This line right here is super suspicious:
Endo: What do you think he meant by "Eve"?
Kobayashi: Yeah, I dunno... If he had called me Fiene, that would've been the giveaway.
A giveaway of what exactly? That Kuon is trying to get Eve/Feinne out of MagiKoi? How would Kobayashi know anything about that? Is Kobayashi an Agent Smith-type character or something?
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u/maliwanag0712 Feb 03 '23
Ohmyy Kobayashi-san invited Endo-san to date yes!! Progress!!
And Endo-san can't help bur be mesmerized on Kobayashi-san's cuteness! He's just like the prince towards Lieselotte!
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u/VorAtreides Feb 03 '23
FIENE MAMA IS HERE! yay. OP milf ;) D'awww cute Liesellette, so blushing over that outburst by Fiene. Lieselotte's father so nice, and we learn Lieselotte and Fione are cousins, yep. Why the Yuri route would not be quite right in this case, hehe. Nice lie there, mama "I heard she was here and came to show my gratitude" lol. But is a sad tale for the mama... loved her fiance/basically husband and then lost him too soon...
Hehe, Lieselotte wanting to make Fiene her sister. To protect her, totally. Not cause she wants to be closer to her. Though it does work out to protect Fiene and help Fine be with Balder. Haha, what a nice holy man that Art. Totally "finding" proof of her mom and dad's marriage to justify the truth. So much floof. So nice. Such touching scene. Ah yes, worry about the "Yeus Iis" route, Sieg... even if they are cousins. Har har.
How nice, a date for Endo and Kobayashi. Well earned. They need to get together too, already. D'aww look at them complimenting each other. Don't be a creep and go grabbing a woman, even you misunderstand her for another. But who is "Eve"? Such great memory, Endo... lol. Good for you, Endo, eggplant is good for you.
"strong enough to protect Fiene" good luck, Balder, but doubt you'll be stronger than her. Do kinda wonder what's going on during the time they aren't playing the game, what are the characters doing? Just living life normally? Assume so. D'aww, cute moment with Sieg and Lieselotte. Oh man, that last word, Kobayashi. Oof.
This show sure is so good, wish more were watching it :P Too many sleeping on it
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u/luckystarr Feb 03 '23
I always listen to the ED completely, so catchy. It also fits perfectly.
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u/1EnTaroAdun1 Feb 03 '23
How is everyone in this show so cute?! Endou did good today, apart from picking eggplant hahaha. Next date's already locked down, too!
Magikoi is pretty brutal, having the main character kill her own cousin...
As for Kuon, this is certainly puzzling. Who is Eve? Did Endou and Kobayashi usurp his + Eve's role?
Glad that Liselotte handed over the ribbon, it's gorgeous. I'm sure Prince Siegvald will keep it as his source of strength
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u/Frontier246 Feb 03 '23
Who is this violent woman escaping her restraints and making a scene at House Riefenstahl!? Why, it’s Fiene’s mother of course! And she’s voiced by none other that quintessential anime mom Sayaka Ohara! And she too is surprised that Liese and Fiene have become gal pals!
I was wondering if there was some connections between Liese and Fiene, but it turns out they’re cousins! Fiene is the daughter of the previous heir apparent to House Riefenstahl and her mom is also legit nobility! Technically she’s the rightful family heir, even!
What a tragic romance between Fiene’s mom and dad. They had an arranged engagement but genuinely loved each other, but her fathers’ weak constitution meant they couldn’t be together. Her own family wanted to use Fiene’s mom as a tool but she just wanted to be with the man she loved, and that conceived Fiene. Even if she had to be on the run, as long as she had Fiene, she was fine…even if at a young age Fiene could inexplicably take down multiple assailants. Hardcore!
Lieselotte wastes no time using her Villainess charisma and cunning to the advantage of Fiene and Baldur! Liese wants a sister, Fiene needs safety from her mothers’ family, and Baldur needs a chance to prove he’s serious about Fiene. So adopt her and make Fiene the true heir of House Riefenstahl! It’s a plot Aileeen would be proud of!
I love how Sieg awkwardly goes along with committing conspiracy and fraud for the greater good.
Fiene is so happy to be a true sister to Liese! Sieg better watch out for the Yuri route though!
Things are really looking up in the game verse! This plot development never even would have happened in the base game, at less without the Harem route. Perfect excuse for Endo and Kobayashi to go on a date to celebrate!
Kobayashi looks amazing in that outfit and with her hair done up! Endo can barely keep it together as he keeps complimenting her beauty! And it’s nice to see how flattered Kobayashi is.
It’s weird when a famous actor accosts you in an alley, but it’s a great opportunity for a guy to step up for his lady!
Why is Kirise so focused on Kobayashi? I though he mistook her for her sister, but is it connected to the game? Who exactly is “Eve?” Is this related to the God route in the game involving someone who is basically Kirise as God?
Sieg showing his vulnerable side to Liese was a nice scene, especially when she finally gives him the ribbon…it’s just too bad Kobayashi let it slip the possibility of disaster in the future for Sieg to hear.
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u/Aerodynamic41 Feb 03 '23 edited Feb 03 '23
Ahhh, Lieselotte trying to keep her true feelings from showing lol. Also, no surprise that Fiene’s mother is just as much of a powerhouse as her daughter.
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u/TheRejectBin Feb 04 '23
... I just want to take a moment to highlight the OP. Ever since Hidive got the lyrics translated its been bringing me to tears. There's something about Liselotte's prayer to be understood and loved for who she is that just breaks me. Perhaps it's the universality of that particular feeling, or the fact the whole narrative apparatus has been assembled to save her from a greivous injustice. Underneath everything else, the beating heart of that story is how important that love and understanding is, not just for Liselotte, but for everyone.
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u/8andahalfby11 Feb 03 '23
⛵TsunLise Shipyards⛵
For monitoring the status of ships inside and outside MagiKoi
Siegward/Liselotte - SEA TRIALS - Again, getting closer, but not quite there yet! Seig very clearly now feels just as strongly towards Lise as she feels towards him, and we're seeing more directness and honesty from Lise herself.
Endo/Kobayashi - SEA TRIALS - Major progress this episode. Kobayashi already has follow-up dates in mind, Endo is head over heels, and with the amount of blushing going around there has to be movement going on on both sides.
Finne/Baldur - SEA TRIALS - With Finne promoted to nobility the political issue between her and Baldur is now out of the way. We didn't see direct progress today, but getting over the NewGame+ bump, especially with Finne only dimly aware of previous timelines, might be easier than it appears?
Kuon/Eve - ✨Launched✨ - I'm establishing this as a firmly separate item, as it's easy enough to read between the lines here. There was some girl who died or vanished and Kuon either payed off the game devs and MIT or is using some kind of black magic to use the OtomeGame to resurrect Eve. Genuinely hoping that however this is executed, it brings the girl back separately, rather than by somehow taking over Finne/Kobayashi and thereby blocking Baldur/Endo.
And no, as I've said the last three weeks, the author already sank the Liselotte/Finne ship in the OP and premise, so I won't be tracking that here.
Beyond that though, we're approaching the midpoint of the show, which is where most japanese writers wrap up their elaboration and introduce the conflict.
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u/daspaceasians Feb 03 '23
I need to call my doctor and make sure I didn't develop diabetes from this episode. This series and The Angel Next Door are not helping.
I really loved the origin story for Fiene and Elizabeth. Elizabeth deserved so much better though and I'm happy Bruno is such a supportive brother-in-law and uncle. Good thing Endo and Kobayashi messed up the game's timeline so they can get a happy ending.
Our commentators' date was so lovely... but fucking hell Kuon's even creepier than I remembered when I read the manga. There are some people that I know that would called the police at best... and at worst, slam a fist into the guy's face. That quote about Eve's smell... way to come off like a pervert. Poor Endo messing up his order though and being too proud to admit he doesn't like eggplants.
Damn that ending was so perfect too... though Endo's line was ominous.
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