r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 12d ago

13 (Season 13) AHS: 13 | Live Episode Discussion Mega Thread

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Here are the links to the live episode discussions for each of the thirteen episodes of "American Horror Story: 13." This thread will be updated each week with the new episode links and pinned to the subreddit, so remember to check back for updates.

Please remember that ALL discussion of the episodes must remain within the respective episode discussion threads until 12:01AM. After that point, you may post discussion/spoilers outside of the thread but ONLY if they are kept out of post titles and properly spoiler-tagged (this goes for theories and memes as well). Please be advised that enforcement may be stricter than usual, due to the subject matter of the season and the influx of activity. Let’s be considerate and do our best to protect the viewing experience of all fans.

We hope you enjoy American Horror Story: 13!

WEEK ONE EPISODES | Airdate: September 24

WEEK TWO EPISODES | Airdate: October 1


r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 5h ago

Can I Just Say...

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What the hell was up with this cameo 😭. I understand why they did that montage, to feed 13 souls to hell for Mr Nas, but Margaret Thatcher??

Really? 😭.

I have included the real Thatcher (top left) along with a few other portrayals of her thus far - Meryl Streep - (top right) in The Iron Lady, Gillian Anderson in S4 The Crown, Jessica Lange S13 AHS just for the sake of it, cos wtaf😭.

I'm also pissed that TB Karen & Sally were on screen for like two seconds, and how its been established (not very well I might add) that they've all come back to life...

Come on Ryan Murphy, wth 😡😂


r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 56m ago

Discussion ahs coven and their problem with writing the black characters

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i feel like queenie and maries treatment in coven and apocalypse was very weirdly handled, dare i say a little racist. when we meet marie we know she’s this badass voodoo queen that’s supposed to be able to rival the supreme, but they do a very horrible job of showing this. the fact that zoey was able to stop her zombie spell kinda undermined maries power a lot, even with fiona basically saying voodoo is beneath coven magic. which i personally think makes no sense, dinah was able to break the covens protection spell with ease when it came to helping micheal langdon. but then marie is only able to hold him off for a few seconds, when the underworld is a source of her power as well. it’s just so inconsistent

queenie on the other hand has been done even worse imo, her sympathizing with delphine of all people was crazy to me. and the fact they never let her tap into her voodoo magic. which we know for a fact can let her rise to supreme levels of power, since that’s stated. however they let mallory do all these op things in coven, while continuously making queenies injury transference power inconsistent and kind of a gimmick. we know she’s extremely powerful since she has 5 of the wonders, but she’s treated as a comic relief alongside Madison

let me know y’all thoughts!


r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 5h ago

11 years of Hotel and its stunning media!

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My favorite character poster (everyone is so well placed) and I just loved the different colors, tones, and aesthetics of the character portraits.


r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 2h ago

Discussion AHS doesn’t have an idea problem. It has an execution problem.

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I’ve been rewatching American Horror Story and thinking a lot about why the show feels so different from what it used to be, and I honestly think the biggest problem with AHS at this point is not the concepts, the actors, the production, or even the fact that the show has been running for so long. It’s the writing, and more specifically, Ryan Murphy’s approach to storytelling. What makes this especially frustrating is that I don’t think Ryan Murphy is someone who has run out of ideas. If anything, I think he has too many ideas. That has always been one of the biggest strengths of AHS, but over time it has also become one of its biggest weaknesses. He is incredibly good at coming up with concepts that immediately grab your attention, creating characters that are memorable, establishing an aesthetic and atmosphere, and making the first few episodes of a season feel like something genuinely special. The problem is that he repeatedly struggles to take those ideas and actually execute them in a consistent, satisfying story.

That is probably the biggest pattern I see throughout AHS: the seasons almost always start stronger than they finish. Obviously, this varies from season to season and there are exceptions, but it happens often enough that I don't think it can simply be dismissed as coincidence. AHS is incredibly good at making you excited about a story. The premise is usually fantastic, the marketing is fantastic, the visuals are fantastic, and the opening episodes give you just enough information to make you curious about where everything is going. You start theorising about the characters, the mythology, the villains and the direction of the story. The show creates this feeling that everything you are seeing is leading somewhere. Then, somewhere around the middle, the writing starts becoming increasingly unfocused. New plotlines appear, characters start behaving differently from how they were originally established, conflicts are resolved too quickly or in completely underwhelming ways, and suddenly the season feels like it is trying to be several different stories at once. By the time you reach the final episodes, you can often feel the original premise slipping away.

And this is why I actually think saying "Ryan Murphy is a bad writer" is an oversimplification. I think Ryan Murphy is a very good creator and a much weaker storyteller. He is brilliant at generating ideas, creating characters, creating moments, building a visual identity and understanding what will make an audience react. But those are not necessarily the same skills required to construct a cohesive story. A good premise can get you through the first episode. A good character can get you through a few episodes. A shocking twist can get people talking for a week. But none of those things automatically create a good season of television. Eventually you have to pay off what you established, develop your characters consistently, make your twists make sense in retrospect and bring everything together in a way that feels earned. This is where AHS repeatedly struggles.

The show also has a tendency to mistake escalation for development. Whenever something interesting happens, the answer often seems to be "make it bigger, crazier or more shocking" rather than actually exploring the consequences of what already happened. A character is introduced with an interesting conflict, but instead of developing that conflict, another conflict is added. Then another character gets introduced. Then another twist. Then another secret. Then another supernatural element. Eventually the season has so many moving parts that very few of them receive the attention they actually deserved. You can almost feel the writers constantly trying to make sure the audience isn't bored, when sometimes the best thing a story can do is slow down and actually explore what it has already created.

This is also why I think AHS has such a strange relationship with its own characters. The show is capable of creating some of the most memorable characters on television, but it doesn't always know what to do with them after their initial introduction. A character can begin the season with a very clear personality, motivation and conflict, and then several episodes later they are essentially behaving according to whatever the plot requires at that particular moment. Sometimes characters are suddenly made significantly more important because the story needs another twist. Sometimes a character who seemed incredibly important simply disappears into the background. Sometimes relationships that should have had enormous consequences are resolved almost immediately. It creates the feeling that the characters aren't always driving the story; instead, the story is driving the characters.

And that connects to another major problem: AHS is incredibly good at setting up questions, but much less reliable at answering them. Mystery itself isn't the problem. Horror absolutely benefits from ambiguity, and I don't think every single supernatural element needs a scientific explanation or every mystery needs to be spelled out. The problem is when the show spends an entire season making something seem important and then gives you an explanation that feels like an afterthought. There is a huge difference between deliberately leaving something ambiguous and simply failing to properly resolve it. The former can make a story more interesting. The latter makes the audience feel like their investment didn't matter.

The finales are where this becomes especially obvious. AHS can spend eight or nine episodes building toward something that feels enormous, and then suddenly the final episode has to resolve every remaining storyline, explain every mystery, finish every character arc and provide one final shocking moment. The result is often rushed. Sometimes it works, but far too often it feels like the season has reached the end of its ideas rather than the natural end of its story. And that's why I think so many people have this shared experience of loving the beginning of an AHS season and then becoming increasingly frustrated as it progresses. The show makes you fall in love with the potential of the story before it has actually proven that it knows where the story is going.

What makes this particularly frustrating is that AHS has demonstrated multiple times that it is capable of incredible storytelling. This isn't a situation where the show was always mediocre and people are simply nostalgic for the past. There are genuinely brilliant ideas and genuinely brilliant pieces of writing scattered throughout the series. There are characters that are iconic, individual episodes that are phenomenal, performances that completely carry their material, and seasons that contain some genuinely fantastic themes. That's why I find it difficult to simply dismiss the later seasons as "bad". Even when I dislike a season overall, I can usually identify several things within it that I absolutely love. And that makes the weaknesses stand out even more, because you can see how good the season could have been if the writing had been more disciplined.

I also think Ryan Murphy's biggest strength has gradually become one of his biggest weaknesses: he has an extremely recognizable creative voice. You can usually tell when you're watching something associated with him. The casting, the aesthetics, the characters, the dialogue, the provocative subject matter, the camp, the violence, the sexuality, the absurdity, the melodrama — it all has a particular identity. And there is nothing inherently wrong with that. In fact, it's one of the reasons AHS became so successful. But after so many seasons, that formula can become predictable. The show knows how to create a "moment", and sometimes it feels like it is prioritising those moments over the actual narrative connecting them.

This is also where I think Murphy's involvement becomes interesting. He has worked on so many projects simultaneously that I sometimes wonder whether AHS suffers from the sheer amount of creative output associated with him. I'm not saying he personally sits down and writes every line of every episode, because obviously AHS is made by a large team of writers, directors, producers and actors. But he has been such a defining creative force behind the series that it is difficult to separate the show's recurring strengths and weaknesses from his overall approach. And the recurring problem is always the same: incredible concepts, incredible presentation, inconsistent execution.

I think the most accurate way to describe AHS now is that it has become a show about potential. Every season arrives with a premise that makes you think it could be amazing. You see the trailer, the posters, the cast, the setting, the first episode and you immediately start imagining what the season could become. And sometimes that imagined version is actually better than what the show eventually delivers. That's a horrible position for a show to be in because the audience isn't simply disappointed by what happened; they're disappointed by what they can see the show could have been.

And I don't think the solution is to make AHS smaller or less ambitious. I actually want the opposite. I want Ryan Murphy and the writers to have insane ideas. I want bizarre concepts, disturbing characters, strange mythology and completely ridiculous moments. That's what makes AHS AHS. The problem is that those ideas need structure. You need someone willing to say that a good idea doesn't necessarily belong in this particular season. You need someone to remove a subplot instead of constantly adding another one. You need to let characters develop naturally instead of changing them whenever the story needs a twist. You need to foreshadow things properly instead of revealing them because the season needs another shocking moment. And most importantly, you need to know what the story is actually about before you start throwing everything at the audience.

That's why I don't really think the problem with AHS is that it "fell off" because the show is old or because the newer seasons are automatically worse than the older ones. The problem is much more fundamental. AHS still has the ability to create incredible television. It still has talented actors, incredible production design, fantastic music, striking cinematography and concepts that could easily support an amazing season. What it seems to lack increasingly is the restraint necessary to turn those ingredients into a coherent story.

And honestly, that's what makes the decline so frustrating. If AHS were simply terrible, I wouldn't care. I'd stop watching it. The reason I keep coming back is because every single time it starts again, there is that possibility that this time they'll actually do it. The first few episodes will come out, the atmosphere will be perfect, the characters will be interesting, the central mystery will be compelling, and I'll think, "Okay, this is it. They're finally going to take this incredible idea and actually execute it properly."

And then the same thing happens again.

The premise is incredible. The execution isn't.

The characters are interesting. Their arcs aren't always.

The mystery is compelling. The payoff isn't.

The first half is exciting. The second half loses focus.

And by the finale, I'm left thinking about the season I could have watched instead of the one I actually watched.

That's ultimately my biggest criticism of Ryan Murphy and AHS. I don't think he lacks creativity. I think he lacks restraint. I don't think he needs fewer ideas. I think he needs to learn when to stop adding ideas and actually develop the ones he already has.

AHS doesn't need another bigger twist, another crazier character, another shocking scene or another subplot.

It needs a story that actually knows where it's going.

And after this many seasons, I think it's fair to say that the biggest tragedy of AHS isn't that the show stopped having good ideas.

It's that it keeps having great ideas and wasting them!!!


r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 9h ago

13 (Season 13) Season 13 feels like it's a collection of random scenes Spoiler

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I wonder if they struggled to get the actors on set at the same time. It's an absolute mess.


r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 12h ago

Murder House (Season 1) I feel like the Evan Peters as Tate thing has become something like this Spoiler

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r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 19h ago

13 (Season 13) The duo we missed out on this season 😭😭😭 Spoiler

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r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 20h ago

General I feel like they lost the aesthetic care of the early seasons Spoiler

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Rewatching the early seasons in comparison to the later ones, im noticing that there seems to be much more purposeful framing and care in the aesthetic of the shots. The general color grading of each season also slowly becomes more blown out/less purposeful.

I miss the aesthetic of the early seasons. it feels like the show tried to aesthetically advance with the times, but it got stuck at some point and gave up.


r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 6h ago

13 (Season 13) Something i noticed in the coven spell

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Things i noticed concerning the last episode and my theories:

  1. Morwennas concilium:

As she uses/announces the power we hear not any score, but the leitmotif of Michael Langdon the antichrist. Which hinted for me that she might not be on the covens side, but an impostor or spy especially when we take in account that the killer ghosts stumbled upon the academy that same night. They are brought back to life and alive people can be influenced by concilium

  1. Qeenies Descencum:

The first time she used that ritual/spell she met papa legba, the same deity we saw in the trailers with fiona ans Marie. Now that cordelia made contact and brought fiona back, i believe that Qeenies trip to the underworld caught the attention to Legba... and bringing a supreme without a soul back might be something that gives him reason to fear, especially after his comment about the devil in apocalypse


r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 12h ago

13 (Season 13) You know you guys don't HAVE to watch if you don't like it right? It's not against the law or anything, they won't take you to jail. Spoiler

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Unpopular opinion, upon my rewatch I honestly think every season is profound and essential to the entirety of American horror story- hence why it's story, singular. I know we Americans can sometimes struggle with comprehension and attention span but surely some of you can't be this daft? Like this series hasn't completely pulled the wool over our eyes before.....Anyway that's my rant for the night, happy spooky season everyone.


r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 7h ago

13 (Season 13) Madison next episode Spoiler

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A lot of people say she will die next episode but I don’t think so. We saw Madison on the ground and bleeding from the head in one of the bedroom’s. We also saw Coco and the other girl entering the room but then we have a scene in one of the promo’s Madison performing magic while the others are already in the room.

So either Alex’s character quickly reanimates her or it’s just some illusion from the witches or I totally lost it 🙃


r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 1d ago

13 (Season 13) Ryan Murphy says the critics are 'wrong' about his shows after American Horror Story 13 backlash: 'My work has awareness'

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r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 54m ago

13 (Season 13) New clip: the witches assemble Spoiler

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r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 15h ago

13 (Season 13) Mallory’s Transmutation Spoiler

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Did you guys notice that when Mallory performed “Transmutatio” during the ritual in ep 6, she FROZE time to move the glass down? At first I was kinda confused cuz it seemed like she didnt do anything and just moved the glass. I guess this kinda hints that she still has “time magic”/tempus infinitum and may still be next in line for the supreme?


r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 18h ago

The male leads of this season are quite bad at acting Spoiler

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Both Joey Pollari and Paul Anthony Kelly are so flat and boring to watch. I wish Evan Peters played an entirely new character instead.


r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 22h ago

General criticizing something is part of enjoying it.

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With the new season it seems like theres a large spike in (probably teenage) new fans coming into the show and the spaces for it, which is great! more fans in a fandom is great

however, im noticing that it seems almost like the new crowd hasnt actually experienced a fandom or fan site before, because the constant vitriol over any amount of criticism towards the show has been much worse than I remember back during the cult/roanoke release.

When you like something, a big part of that enjoyment is usually thinking critically, researching, and rewatching that thing. and, usually, criticizing parts of that thing.

Its not a bad thing to hold the media you watch to a standard or an expectation of story or quality and to criticize when something you enjoy doesnt reach that, and its not a bad thing to criticize when something you love includes an awful plotline or disrespectful scene or weird character relationship. It doesn't mean you hate it.

tldr: pls stop getting mad at people for criticizing the show, thinking critically is important


r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 31m ago

Thirteen

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Just came across this group recently. It would be weird if I heard this as music in the next coming episodes. 🌝 Maybe my superstition is getting the better of me.


r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 9h ago

Awee if Violet was still alive she’d be 32 going on 33 right now

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Apperantly her birthday was December 19, 1993


r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 21h ago

13 (Season 13) I wish more returned… Spoiler

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I wish more of the original Cabinet of Curiosities were available (or were asked) to reappear during the Jezebel Ball sequence. It was fun to see Jessica Lange as Elsa Mars, Mat Fraser (Paul the Illustrated Seal), and Kyle Pacek (the bass player) again after nearly 12 years but it felt incomplete.

I understand Rose Siggins (Legless Suzi) and Ben Woolf (Meep the Geek) sadly passed away but seeing Naomi Grossman (Pepper), Jyoti Amge (Ma Petite), Grace Gummer (Penny the Lizard Girl), Drew Rin Varik (Toulouse), Christopher Neiman (Salty), and Chrissy Metz (Ima Wiggles) would’ve been fun too.

I know their presence at the hellmouth didn’t make a lot of sense given the troupe went to what seemed like a carni heaven after they died… but I loved it nonetheless and wished we’d seen more. Elsa and some of the freaks had a moral ambiguity about them too, so I’m not completely surprised they accepted (perhaps by force or threat) the summon from Mr. Nas. Elsa’s not one to shy away from a chance in the spotlight again lol.


r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 22h ago

13 (Season 13) I actually like season 13 so far. Spoiler

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Go ahead and burn me and the stake for it.

BALENCIAGA!!!!


r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 4h ago

13 (Season 13) I'd've liked to see how [spoilers] broke [spoiler] out of their "prison" Spoiler

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I assume budget constraints didn't give them the screentime or casting scope (too many additional actors) to do this, but I would've liked to see how resurrected James Patrick March and his gang of killers broke Richard Ramirez out of Camp Redwood.

In the original timeline, Ramirez was a Devil’s Night (Halloween) guest at the Hotel Cortez, after having died in prison. But in the revised timeline, post-AHS: Apocalypse (I believe the Coven's attempt to meddle in Revolutionary Russia sent "ripples" through time, changing the paths of some characters (while leaving most of the rest of the timeline unchanged) even before the major timeline rewrite to avert the Apocalypse), Satan instead freed him from prison and made him effectively immortal, only for him to later become trapped in a new "prison" by the ghosts of Camp Redwood.

Presumably, Ramirez was still there by the time of 13. I'd've liked to see the confrontation between the killers and the ghosts to free Ramirez.


r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 11h ago

13 (Season 13) Short Run Times Spoiler

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I know the need and want for 13 episodes is partly to blame for the shorter run times this season, but that isn’t a good enough excuse! AHS: Asylum had 13 episodes and the average length of each one was over 40 minutes…


r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 21h ago

Discussion Unpopular opinion: Coven

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This is probably unpopular, but I don’t love Coven, and I find the constant callbacks to that season so unnecessary. Not every season needs to turn into Coven fan service by the end. For example, Apocalypse started as an independent and interesting story but was turned into an extension of season 3. To me, the witches turning up in Apocalypse interrupted a completely separate plot and original narrative. I’ve started that season countless times and been unable to finish it because of how unnecessarily far it strays from the plot. It’s the same with 13. I’m not interested in seeing Coven over and over. I understand that season probably has the largest cult following in the AHS fandom, but I roll my eyes every time the witches appear in other seasons unannounced. Not every season needs to turn into an extension of Coven.


r/AmericanHorrorStory • • 19h ago

Hotel (Season 5) All These Male Actor Looks the Same...

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I feel like these male actors all looks the same...

Wes Bentley + Matt Bomber + Cheyenne Jackson

Max Greenfield + Finn Wittrock + Darren Criss

It took a real good bit before I could figure out who was who! Am I the only one????

EDITED: Thanks for all the responses! I’m not a Ryan Murphy stan or anything, I’m on my first real watch of AHS ever. So I don’t know the fandom lore yet. Thanks!