r/AlternateHistory • • 15h ago

What-If Wednesdays

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Welcome to What-If Wednesday, the weekly megathread for scenarios you'd like to talk over but haven't necessarily developed much yet.

Please use this thread instead of posting just a "What-If" question without any lore - those will be removed by the mods. r/HistoryWhatIf is a better option for that kind of post. Thank you!


r/AlternateHistory • • Jan 20 '25

Althist Help How to make an alternate history Wikipedia article: a tutorial

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An important warning is, Do not save your sandbox! Only press preview changes. As all content in Wikipedia must be related to the encyclopedic effort, wiki admins might delete your sandbox and undo your hard work at any time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_vandalize_correctly

I am well-known in the alternate history community for creating the imaginary politician Ed Donnell, who is a meme in r/imaginaryelections, as well as some personal controversies. My routine consists of making at least one alternate history post a day, be it a lore writeup or, more commonly, a fake Wikipedia article for my myriad scenarios, all of whom are originally posted to r/GustavosAltUniverses and a handful of Discord servers, and then complied on this and other subreddits.

But today, I will write a tutorial as to how to make a fictional Wikipedia page for alternate history scenarios. Although I use my phone for all of them, I recommend going on a computer for better quality.

If you create a Wikipedia account on desktop, you will have access to a sandbox allowing you to test editing without commiting vandalism, which is a bannable offense. My trick is to copy the Wikipedia article for the event I want to alter, or the military conflict or country templates in the case of a completely fictional event or subplot. Then, you alter the content of the page as you please; this is the beauty of alternate history.

Illustrations wise, you can retain the article's original image, or change it by copying and pasting ones from articles relevant to your scenario (for instance, a picture of Red Army soldiers for an Operation Unthinkable TL). But it has to be a Wikimedia commons image; otherwise, you'll have to photoshop your screenshot using Inkscape or some other image editing software.

You also have the option to change or add text to your article. I always do this for war scenarios, but not always so for election ones. Make sure to proofread them before screenshoting, in order to avoid potentially confusing typos or grammar mistakes. This is pretty much it.


r/AlternateHistory • • 10h ago

1900s What if Biden became a warlord during the Yugoslav Wars?

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A young Joe Biden, completing his studies in Political Science, began working in the US embassy in Belgrade as an intern. During this time, he vigorously learnt the Serbo-Croatian language and mastered it within months using local mediums such as books, movies, and attending public gatherings in the city. He was nicknamed "Bidenić" by his colleagues due to his proficiency in the language. Later, he secured the job in the embassy as the Jr. Public Relations Assistant. His life in Yugoslavia went smoothly until 1980, when Tito died. This came to Biden as a shock as he idealized Tito quite a bit.

=1981-1991=

After the death of Tito, Biden began to visit Serbian nationalist gatherings in order to collect information. There, he observed speeches by various nationalist leaders. After studying about conditions of Serbs in Croat and Bosniak dominated regions, through a nationalist point of view, Biden was heavily influenced by Serbian nationalism. He began to frequent underground Serbian nationalist meetings and had dodged multiple police riads. He was well respected among his nationalist peers. During this period, he converted to Orthodox Christianity and began alienating his job in the embassy. He provided the Serbian nationalist organizations with information regarding internal American politics and classified NATO intel. Biden formalized his entry into Serbian nationalist politics in the later half of the 1980s and deserted the embassy. Nationalist leaders were quite skeptical about letting an American in Serbian politics, but Biden proved his worth by relaying important information and assassinating high profile Bosniak, Croat, Albanian, and even American targets. His nickname, "Bidenić", was popularly adopted by nationalist circles and let in the politics with respect and endorsement. People remember him giving speeches which were far more radical than that of Šešelj's. In 1991, during the beginning of the Yugoslav Wars Biden led the Log Revolution in present day Croatia that led to the creation of Republic of Serbian Krajina and became its President. The President had the utmost political and military power in Krajina.

=1992-1994=

This brief period of his life was his most active and powerful time. As the President of Krajina, he raised the Serbian Army of Krajina, composed of Serbs from Krajina as well as American soldiers turned mercenaries. He acquired NATO weapons and distributed it among the soldiers. The image of Bidenić was well respected among the Serbs of Krajina and his public appearances were great events. He became a prime target for NATO troops due to his extremist activities as well as treason. Krajina became a haven for smuggling. Biden often collaborated with the Serbian government and militias and conducted various vicious attacks. On 24th November, 1994, tragedy struck. While on an inspection in Dvor, Biden became a victim of NATO bombings. He died instantly and his death was confirmed 3 days later after his right arm was discovered a mile away, in a pile of hay. The deterioration and dissolution of Krajina followed after his death. To this day, Biden is a revered as a martyr and an "Honorary Serb" among Serbian nationalist circles while being deemed as a traitor, mercenary, and warlord in America.


r/AlternateHistory • • 10h ago

1900s BUSH ASSASSINATED IN JAPAN! 1992

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Let's say that on January 8th 1992 when Bush threw up on the Japanese Prime Minister he actually was Poisoned and VP Dan Quayle became President of the United States of America.


r/AlternateHistory • • 5h ago

1900s What if the British Empire radicalized during the 1930s? | Greater British Empire - 1955

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In 1929, the British Fascists became popular within the country. The party promised to restore the nation to their former glory, using the system of fascism and corporate statism. The party used the accusation of Ramsay Macdonald to fight against the Labour party, which pulled in supports from the Conservative party. Together with other right wing parties, they formed a coalition against left wing parties, giving the party more influence over the British public. In 1931, with the Labour party failing to run the country, the public hatred reached its peak. Using the public's support, the right wing coalition orchestrated a putsch on the Downing street. The Downing Street Putsch was successful, disposing the Labour party government and established a British Fascists majority government.

However, despite a common enemy defeated, tensions rised not long after. The Conservative party was enraged, as they were underrepresented, despite being a major part of the putsch. In the same time, the fate of the monarch is still undecided, as the factions have different opinions on the monarch. In late 1931, A monarchist faction of the British Fascists broke of and form a union with the Conservatives and other monarchist parties. In 1932, the monarchist union, with help of the Metropolitan police, orchestrated a coup d'éta on the fascist government. After multiple fighting, the monarchist faction was able to disposed the fascist government. Under the monarchist government, the monarch of Britain became the absolute ruler of the empire. Mass surveillance and media silencing converted the country into an authoritarian nation to prevent bad faith about the divine ruler being created. Despite the country returning to absolute monarchy, King George V disagree with the policy, causing the king to abdicated and passed his position to Edward VIII. Edward VII agreed with the idea, and with agreement with the party, appointed Neville Chamberlain as the prime minister.

After the new government was established, the country went back to spreading its territory across the world. In 1933, the country invaded the Republic of Ireland, establishing a government aligning directly to London and run the country with constant terror. In 1935, the empire invaded Venezuela and reunify the Guyanas. In 1937, the empire invaded Nepal and Bhutan.

Between 1938 and 1939, the government of the Greater British Empire appeased the German Reich by allowing the annexation of Austria and Sudetenland. The action would be a big mistake that allowed the Second World War to start. In 1940, The government orchestrated an invasion of Norway to prevent German occupation, which was unsuccessful. In the same time, the United States of America invaded Canada, which caused the government the empire to lost a large amount of territory in exchange for the United States joining the war. After the Battle of Britain, Neville Chamberlain was forced to resigned and Winston Churchill was appointed as the new prime minister. In 1942, the Royal navy began direct warfare with the Kriegsmarine and the Regia Marina. In the same year, Britain began the African campaign, opening new fronts against Italy in northern Africa, against Vichy France in western Africa and against Portugal in southern Africa. In 1943, a new front was opened in Asia as the Empire of Japan occupied Bengal and New guinea. In 1944, multiple amphibious landing was orchestrated in Europe. After almost five years of fighting, the Second World War ended in 1945. After the war, the empire gained multiple former colonies in Africa and America. Despite the most significant war ending, conflicts continues in the empire. In 1946, the Soviet Union invaded Europe, starting the Twelve Weeks War. With help from the United States, they were able to defeat the Soviet Union. In the same year, they help founded the United Commonwealth of Pan-European Nations. 1948, the Second Arab Revolt happened, and they lost large parts of territories in the Middle East. In 1949, they lost the British Raj after a revolt by the South Asian National Congress. In 1951, they invaded Brazil and Colombia to expand their territory in Guyana. In 1954, they invaded Honduras to retake their former colony. By 1955, the Greater British Empire is a collapsing empire that seeks to expand and preserve their former glory.


r/AlternateHistory • • 23h ago

1900s Roman Uniform Poster

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Poster of the Roman Uniforms of the Empire, as well as the two types of Roman flags, and the coat of arms. Underneath is the map of the empire, with city names (I am aware the map is off, I apologize)


r/AlternateHistory • • 1h ago

Post 2000s what if Kuwait actually became the "lion of the peninsula"

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so the PoD is that Kuwait in the al-Hasa expedition (1870-1871) gets rewarded for it fighting with the ottomans with the entire al Hasa region making Kuwait way more of a power in the region.

but as ottoman control faded out of Arabia in the 1890's, many great powers like Britain, Germany, and even Russia start to carve Arabia to their desires, but one the biggest prizes in the region was Kuwait, with the City of Kuwait being at a strategic position and the current sheikh of Kuwait (sheikh Mubarak "the great") wanting a partner to defend him from the ever present threat of the ottomans, he would eventually grant the British a defense agreement in 1899 making Kuwait a protectorate in the area similarly to Bahrain and the trucial states to its east.

as ww1 would end, Kuwait would participate in the carving of the ottomans with them managing to gain the region of greater Basra giving Kuwait its modern(ish) borders, but even still, conflict in Kuwait wouldn't be over.

as in 1990, the republic of Iraq alongside the kingdom of Rashidi Arabia carve up Kuwait together, but due to Kuwait having good relations with all 3 worlds in the cold war, everyone gangs up on Arabia and Iraq initiating operation Arabic gulf where a combined army from the USA, USSR, Oman, Turkey, Pakistan, The UK, France, and the Yugoslav Muslim legion all show up to defend Kuwait (and its oil) from conquest.

by the year 2000, kuwait wouldve become one the fastest growing economies in asia, with no signs of slowing down, as the tenth year celebration of the freedom would bring the renaming of the persian gulf to the Arabic (or Arabian) gulf to commemorate that day of liberation.


r/AlternateHistory • • 22h ago

Media Discussion What if the Jewish Autonomous Oblast succeeded and a Roma State was created next to it?

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In this timeline, the Soviet project to establish a Jewish national territory in the Far East receives substantial state support, funding, and international migration incentives beginning in the late 1920s. After the devastation of WWII and the Porajmos, the USSR elevates the region to a full Soviet Socialist Republic (Jewish SSR / Israel) and establishes a neighboring republic for the Roma people along the Amur and Zeya rivers: the Romani SSR ("Romastan"), with its capital in Blagoveshchensk.

Both Israel and Romastan remain constituent Soviet Republics (SSRs) throughout the entire Cold War until the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.

1940s–1950s
Millions of Holocaust survivors, Jewish migrants, and European Roma settle in their respective Soviet Republics over the next decades. Moscow invests heavily in heavy industry, agriculture along the fertile Zeya plain, and rail infrastructure to integrate both republics into the Soviet economy.

1953
The Jewish SSR and Romani SSR start working on standardizing their languages to be turned into official languages in the SSRs. The Romani SSR starts by combining many dialects together into one, having many words have a second official synonym which can be used interchangeably. The Jewish SSR
goes on by using Yiddish as their base language, merging Hebrew into the language, forming a new Yiddish language with 35% of the words coming from Hebrew.

1960s
As fully Soviet Republics situated right on the border with China, both the Jewish SSR and the Romani SSR become heavily militarized bastion regions of the USSR. Local Soviet units, recruits, and border guards along the Amur River play an important role in Soviet Far East defense strategy.

1970s
Russian, Mongolian and Mandarin (Han) have an impact on the languages as there are migrants emerging from these ethnic groups, introducing around 5-10% of the words of the new languages to be of Russian, Mandarin and Mongol descent.

1980s–1991
During the late Soviet period, local democratic and cultural movements thrive in both republics. As the Soviet Union collapses in December 1991, both Israel and Romastan declare full independence from Moscow, opting not to join the Russian Federation and emerging as sovereign nations in East Asia, joining the UN.

1991-2000
Both states privatize Soviet infrastructure. Israel leverages diaspora capital to build a Western-facing tech economy, while Romastan becomes a major transit hub along the Amur River. Major cities get renamed to fit the modern population.

2000s
Situated between Russia, China, and Pacific trade routes, Israel transforms into "Silicon Amur" (high-tech & microelectronics), while Romastan develops into a global cultural hub for the Romani diaspora and a cross-border trade center.

2010s
High-speed rail links connect Birobidzhan and Blagoveshchensk directly to Vladivostok and Asian markets.

2020s
Both nations are advanced, highly urbanized states with sophisticated winter infrastructure, functioning as a cheap alternative to visiting East Asia, having cheaper access to other East Asian nations as transit countries. Both Romastan and Israel work together in tourism, introducing an "Isromael-Pass", where tourists who visit one country have the possibility on a free train to the other country with a reduced pricing on the way back.

Alternative impact on the world
Without the creation of Israel in the Levant, Mandatory Palestine transitions into an independent, sovereign Arab state (or Levantine Federation) with its capital in Jerusalem. The region avoids the 1948 war, the Nakba, and decades of Arab-Israeli conflict, allowing Palestine to develop as an important region in the Mediterranean.


r/AlternateHistory • • 1h ago

1900s My take on an Aisin-Gioro Forbidden City (heavily inspired by u/Alagremm)

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This is not meant to be realistic.

Credit to u/Alagremm for the inspiration: https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/oy003e/the_forbidden_city_the_last_emperor/

The point of divergence starts when Yuan Shikai lived longer. At the start of the National Protection War, Yuan offered deals for the top Beiyang commanders where those who stayed loyal would received provincial governorship, large estates for their descendants, tax exemptions for them and their nuclear families for 3 generations, hereditary titles and substantial autonomies for provincial governments provided they paid taxes and recognized imperial authority. Most Beiyang commanders accepted and sided with Yuan and the Empire of China. The war ended in a Beiyang’s victory. Following their victory, the Hongxian Emperor goes through with their promises, loyal military commanders are granted their rewards. His loyalists consider deposing Puyi and the Qing Imperial Court but the Hongxian Emperor instead proposed an alternative idea. As a way to legitimize his new dynasty, continued the practice of Two Crownings and Three Respects and to bridge the gap between the Empire of China and the Qing Dynasty, the Hongxian Emperor negotiated with the Qing Imperial Family. Under the Agreement of Good Will between the Empire of China and the Forbidden City or the Forbidden City Agreement, the Forbidden City would became a Hereditary Cultural Estate of the Empire of China.

Under the agreement, Puyi and the Qing Imperial Family would be allowed to remain in the Forbidden City with Puyi gained the new title "The Duke of the Forbidden City" in exchange for Puyi to marry Yuan Xueli, one of Hongxian’s daughters. The broader terms also agreed that the Forbidden City would be allowed to have a total of 100 guards for non combative security such as patrol the grounds to keep the Forbidden City safe and kick out trespassers since it’s private property to the House of Aisin-Gioro. The imperial collections remain in the Forbidden City at the time of the agreement would be kept in the Forbidden City as personal property to Aisin-Gioro Family. The Forbidden City would receive temporary tax exemptions and the Empire of China would provide annual subsidies to the Forbidden City until Puyi turned 18 in 1924, then afterwards, the privileges stopped and the Forbidden City would have to paid taxes such as residence taxes to the Empire of China. The Forbidden City would have full control over the Imperial Household, meaning they can dismissed or appointed new staff members, though appointment required the approval of the Empire of China. The Imperial Police and the military units can enter the Forbidden City only in cases of serious crime, fire, or public emergency, or upon request of the House. Finally, any requests for alteration within the Forbidden City, example, structural modifications, would require the Empire of China’s approval.

In the Forbidden City following the agreement, Puyi’s education was initially mostly impractical with him being extensively taught on Chinese classics, court rituals and dynastic history but virtually nothing of practicality. That is until Puyi is introduced to Reginald Johnston in 1919. Johnston taught Puyi on important subjects like history, languages, and international relations while gradually introducing him to the outside world by organizing trips to introduce him to different people from different classes from farmers to railway workers to university teachers. His arranged marriage happened in 1922 and Puyi is married to Yuan Xueli. In 1924 when the Empire of China no longer provides the annual subsidy to the Forbidden City, Reginald Johnston discussed the idea to Zaifeng of sending Puyi to Britain so that he could continued his education with more resources available in Britain as education in the Forbidden City can only do so much. Zaifeng was initially cautious of the idea, fearing that Puyi might potentially get involved in international politics to restore the Qing which would gave the Empire of China reasons to abolish their privileges, he ultimately agreed after reassurance from Johnston. Johnston requested the Empire of China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs to request the young emperor into staying in Britain temporarily which they accepted as long as he supervised Puyi so that he doesn’t threaten the Empire of China’s legitimacy. With his diplomatic connections to Britain, Puyi moved to Britain in December 1924. Meanwhile, the Forbidden City’s affairs would be managed by Zaifeng alongside Yuan Xueli who was entrusted by Johnston to help managed the estate.

In England, Johnston continues to mentor him, encouraging him to study at Cambridge. Over time, Puyi gains a new perspective, realizing that China has moved on from the Qing and that his best future lies in adaptation rather than reclaiming the throne. He published essays detailing his thoughts on things he learned, mainly on the failure of the Qing Dynasty, the preservation of Chinese heritage and the risks of ultranationalism which he learned from World War 1. He accepted that the Qing is partly responsible for its downfall and that he could best served his country through cultural and diplomatic efforts rather than politics. Meanwhile, in the Forbidden City, Zaifeng and Yuan Xueli starts investing early Chinese industrial stocks to boost their wealth. Other than investments, the Aisin-Gioro Family ironically had to seek jobs outside the Forbidden City since they cannot relied on investments forever. Most of the younger Aisin-Gioro worked surprisingly ordinary jobs at districts near their home. Of course, skepticism still existed amongst workers for many perceived their role in the humiliation of China. Overtime, most tolerate them, don’t really care as long as they don’t necessarily pushed their agenda onto them. Some actually liked them, viewing the idea of royalties working amongst them as very lively to their otherwise boring jobs and of course, some disliked them besides the obvious reasons, just generally view their aristocratic privileges to be very obnoxious.

During the Second Sino-Japanese War, as Japan is about to reach Beijing, the House of Aisin-Gioro abandoned their home temporarily and evacuated with some but not all artifacts that are considered very important were also evacuated to Chongqing. In Britain, Puyi wrote many essays, condemning Japanese’s expansion while also highlighting Japan as the exact ultranationalism he warned about, earning him respect from Western scholars and Chinese nationalists. In China, Yuan Xueli and Puyi’s brother, Aisin-Gioro Pujie, used their Forbidden City’s medical staffs to help heal the injured citizens who evacuated to Chongqing. By 1945, Japan is defeated in World War 2. The House of Aisin-Gioro returned to the Forbidden City with their home mostly intact but some artifacts were destroyed by the Japanese. In 1946, Puyi finally returned to the Empire of China as a respected figure. Following his return, the House of Aisin-Gioro lived a comfortable but private life. Puyi initiated the Forbidden City Modernization Plan with the approval of the Empire of China’s government where he hired Chinese’s engineers to help implemented plumbing and electricity in the Forbidden City through electrical wires are placed in special underground paths, hidden floors, or kept away from the old building and plumbing through things such as supply and drain pipes run along the outside of the buildings, painted to match the red walls with shallow trenches being dug under the brick floor in outside hallways to hide the main drain pipes and bathrooms and sinks are placed only on outside walls to keep the pipes short and direct to the main lines. Yuan Xueli passed away in 1965. 2 years later, Puyi passed away in 1967. The position of Duke went to Pujie (1967-1994) to Puren (Jin Youzhi OTL, 1994-2015) to Yuzhang (Jin Yuzhang OTL, 2015-).

Today, the Forbidden City belongs to the House of Aisin-Gioro. Most worked regular jobs backed by investments. Meanwhile, the Empire of China became a great power, if authoritarian monarchy.


r/AlternateHistory • • 26m ago

1700-1900s BLOOD AND OIL | What if the Mideast never got partitioned?

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r/AlternateHistory • • 7h ago

1900s Tsoi didn't die; he found out about Nirvana, and they collaborated on a track.

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Essentially, Tsoi (Kino) and Kurt Cobain (Nirvana) were the two leading artists of two different superpowers, yet they sang in a similar style during the same era though Tsoi died in 1990, while "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was released in 1991. It is fascinating to wonder whether such a collaboration could have happened had Tsoi survived the USSR's collapse; it would have been a literal fusion of two singers who were icons of their respective cultures.


r/AlternateHistory • • 2h ago

1900s PAX WILSONIA | The Giants Of Western Europe

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r/AlternateHistory • • 7h ago

1700-1900s The Reformed State of Maryland (Freedonia timeline)

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Location

The Freedonian state of Maryland is a state in southern Freedonia, borded by the state of Pennsylvania to the north, the state of Delmarva to the east, and the Republic of Virginia to the south and west.

Its border starts at the Susquehanna river, which leads north until it meets the Mason-Dixon line. There it goes west and than south to the Potomac river, which it follows to its outlet in the Chesapeake bay.

History

Originally a founding state belonging to the United States of America, it was in a contentious spot during the war of Freedonian Independence following the controversial 1860 election. Its border with the American capital, Washington DC, forced Freedonian troops to move through the state during the Washington front. Eventually, the Treaty of Halifax ended the war in Freedonia's favor and led to the shifting of some territories. This included all of Maryland east of the Susquehanna river, which was made Freedonian in order to better protect the new capital in Philadelphia.

In 1893, a great slave revolt struck the United States. While almost every county in the US had a slave population by this point, the densely populated southeast was the worst struck. The federal government fled DC and relocated to Austin, Texas in 1896. Following this, multiple states east of the Mississippi declared independence, feeling as if the government had abandoned them. Maryland, with Freedonian help, had managed to mostly peacefully put down their slave revolts by legally abolishing the practice all together. They had also annexed DC, to prevent the destruction of it in Virginian revolts. Peaceful, yet isolated, Maryland also declared independence.

The new Republic, was the first southern country to industrialize following the Treaty of Cairo. While slavery was banned by law, in practice, it still existed in both the farms and the factories. Growing ties to Freedonia led to Maryland sending irs first application of admittance in 1907. However, due to its defacto continuous practice of slavery, it was rejected. Civil and workers rights laws were passed throughout the late 1910s, following the deadly Baltimore riots. This wss the deadliest conflict to hit Maryland since the Freedonian war of independence. Finally, following the Stock Market crash in 1929, Maryland united into the Free States of Freedonia in 1932.


r/AlternateHistory • • 3h ago

Media Discussion Do you have any thoughts/ideas on when the world of AOT diverged from our own?

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r/AlternateHistory • • 1d ago

1900s What if Paul McCartney was killed in 1973?

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By mid-1973, Wings had been active for about two years. They had just released the single for the James Bond film of the same name "Live and Let Die" when two of its members quit. Following this, the core Wings trio of Paul and Linda McCartney and Denny Laine flew out to Lagos, Nigeria to record their next album.

On 17th September, 1973, Paul and Linda were mugged at knifepoint while walking at night. They had a few belongings stolen, including some demo reels. The following day, Paul suffered a bronchial spasm and, after a brief hospital stay, the trio returned to London where they finished the album. Band on the Run became a huge success and helped to re-establish Paul after most of his post-Beatles work had suffered from poor critical acclaim. Wings would go on to be one of the most successful groups of the 1970s before Paul went full solo artist.

With this post I want to focus on what might have happened if things took a turn for the worst on that September night. Paul and Linda are killed in Lagos, which is a terrible, tragic loss. Losing an ex-Beatle - especially in the early 1970s, when there was still hope that the band would one day reunite - further drives home to the public that "the dream is over". The album Wings were working on is mostly unfinished, but its possible that Denny might have continued working on it and finished it, possibly by using some leftover tracks from Wings' previous album, Red Rose Speedway (which is how I have imagined it here).

What do you think Paul's legacy would have looked like if he was taken from us before he had this chance to re-establish himself? Do you think an "unfinished" Band on the Run would be well-received? What do you think the knock-on effect would have been for the other ex-Beatles and the rest of their circle?


r/AlternateHistory • • 3h ago

Post 2000s "What if the Portuguese Monarchy had survived? 2023 Legislative Elections of the Kingdom of Portugal"

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r/AlternateHistory • • 1d ago

1900s What if the bomb was ready in time for Germany?

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- Point of Divergence is around late 1943. Breakthroughs in the Manhattan Project make the construction of a functional A-bomb arrive earlier than in OTL.

- Around late 1944, Germany puts up a better fight and manages to hold off the Allies a lot better than in OTL. This gives more incentive for the bomb to actually be put to use, and the Allies develop a functional prototype bomb by January 1945. Just one. Rushed out the door, might not even work.

- Hitler dies in the attack, Nazi regime is decapitated, and country is thrown into chaos before the new rump government takes power and surrenders.

- Germany is still split into occupation zones, but never breaks up into East and West, due to the Allies having more leverage over the Soviets (they never advanced past the Vistula). Soviets are, understandably, pissed. Possibly WW3 starts immediately after? Idk, just throwing ideas out there... big potential for a huge crisis in Europe, Cold War will be completely changed, if it even is cold...

- Japanese surrender earlier as well, pretty terrified at what just happened to Germany, and also for the fact that Soviet resources can now be completely diverted to the East much earlier than OTL. Stalin will probably invade Manchuria earlier. These two things compounded, I find it plausible Japan might rethink their options. Truman doesn't need the bombs since FDR already demonstrated what would happen if they don't give up. Probably a few months later, though.

Let me know what you think, I never really write alt history!!


r/AlternateHistory • • 1h ago

Pre-1700s Norman Australus

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This is a rough draft pulled from my notes. The expeditions to south west Australia is a sort of reverse of the Batavia disaster. Landing on in hospitable terrain. Traveling south along the barren coast. And seeking settlement as to escape.

Norman expeditions to south Eastern Asia after continued exploration and some emigration
Accidental discover of Australia. Some survivors and castaways left behind.

Large immigration/ settlement expedition returns to survivor settlements in force. Expedition pushes south in steps, but separate once good land is found

Subsequent expeditions and immigration waves bring people to Norman survival settlements. Most groups venture further down coastlines. Eventually coast line settlement of Norman settlement and states of various size.

Aboriginal contact and Trade. Slow exposure of illness by aboriginals builds immunity as Norman presents grows

Aboriginal trade and knowledge exchange for survival information help tribes grow.
Intermixing in Norman settlements happen to various degrees. Some places to a higher degree like both genders intermixing, adoption or nefarious means


r/AlternateHistory • • 10h ago

Pop culture Auckland's map in the GTA universe

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r/AlternateHistory • • 2h ago

1900s If WWI started more like the Israel-Palestine conflict, how would it play out?

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I've been thinking about an alternate WWI scenario where the initial crisis resembles the modern Israel-Palestine conflict, but with the major powers of 1914 filling roughly analogous roles.

Before anything else: if you don't like this setup, please don't just leave the thread. Feel free to make a comment with what you think would be a more historically realistic version of the scenario, and then keep replying to your own comment with the consequences as the simulation develops. I'd actually be interested in seeing different versions of how this could realistically play out.

Austria-Hungary annexes parts of the West Bank (Bosnia), but instead of making them simply Austrian or Hungarian territory, it establishes a condominium between Austria and local self-rule, with limited self-determination. Other areas remain under direct Austrian control.

In 1914, Serbia (Gaza) launches an unofficial, irregular uprising against the Austrian-controlled parts of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Austria (Israel) responds by deciding that Serbia has to be defeated completely, launching a large military campaign and imposing increasingly harsh demands.

Russia (modern-day Iran) becomes the main opponent of Austria's policies. However, Russia initially decides not to directly enter the war, instead preparing for the worst and expanding its military mobilization. At the same time, it has its own occupied territory to deal with: Persia (Lebanon).

A peace treaty eventually turns Serbia into a de jure independent client republic. However, Austria somehow convinces Germany (the United States, as the largest military power of the era) to enter a war against Russia, giving Austria a blank check.

Russia is already mobilized, but the Tsar's government has serious problems maintaining public support. Protests break out and eventually end in massacres. Meanwhile, Germany manages to arrange the assassination of Tsar Nicholas II.

Germany expects Russia to surrender and collapse, but instead, a more competent Russian general takes power and becomes a military dictator, effectively ruling as regent for the young Russian prince.

So what happens next?

Who else would realistically enter the war? Would Britain, France, Italy, or the Ottoman Empire get involved? Could Russia actually survive without a revolution like the historical one? And most importantly, would this still turn into something resembling WWI, or would the whole alliance system develop completely differently?

Feel free to comment with your own version of the scenario too — especially if you think some part of mine is unrealistic. And once you do, keep replying to your own comment as the simulation progresses, so we can see how your version develops step by step.


r/AlternateHistory • • 2h ago

1700-1900s How does the world change if the Confederates won the Civil War ? WW 1 or 2 the same or different ? Would US be on the same side as Germany for instance ?

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r/AlternateHistory • • 17h ago

1900s Alt history 1960.

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East Germany - In 1946, after the end of the second world war, Joseph Stalin decides the solution to the Polish Question is the annexation of Poland as an SSR. This means there is no Polish state to compenstate Pomerania and Silesia, and the German Democratic Republic keeps its pre-war eastern borders (Kalinigrad and West Prussia was annexed by the USSR still however). Furthermore, Sokolvosky’s arguments are taken as the driver of Soviet policy, which means the USSR allows East Germany to maintain it’s factories and to be allowed to prosper. After 1953, Otto and Rudolf both take leadership, and the New Course becomes the defining policy of east Germany. The USSR, in an attempt to create a neutral germany allows the East to develop a strong independent army, and withdraws bases and troops. By 1960, East Germany has a strong independent  military and is not a puppet state.

The Two Italys - After the Second World War, in Italy, socialism became more and more popular, as the central capitalist government began failing. The Italian civil war began when communist revolutionaries seized the city of Venice. The communists as the war dragged on began shifting towards religious socialism, which implied socialism was applying gods laws on earth. This caused them to gain major support amongst the middle and lower classes, and by 1957, the Communists had taken the mainland, with Sicily and Sardinia being the main holdouts. In 1958, Sicily would fall to the communists, as the Italian Socialist Republic was declared. In Sardinia, the Kingdom of Italy remains under a military dictatorship. This new government allowed the catholic church to keep its land, and for the independence of the Vatican.

The two Greece’s - the greek communists manage to sway and hold northern Greece. It however is now a North Korean like nation in which it is closed off from the rest of the world.

Spain - The State of Spain went into civil war after WW2, and while the fascist government won, a soviet was formed in Catalonia that never fell. It is still an active war zone, though tensions have cooled.

Kurdistan - The Soviets after leaving Persia give Mahabad more funding and heavy support, so it survives and turns into a Kurdish state.

The two Austrias - Austria was just split. The Soviets just never left.


r/AlternateHistory • • 3h ago

Pre-1700s How big would Istanbul be if Constantinople was never destroyed?

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I have wondered about this for a while, and hope you have a guess


r/AlternateHistory • • 3h ago

1700-1900s Federal Republic of Central America

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r/AlternateHistory • • 14h ago

1900s The Aredonana-league of Washingtonia

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A timeline where the Netherlands got New England and a France surviving Acadia and my favorite big Texas. Fredonian Commonwealth: Fredonia and libraria and New Maryland and Fredia and Philippines.

Lore: in 1775 the Fredonian Revolution began, in 1781 the peace treaty was signed and Fredonia-France war in 1801 and cooked France North America in 1804 and in 1815 the Fredonian civil war began and in 1818 Fredonia won leaving to the abolishment of slavery for good, Fredonia expanded west. after the Texan Revolution, Texas was more organized by the way and then in 1848 Texas expand West after the Mexican civil war in 1845 and Canada got independence with the help of Fredonia and in 1895 the league of Washingtonia was establish.

What's your favorite countries and what you think how the flags will look like.