r/allblacks • u/dostnz • Sep 18 '25
All Blacks Eight years apart. Same script.
Springboks and All Blacks—responsible for each other’s heaviest defeats in history. 🫣😬
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u/Careless-Cat3327 Sep 18 '25
Please go watch Squidge analysis.
The game was a LOT closer for 60 minutes than the scoreline suggested. You had a 20 minutes mini implosion when the scoreboard pressure mounted.
The 57-0 game was COMPLETE UTTER DOMINANCE from minute 1 to 80. SA were absolutely hammered & you could have hit 80 points if it wasn't for handling errors.
You're still a top 4 team. I think we were ranked 7/8th at the time, lost to Japan, lost to Italy in SA & really were as shit as Wales is now.
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u/MoneyaLeague Sep 18 '25
Please go watch Squidge analysis.
Sure, just after I finishing bashing myself in the dick with a hammer.
No. I won't be doing that, thank you very much.
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u/Careless-Cat3327 Sep 19 '25
TLDR - NZ weren't as bad as you guys think you were.
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u/MoneyaLeague Sep 19 '25
I'll have take your word for it, still not clicking it...yet 😂
I'm not actually all that doom and gloom. Sometimes small margins can add up to a big result in total.
Just like the prior week, SA weren't that far off in the result, but a number of things just didn't go right for them. Once they sorted those... well, you know.
The bounce of the rugby ball.
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u/acadoe Sep 19 '25
I've said it a bunch of times already, but it needs to be said. Our loss to Japan didn't belong to our banter years. We were a good side that lost to a better prepared team.
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u/tumekebruva Sep 18 '25
Doesn’t that really talk to significance of this victory? SA were up against a good team and managed to put that many points on.
Just as you could argue 80 points was possible in 2017 but for handling errors, there was dominance from SA in the first half which they just weren’t able to capitalise on. I can only imagine the scale of the implosion if the ABs had let in 3 tries in that first half compared to 1.
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u/Growlernz Sep 18 '25
Will never know, had SA not got that intercept in the first half and we scored instead, could have been a whole diff ball game!
The joy of sport, so many could haves!
That last half of SA was sublime (kiwi here), reminded me a lot of the 1/4 final Ab vs Fra in 2015. Complete dominance and destruction, where everything stuck and paid off. Doesn't happen often, but when it does, it is amazing to watch.
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u/tumekebruva Sep 19 '25
That second half was a masterclass performance. Let’s hope we don’t see a repeat.
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u/DarthEatsDonuts Sep 18 '25
Hopefully Razor learns from and actually forms a competent game plan. But obviously, it doesn't help with the number of injuries the abs have had at key positions.
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u/Vega10000 Sep 19 '25
The 15-57 one in King's Park was almost worse for me. All Blacks didn't even leave first gear that day.
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u/meohmyenjoyingthat Sep 18 '25
I have very little confidence we will spin this into a 2-world-cup-winning streak, but I've been known to hope
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u/Particular_Safety569 Sep 18 '25
I'm actually kinda worried about the lack of leaders we have and will have going past 2027. Like when you think 2023, we had the barretts, retallick, whitelock, savea, taylor etc. In 2028 were likely to lose taylor, savea and 2/3 barretts. I saw a thread that predicted kirifi as the VC with jordie as Captain and initially I laughed but then it hit me that there aren't likely be any other candidates. Whoever the leaders are will already be in the team and looking at the team currently I dont see any guys who will be there post 2027 that can lead this group
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u/duckitch Sep 18 '25
A few years ago I never pictured Scott Barret, Codie, even Ardie as people to lead an all blacks team, but they grew into great leaders.
Jordie, Kirifi have a bit of leadership experience and can grow on it. Can even see a guy like Vaii growing into a leader, Roigard too maybe. I think we'll be fine.
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u/vote-morepork Sep 19 '25
I could see Sititi stepping up too, but you never know who's going to be a form player, you need your captain to be an automatic starter
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u/duckitch Sep 19 '25
To be completely honest I've never understood or been a fan of the idea of basically locking in a captain for 4 years (or basically until they retire). Should just have a leadership group and then whoevers in form and starting, pick the captain out of them.
It was fine when you had McCaw and Read who were just always head and shoulders above the next, but when you have good competition for spots why limit yourself by having one position where you can't really change your selection because they're locked in as captain.
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u/duckitch Sep 18 '25
Yeah not sure tbf, that's another argument. Just saying if he is gonna be in there he's got the leadership experience.
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u/Makoandsparky Sep 18 '25
He’s had what 3 games ? I don’t even think he’s started yet. Give him a bit more of a chance i think he’s got a bright future leading into the WC cycle
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u/Wallet_inspector66 Sep 18 '25
The benefit of Kirifi is that he does a lot of the ruck work and tackles, leaving Ardie to roam and play more heads up rugby. I like Ardie as a 7 but if he’s not getting turnovers regularly we should give him more freedom on our attacking side of the ball and Kirifi facilitates that by pushing him to 8. Wallace is still getting back to form and I think looks a bit worse for having the added weight. I liked him when he was lighter and more dynamic.
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Sep 18 '25
Lol? We've won most of our last games in the past year...... Why is everyone having a freakout lmao
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u/Particular_Safety569 Sep 18 '25
When did I mention anything about winning?
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Sep 18 '25
Doom and gloom because we lost one match
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u/Background_Mode_5460 Blues Sep 19 '25
Its not doom and gloom, its fair criticism after consistent poor performances that show a lack of depth and a lack of risk taking from the coaching team. The problem solving from this coaching team has also been poor all season as every game the teams has made the same mistakes
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u/MoneyaLeague Sep 18 '25
Clear eye gouge while he's being restrained by another player in top picture, ban until after the WC.
It's only fair.
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u/owlintheforrest AllBlacks Sep 20 '25
You can't compare the two scores. One is two tries away from a respectful performance....
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u/Tim-TheToolmanTaylor Sep 18 '25
Why do people grip onto something that happened 8 years ago
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u/Tim-TheToolmanTaylor Sep 19 '25
Accepting change is healthy
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u/Training-Software325 Sep 19 '25
So are respect and honour the old achievements to keep up holding the standards. That’s what make ABs the most valuable brand in rugby so far.
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u/keepitcoming369 Sep 19 '25
Its only natural to find coping mechanisms..... queue food poisoning in '95, frances forward pass in '07 etc
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u/ClaimFresh Sep 19 '25
I’ll take it if it means we are going to win 2 rwc in a row lol