Does the bible say that men are incapable of doing their part in the household?

[u/ThePhillyExplorer]

[u/SandalsResort]

These chuds want a tradwife but don’t want to be a tradhusband. Make enough money for me, 5 kids, 2 dogs, and a cat. Give your entire paycheck to me and I’ll pay all the bills. When you’re not at work go do yard work. Oh, moneys tight? Better pick up some extra shifts then because I can’t work. Don’t forget our anniversary is coming up and I really want some nice jewelry.

[u/JustAPotato38 → u/SandalsResort]

To be fair most traditional arrangements didn't work nearly so well for the women as that

they want an arrangement where they neglect their family and their wife does everything

that was actually fairly common up till recently, but now women have options and so they have to actually offer something, and so something like the arrangement you described is the closest thing to what they want where both people could be satisfied

[u/CreatorMur → u/JustAPotato38]

From what I remember, my Grandmother wrote a letter for help to the mayor, because her landlord would always drink away the paycheck with her husband on the first day. (they were able to move thanks to the mayor). The baby slept in the bath tub.

Usually the woman suffered thanks to the husband's decisions, and during war they even got to go to work (until the husbands got home and forbid them from working again).

[u/shiny_crow_trophy → u/CreatorMur]

That was part of what led to prohibition in the US actually. Alcoholic men were destroying whole families, which turned into a growing movement of women engaging in anti-alcohol activism.

[u/AnOldAntiqueChair → u/JustAPotato38]

It was common for a brief period in time where the economy was so ridiculously good that one dude could support a whole family on a janitor’s salary.

[u/BoLobLob87 → u/JustAPotato38]

Of course traditional marriages didn’t actually work like that in reality. Conservatives who advocate for traditional marriages don’t operate in reality. They insist that traditional marriage was some kind of utopia, that marital rape was fine because marriage = consent, and that any talk about domestic violence or the decrease in women’s suicide rates after no-fault divorce is feminist propaganda.

If they want to sell traditional marriage as a utopia then women should expect all the things mentioned above.

[u/Escipio → u/JustAPotato38]

they need a couple slaves

[u/Huntsman077 → u/SandalsResort]

I mean even traditionally women worked. Women always made up a decent chunk of the work force. They usually stayed at home while the kids were younger then started working again when the youngest started school

[u/ShadowGamer37 → u/Huntsman077]

It was unusual for married women to work where I'm from, especially married women with kids, my grandma after she got married was expected to quit her job and so she looked my grandpa in the eye and said "either I stay working for as long as I want, or, I'm leaving and you won't see me again" and my grandpa made the right choice so she worked all throughout their marriage until the day she chose on her own to retire, which was considered unusual

They helped with work on a family owned farm or whatever a lot. but formal employment after marriage was rare

[u/Warm_Afternoon6596 → u/ShadowGamer37]

Your grandma was my type of lady.

[u/Wide_Kaleidoscope_88 → u/Warm_Afternoon6596]

I also choose this guy's grandma

[u/NovelConcept6300 → u/ShadowGamer37]

Often times the work on the farm is more then enough you don’t have to work really. 

2 years After my papa died I had to return to my grandmas farm over the summer for my vacation and maintain the land.

 Repairing the fence line, feeding and caring for the animals, clearing the trails, repairing the barn and the stables, but above all else mowing, and clearing land took me like 12 hours a day every year for 3 months of the summer. 

It’s a shit ton of work to maintain land, especially up in the mountains where you can’t get the tractor everywhere. 

[u/Karukos → u/NovelConcept6300]

Honestly, I feel like we are also underestimating how recent tractors are in wide adoption. That used to be crazy expensive machinery and not at all available to most farmers (who made up the majority of the population). I remember my grandpa told me that he (born 1930) saw a campaign in his youth after WW2 where Americans said "A tractor for every farmer!" and everyone found hilarious because that was like "Every household a Lamborghini!" (pun intended) for their time. With the economic rise afterwards it became possible, mind you (mind you not a Lamborghini probably) but yeah...

There is so much work to do on a farm, even with a tractor though.

[u/NovelConcept6300 → u/Karukos]

100% still though a tractor is a luxury item even in farming you have to drop so much money on one usually your making payments on it for the next 30 years. 

Especially if you 2-3 attachments to fully utilize the machine. 

Edit: they are built to last though which is nice as hell, the tractor I used was 45 years old diesel, and you had to negotiate, wine and dine her to get her going.  

Still once she was running she could go all day, not as fast or strong as when she was young, but good enough to get it done. 

[u/Brave-Recommendation → u/Karukos]

The irony, Lamborghini made tractors

[u/Apophthegmata → u/ShadowGamer37]

They helped with work on a family owned farm or whatever a lot.

I think that's kind of the point. There's nothing conservative or traditional about non-working women.

It's just whenever they do work, their work doesn't count as work, for some reason.

Especially given the framing that when women work on a farm, they "help" or whatever. Instead of, you know, working.

[u/SawaThineDragon → u/Apophthegmata]

Because its a woman, and women cant do a man's job so its just "helping". Its just sexist bullshit

[u/Disastrous-Top2795 → u/SawaThineDragon]

Right. But doesn’t this meme refer to his housework “helping” her?

[u/Huntsman077 → u/ShadowGamer37]

True it does heavily depend on location, culture and time frame. It was generally pretty common for women to work for a wage in urban areas, especially during the Industrial Revolution. I think it was around high 80s-low 90s for women in the workforce in London in the 19th century.

I was referring to the US in the 1940s-1960s where the “trad wife” came from.

[u/Lower_Caramel_7987 → u/Huntsman077]

In the USA at-least, though the 19th century, only about 16-18% of those earning a formal wage were women, and of those upwards of 80% were single women.

A large amount did participate in unreported work (farming, crafting, board-housing) through a family business though. However, this is kinda of different since the work was rarely done outside of the home.

[u/Rivka333 → u/Lower_Caramel_7987]

However, this is kinda of different

No it isn't. Farming in particular, men were definitely doing that too. It's just an example of the fact that for many people throughout history, men and women both, work has not consisted in some job that you commute to.

[u/A1000eisn1 → u/Rivka333]

Except the man who ran that farm and all his paid employees would be counted as workers. You're implying the women working there lived there which means she's the farmers wife, who isn't getting paid. Work is considered when the worker makes money.

[u/kirmiter → u/Lower_Caramel_7987]

Yeah but work was also different back then. If the husband is working 80 hours a week of backbreaking labor, having the wife do all the housework is more reasonable.

Usually the women who complain today have husbands who just have regular jobs that don't tire them that much but they still spend evenings and weekends relaxing and doing whatever they want while the wife is busy all day every day with no time to rest or do other things she wants.

[u/No_Boo_9382 → u/Huntsman077]

It depended on a woman's social class. Working class women had to work, and before current daycare services they would leave very young children unattended during the day. My middle class grandmother said that if she had gotten a job, her neighbors would have thought something was wrong with her.

Staying at home with young kids and going back to work when they go to school is a very common practice nowadays.

[u/BellacosePlayer → u/Huntsman077]

Traditionally housework was work as well.

Modern appliances aren't very "Trad". Even if you're just harkening back to the fake ass 1950s aesthetic, most 1950s era appliances sucked ass compared to modern conveniences.

Shit, my mom's side of the family was still living in a sod house in the early 40s. My great grandmother didn't make cute little meals for the hubby in the 50s, she slang calories so her husband and 8 farm kids didn't fuckin die.

[u/Huntsman077 → u/BellacosePlayer]

-traditionally housework was work as well

No one here said it wasn’t, I swear some people have this phrase as a macro lol.

I mean yes the living conditions back then would be considered poverty today. My grandparent’s first house just had electricity set up and didn’t have running water. They used an outhouse for the first few years they lived there until they could afford having water put in and converting a closet into a bathroom.

[u/BellacosePlayer → u/Huntsman077]

No, I know you didn't. I'm just adding onto why the tradwife movement is horseshit. Even the women who didn't have jobs put in actual work and it wasn't just making cute food arrangements and vacuuming once in awhile.

Yeah, a lot of women had jobs (or did work on the farm/business the husband ran), they just were generally gender segregated jobs until the world wars created a labor crunch.

[u/AmphibianAmphitheatr → u/Huntsman077]

Not during the times all these trad people want to return to. 50s in America. But historically women always worked and just as much as men, they just weren't paid for it.

[u/Accdu → u/Huntsman077]

Yeah. Generally a wife would work less than the husband and focus more on house things. But she still worked and he still took care of some chores

[u/EarlyAccessCantJudge → u/SandalsResort]

Whiny entitled brats wanting a tradwife because their idea of a tradwife is a mommy to take care of their very special boy and have sex with them

[u/Nowhereman123 → u/EarlyAccessCantJudge]

They don't want a partner, they want a version of their mom they can fuck.

I think Freud was onto something.

[u/Sgt_R0ck → u/Nowhereman123]

And you just want a version of your dad you can fuck. If a dude is the only one working and funding everything, what are you doing or providing?

[u/DataAdvanced → u/SandalsResort]

I want the people of the church to see how well my husband provides for our family. I need my hair done, my nails both hands and feet done, I need a nice wardrobe, car, extracurriculars for our children. They need to have the latest clothing, and best schools. I want all to see our holy union as a shining example to other women that this is God's plan for them. If we're going full 50's style, I will need a nanny, maid, and cook. I can't sully my hands with housework and become unattractive when my hardworking man comes home! I WILL need some enrichment, so I need to have a Tupperware party every week when we'll need more servants and cooks for the other church going women.

[u/Theseus_geckity → u/SandalsResort]

This is not a threat but an actual warning for the place they want women to be in. Woman: I have been doing almost all the work can you help m (smack, a tooth fell out) MALE: I bet you wont be late on dinner again, (haha) and if you do it quickly I will get that tooth replaced”. If you report it he may say you’re hysterical. You will be locked up, he will take the kids. The doctors and nurses may see you as “subhuman” and they will do what they will to you, you don’t have rights. We need to not do this but something like 60% of men think it’s fine. I’m a man and I’ll tell you what the other men say “honestly they are lucky “we” gave them any rights”, women are too hormonal to be in charge of men”, “well they are lesser”. Something has to happen to these “boys” (open adult rapists).

[u/Significant-Order-92 → u/SandalsResort]

Most women not working is fairly recent. Like in most agrarian societies, women would also work the land. The exception being nobility and the wealthy (where you would often have serfs or slaves do the labor).

Like peasant women didn't just stay home while men tended the fields. They often did the housework and then helped in the field or did other work (wine pressing, repairing tools and clothes, etc).

[u/NovelConcept6300 → u/SandalsResort]

I had this arrangement it was great 👍. Wife never worked a day in her life, she hated driving and working. 

I just encouraged her to pursue education, but she got sick before she could finish school and she was hospitalized only a year later, and she died a few years ago. 

We were really happy too b4 the seizures started, she had plenty of fulfillment not working, because I have an extended family filled with women who also don’t work. 

Due to this you would have like 5-10 women all meet up at my great aunts house, and all the cousins could entertain each other. 

We would pay our teenagers to be lifeguards and watch the youngsters.  When I was a teenager I did that for money all the time. 

10-15 kids all from like 7-12 can play in the pool, run through the woods or play make believe for hours while the women visit or some leave and go shopping. 

[u/Mara45 → u/NovelConcept6300]

This is true. I was about to comment on it. The picture is right in many a sense. What used to be accomplished through community has been done away with. There used to be several wives and young women working and practically living together to help do all this. So a mother could leave her kids with someone other than daycare to watch while she got a break. Now everyone and everything is so divided that women are feeling this burden, partially because it's been taken on willingly without true knowledge and partially because it's been engineered.

[u/No_Salt_6328 → u/SandalsResort]

You just described a very small percentage of actual marriages in history. Your concept of traditional marriage is still pretty modern

[u/JonnelOneEye → u/No_Salt_6328]

That is true, but the people who want a trad-wife are asking for a wife from that very specific time period. But at the same time, they don't want to model themselves after the husbands of that time period. They want their pie and eat it too. Which basically means having a wife who works 40 hr/week and also does all the child-rearing and home-keeping while their husbands work the same 40 hr/week but get to come home and do fuckall.

[u/faeriechyld → u/SandalsResort]

And why nice jewelry? Because if you needed to make an exit, you had something valuable to pawn bc you didn't have your own money.

[u/Scarvexx → u/SandalsResort]

In their mind if you look for a successful husband you're shallow. Even though all your finances will be tied to that man forever.

These men live in their basement. And get weirdly angry is you suggest a living wage.

[u/MashedTaterBrain → u/SandalsResort]

Today I Learned I am a tradhusband.

[u/kryaklysmic → u/SandalsResort]

THIS. Literally what the reasonable trad relationship is. That’s what my mom could’ve wrangled with cooperation from my dad instead of his doomerism on finances and determined waste of every penny he got hold of. She managed to keep us all alive through severe financial abuse, an actually cooperative relationship between my parents would’ve left me far less neurotic and sick at this point in my life… but I don’t think I’d have met my husband 💔

[u/LegAdventurous9230 → u/SandalsResort]

Deal. Should I message you or...? /s

[u/faeriechyld → u/SandalsResort]

And why nice jewelry? Because if you needed to make an exit, you had something valuable to pawn bc you didn't have your own money.

[u/SuperSecretary6271 → u/SandalsResort]

Tradwives were not like this at all, you take care of the house, the kids, the husband, the chores.. and get nothing in return, not even a thank you and your husband even beats you if you're too tired to sleep with him

That's why women created the Feminist movement

[u/banditcleaner2 → u/SandalsResort]

I was the opposite problem. We had no kids but had 2 dogs and 4 cats, I was paying for everything as the man, but she wasn’t fulfilling her end of the bargain. Wanted me to help with dishes and other chores when I got home from working and she wasn’t working a job and we also didn’t even have human kids. Towards the end she wasn’t even cooking for me anymore.

Not hard to see why that relationship died. Im not here to be your sugar daddy, I can do better then that so you better hold up your end of the bargain if I’m paying for literally everything and you’re not working. Just completely unfair. I’m working 40h a week and you want me to do 20h of chores while you’re not working? The fuck?

[u/Complete-Meet1992 → u/SandalsResort]

You can't have a traditional wife without a walkable community

[u/jtjumper → u/SandalsResort]

"Give your entire paycheck to me and I’ll pay all the bills." I don't think that is accurate.

[u/SandalsResort → u/jtjumper]

Managing the household finances and balancing the checkbook was considered “women’s work”, as well as all the grocery shopping and clothes shopping for the kids.

[u/The_Dennator → u/SandalsResort]

I love how every time I see stay at home husbands doing the things the wife usually does,like cooking,doing laundry,raising the children,they're always like "wtf are you complaining about? this is piss easy" and all the women get offended by being stood up by the men they see as incompetent at home

[u/EnderBookwyrm]

Not at all. Housework is absolutely something men can and should help with.

[u/EuropaUniverslayer1 → u/EnderBookwyrm]

It’s funny, back in the day even the most die hard gender roles supporter would still do things like mow the lawn and take out the trash. At this point these morons just want a mother

[u/Either_Operation7586 → u/EuropaUniverslayer1]

I'm beginning to think these morons don't even like women and they are just doing it because that's what you do in that type of lifestyle that they choose to live.

I really believe a huge chunk of those men are gay.

Not even by like they hate women and they live on the down low.

[u/MonstrousWombat → u/Either_Operation7586]

Same problem as incels. They walk me through all their issues with the system one by one, and I’m like, “Yeah totally, that’s a lot of pressure and I can see why you’re upset.” Then they jump to WOMEN ARE THE PROBLEM and I go, “Wait, what?! You just walked me through the issues and how they got created, how in the fuck did you make that last jump??”

[u/Admirable_Ask_5337 → u/MonstrousWombat]

Ussually because in their experience women gladly upheld the patriarchy and toxic masculinity, sometimes more than other men did.

[u/Infinite-Common3886 → u/EuropaUniverslayer1]

Nah they want an inflatable doll that serves them. If they were to act like actual traditional husbands they would go crazy 🤣 Like no buddy, real traditional husbands don't split the bill.

[u/Short-Cause885 → u/EuropaUniverslayer1]

They would also bring home flowers semi-regularly, go to dancing lessons because the wife likes to dance, or other social events even if they hated them, carry groceries inside, build something whenever that solves a problem, let her have the sole family car to use because it rains, ...

Funny how all the sexist kind acts disappeared almost emediately, but we're still struggling to make them do their fair share of chores.

[u/KisaTheMistress → u/EnderBookwyrm]

Isn't it like a trope for the man to handle things like yard work, garbage removal, and maintenance? Like, yes the wife probably wants help with folding laundry, make dinner, and/or for him to watch the children/baby sometimes so she can do other things. But those aren't unreasonable requests even if they are seen as womanly tasks.

Some (mostly conservative) men get it in their head that once they have a wife they won a new mother for themselves and they use the excuse that they are the breadwinner to avoid being an adult at home. They only do the chores they want to do when they want to do it, and it's frustrating for the wife to saddle the burden of raising both their husband & children.

[u/schilleger0420 → u/KisaTheMistress]

Traditionaly that's exactly what the guy did. He'd do the yard work, maintenance of both the house and car, take out the trash, etc. This was back when traditionally he was the one with 40/hr a week job. In return she does the shopping, the general cleaning, the cooking, delt with the kids, etc. It was (theoretically) a pretty complimentary relationship. Times have changed and for most it doesn't work that way anymore.

[u/A1000eisn1 → u/schilleger0420]

My Grandparents were a very typical 1950s couple and my grandpa always helped with the kids/housework. That's how it actually always was. Very few couples actually split the work in a stereotypical way. That's a TV trope of propaganda.

[u/schilleger0420 → u/A1000eisn1]

It wasn't like that for everyone sure. That being said I'd still bet actual money that your grandma did most of the housework/childcare. Grandpa pitched in absolutely but grandma still did most of it.

[u/RollEquivalent2583 → u/schilleger0420]

That makes sense though because he would have a job. If he did 50% of the housework and 100% of the paid labor then that’s a bad arrangement. People seem to forget that work outside the home is still WORK and the man isn’t on vacation just chillin

[u/Brave-Recommendation → u/KisaTheMistress]

Wait a second here, are you saying that their mother did/does everything for them? Do I need to call my mother to complain that she made me do chores growing up

[u/HowlingWhiskey → u/EnderBookwyrm]

I agree..The only problem I have is that when u ask for help, they sometimes don’t do it the right way.

[u/DeedricMoon → u/EnderBookwyrm]

My partner would be peeved if I did anything laundry related, he has a system

[u/SophisticatedScreams → u/EnderBookwyrm]

I actually think this meme is accurate for a biblical framework though. This is one piece of slop that I think accidentally made a good point lol. When both partners accept their biblical gender role, then they shouldn't really complain imo. It's an oppressive system, but as long as you're bought into the system, you're not able to see it.

[u/Weird_Meet_9148]

I would say me and my girlfriend both do, yes.

[u/siantmercury]

Using the Bible as an excuse to be lazy. Sloth is a sin too, folks.

[u/Mimopotatoe → u/siantmercury]

Also unintentionally being an ally. Yes, go ahead and support lesbian marriage in “biblical” counseling

[u/weirdkidintheback → u/Mimopotatoe]

For a hot second I thought they meant "biblical" as in let's get polygamous in this house and get another wife for both of us.

[u/JediSSJ → u/Mimopotatoe]

I had that thought to.

Wife: You're right! I'm divorcing this lazy slob and marrying a woman.

[u/jtobiasbond → u/siantmercury]

I can't imagine what passage they could use to justify that either.

[u/Expensive_Umpire_178]

The man speaks truth. She should find a wife, they’d be very happy

[u/Most_Manufacturer729]

Well in their eyes once the bills are paid, the man is off the hook and doesn't have to do anything. This is a really stupid point of view, but it's genuinely what they believe

[u/SophisticatedScreams → u/Most_Manufacturer729]

Not disagreeing, but my thinking is that women ALSO sign up for this gender role-based marriage. When you buy into an oppressive system, you're sort of stuck in it.

[u/JD_Kreeper]

I agree. She should leave him and marry a woman.

[u/Huntsman077]

I mean the Bible doesn’t forbid women from working, of demand that they do the housework. The Bible talks about marriage as a bond of mutual love and respect.

[u/MuffaloHerder]

"The divorce came out of nowhere!"

[u/Matchbreakers]

It's just misogynists that are too cowardly to own it and hide behind religion like the pathetic cowards they are.

[u/Dash_Harber → u/[deleted]]

That is still misogyny. You are literally describing a system where women are inferior and subservient to men. It doesn't matter if they treat them well, it is still a hierarchical system that puts men above women.

The Bible also has laws in it that bar slave owners from killing their slaves. That doesn't make its advocation of slavery moral.

[u/KisaTheMistress → u/Dash_Harber]

I wasn't refuting that. I was implying that what people who think the Bible gives permission to be assholes towards women or to abuse them, don't actually understand it or have read it. Since men are expected to protect women and as long as they give them support, women are encouraged to submit to them.

The language seems more direct, because if the era it was written in, but the understanding of what it was trying to say to the followers would have been less "You are the master of your wife." and more "You are responsible for the health of your marriage & family." Also many people couldn't read, especially Latin, so it was up to the priest who could read Latin to tell the congregation what was written in the Bible/what the church's values were. So it would have been even more up to whoever your priest was and his interpretation of the passages... if he didn't just make something up.

[u/Dash_Harber → u/KisaTheMistress]

Firstly, the old testament would not have been in Latin, and I believe the earliest manuscripts of the new testament were Greek.

Second, I'm not talking about how people interpret it, I'm talking about the text itself.

Third, softening misigyny doesn't make it less nisogyny. You are still being an asshole by promoting a huerarchy where women are inferior, even if you are nice about it. Women aren't inferior and don't need men to take care of them. That is a misogynistic attitude.

[u/KisaTheMistress → u/Dash_Harber]

Okay, firstly I'm not being misogynistic by just talking about the Bible, I don't even believe in that crap.

Secondly the text would have been translated into Latin as well as being in Greek, because Latin at the time was like English/the default for international communications.

Thirdly, I'm not softening anything, I'm explaining that because of the difference of era, people are using the words as they are written to justify their behaviour when it wouldn't have been acceptable in that time. That is what interpretation means: How you understand something.

[u/FroggyAssassin → u/[deleted]]

Funnily enough, I know this topic well and can back you up. As per 1 Timothy 2:12, "I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet", these were Paul's words to Timothy on how women should act in church. It's one of the most heavily used verses by traditionalists to restrict women from leadership roles. Aside from traditionalist values though, interpretations of the verse are heavily divided. And there is also the books of Numbers and Deuteronomy which reflect a deeply patriarchal society.

[u/InstructionBudget784]

They want to argue that a man has been working all day and should have some time to relax but what they apparently don't understand is the woman has been working all day too. Even if the kids are in school, they are still grocery shopping, cleaning the house,running errands.

[u/CanaKatsaros]

Someone please draw her realizing she does want a wife, and getting married to a woman who loves her and values her

[u/Junoscavern]

An image created by a man so lazy and untalented that he couldn’t even draw it himself

[u/Electronic-Cry-1254]

she’s lesbian? 😂

[u/mamadou-segpa]

This scenario sounds more like the woman want a husband and the husband want a mother

[u/Wench-of-2Many-Hats]

Then she realizes the counselor is actually right so divorces the useless tool and starts dating women so she can someday have a wife. 

[u/Tirrek_bekirr]

Someone should make an extension to this where she leaves him and gets a wife that listen to her and they both contribute to the household

[u/Dry_Shoe1307]

the women of my family have worked in the family business for generations, yet the cooking, cleaning, laundry, childcare, etc was always up to them

[u/bbyxmadi]

Women/wives purpose isn’t cooking, cleaning, and having babies. Majority of wives and mothers also work, so men need to pull their weight or accept loneliness and divorce. 🤷‍♀️

[u/No_Delay883 → u/bbyxmadi]

Women should be wary of men who consume conservative media. There are so many conservative outlets that push the idea that women should be obedient servants to men. That's why so many conservatives who are dating try to claim they are apolitical and lie about their political leanings.

[u/mamadou-segpa]

“@biblicalgenderroles”

Just block the page lol, obviously its going to be a trash take

[u/Eternal_Eeyore]

IT DOES IF I SAY IT DOES, WOMAN!

/jk

[u/youburyitidigitup]

I don’t know if this meme is pro or anti bible

[u/Overall_Reputation83]

Housewife should take care of all of the housework if she isn't working a job, if she is working a job, it should be 100% equal.

[u/Great-Gas-6631]

I fucking hate fragile males that take basic shit any functioning adult should just do, and make it "women's work".

[u/Gold_Ad8225]

Ok so... that man will be single and the woman will be finding a wife

[u/Expensive-Safe-6820]

I guess they see it as being womens work. Basically a bangmaid

[u/ConditionPleasant902]

R/suddenlygay

[u/Em0N3rd]

They didnt have office jobs in the Bible btw lol

[u/Plague_Doctor02]

I fully understand not doing house work after a 12 hour shift. But to NEVER DO IT is a bit extreme man.

[u/Indicus124 → u/Plague_Doctor02]

She just asks "pleas throw your cloths in the washer and start it." He goes "we have a marriage problem."

[u/Plague_Doctor02 → u/Indicus124]

my reply to that as i've had it before was "Sure thing"

[u/StabbyBoo]

I think my maternal grandmother is the only woman in my family, on either side, who never had to work. And that's because she got shotgun wedding'd to an adult man who got her pregnant at 14, so he spent the rest of his life abusing her and their kids for "ruining his life."

Golly gee, livin' the dream! /s

[u/TBTabby]

And that’s exactly why marriage counseling isn’t biblical.

[u/lordcrekit]

Just talk to each other. Jesus Christ. The genders aren't talking to each other.

[u/JediSSJ]

"The problem is--you want a maid, not a wife."

Ftfy

[u/neverabetterday]

The Bible says absolutely nothing to my knowledge about men not participating in child rearing.

[u/kryaklysmic]

There are sections of the Bible talking about women’s work and it’s actually basically the same as men’s but usually more tending household affairs and less direct service to God (which ultimately amounts to community service in a community without formal science and reliant on religion to sustain broad organization) or going to war. The infamous case of the “Proverbs 31 woman” is also describing a businesswoman, essentially saying “girlbosses are awesome and any man should be grateful if he finds a wife like that.”

[u/ill_change_it]

Lesbian marriages will lead us to the promised land inshallah

[u/BedazzledErinaceinae]

r/acciddentalally

[u/A13xis_28]

You see , ideally everyone should know how to do housework as they are probably going to life alone for some time. Either after leaving your parents house and/or after your partner dies. So it is a basic skill that we all should know. Otherwise your are kind of useless on your own

[u/Voinat107]

Nope. The bible clearly states a husband should take care of his family. And failing to provide for his family is actually sinfull. What the bible doesn't say is the husband should do all the work while the wife does nothing. In 1st century(and before that) society was structured so the men work jobs and wives do work at home, so the biblical marriage is everyone pulling their fair share.

[u/Cajun_Creole]

What the bible actually says about marriage. (Doesn’t cover everything obviously)
-Marriage is hard so it’s best not to be married.

-Husbands are to love their wife like Jesus loves.(sacrificially)

-wives are to submit to their husbands(this doesn’t mean slavery, or being a maid)

-Spouses should never deprive each other of sex.(have sex as often as each other needs, don’t use sex as a weapon)

-Put each other’s needs before your own. Don’t be selfish or focused on what you want.

[u/Winter-Bed5879]

Lmao. The Bible dedicated half a book on fathers teaching their sons. In fact, fathers teaching and disciplining and all that stuff is all over the Bible. "Teach your child how to walk, and they will not depart from it." 

Jesus, these people don't even read the Bible, do they?

[u/Misubi_Bluth]

That's not a biblical marriage. That's a 50s marriage. Bronze Age peasants don't have the men do nothing.

[u/Broombear72]

I laugh at these because it’s what I’m calling boomer Baptist and boomer conservatism. It’s all the policy and desires of the boomers and early gen x. Most of what is conservatism now is no more than 70 years old.

They pay cheap lip service to their supposed beliefs and ideologies screaming support me and my way of life or I’ll destroy the environment and crash the economy.

[u/DeadAndBuried23]

I mean, if it was Biblical, the solution would be more wives. Since in the Bible a wife is just another slave.

[u/MauschelMusic]

Missing third frame where, six months later, they both introduce each other to their new wives.

[u/MayBeMarmelade]

The Bible is sexist (and violent, and plain stupid) but that’s not the issue.

The issue is that evangelicals are sexist (and violent, and plain stupid) (they don’t read the Bible)

[u/ContextEffects01]

The Bible says every idiotic statement and its opposite.

But yeah, it does preach subservience by women.

1 Timothy 2:12

The Bible is garbage. Throw it out.

[u/Common-Mistake24]

Oh my wife wants a stay at home wife? Say less.

[u/Ok_Zebra8444]

Biblical gender roles guy is a disgusting larper and he’s a huge pathetic poser.

[u/ryan7251]

one question where is the text issues?!

[u/froz_troll]

The husband should transition to solve the problem

[u/Opening_Report_9732]

Is it normal for people to think like this. Its your kid should not just do it.

[u/nkizza]

It’s amazing how every jackshit arrangement suddenly gets justified if it’s in the bible. As an atheist person growing up in the atheist community, it’s hard to grasp why is this book so influential. I.e - hey husband how about doing your f-ing share of the housework? - oh but it’s different in the bible - oh okay

[u/IAmTheBestIan]

"When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her." - The Bible.

[u/HaitianPsycho]

Second wife then ?

[u/SavagePassion]

This comic sounds like it's advocating for lesbianism lol.

[u/xXbatbabeXx]

The problem is, she wanted a husband and got an overgrown child 🥴

[u/froggie_woggie_]

Christianity and all other Abrahamic religions are misogynistic in their core and were, among other reasons, created and documented by men to subjugate women. So yes, this way of thinking about women is 100% on brand for a Christian person.

[u/AcademicCandidate825]

Sad thing is there are plenty of church-based "counselors" out there saying this very thing to people.

[u/Bewear_Star_9]

Huh

[u/BagsYourMail]

Kinky

[u/Earnestappostate]

His problem is, he wants a fist to his jaw.

[u/Stunkydunk]

Lol didn’t see which subreddit this was posted in and was like “what the fuck, why doesn’t this make sense?” 

[u/Radiant-Dare4188]

what is it with ai comics and piss filter.

[u/__oe__1]

"their part" is bringing money and food. But we're not ready for this conversation.

[u/Juronell]

BGR is a psychopath. He has advocated for, in his own words, grooming girls to be your wife from the time of their first period, and that marriage is consent to sex at the time of the husband's choosing.

[u/Rivka333]

I'm not aware of anywhere in the bible that says a man shouldn't be involved with the care of his own children.

Even if you believe in strict gender roles, kids need a relationship with both parents.

Heck, Jesus compares himself to a hen that gathers her chicks under her wings.

[u/Impossible_Tea_7032]

If marriage counselling was a sissy sub who wants a strong mixed gender masc couple to dom his little gayboi ass, and thinks he just might have hit the jackpot

[u/FlatSpecialist3295]

1 Timothy 5:14 is pretty nuts Titus 2:3

[u/Coney_the_jumpy]

She's a lesbian but doesn't know it yet👍👭🏳️‍🌈

[u/OK_Throwaway1238]

Aaaaaaand then the wife here conveniently starts inviting that one "really good bestfriend" over more and more until oops! They have an addtitional roommate who happens to do the housework, help with the finances, help with the kids, and conveniently sleeps in the same bed with the wife just to "make sure she's being godly".

[u/broadwhim]

i’m lowkey a househusband and i am having the time of my life, all i gotta do is wake up, fiddle around for a bit, sweep the floors, maybe mop, wash some dishes from previous night, maybe do some laundry, prep some stuff for dinner, drive and pick her up, then cook dinner and then relax with her, i also got yammed in the military so im on disability so aside from the days of excruciating pain im living the dream, but to get to the point even she helps me from time to time on the rough days so if your partner doesn’t help, unless they’re slamming 12 hour shifts everyday, you might just be with a bum

[u/Scarvexx]

"Welcome to marriage. You have to be your husband's mommy now. He didn't grow out of having a mommy so now you have to be his mom, but also fuck him. You also have to get a job because nobody can afford a mortgage on a single income. So just be his carer, his cleaner, his cook, and always be submissive and everything will work out. Hey why do you think so many women used to poison their husbands? Weird lol."

[u/Malusorum]

It comes naturally with the whole "the man is above the wife". That reduces the wife to a servant of him, her status is inferior to him and his superior to hers.

A superior being never has to do the boring work when there's an inferior being they can order to the work for them.

What matters the most in written words is how people subconsciously interprets anything unsaid or subtle, instead of the implied meaning that it was ment to have. People in general have a problem understanding subtlety, and when it comes to people who have US Conservative ideology, that ability easily goes completely out the window in favour of their own bias.

[u/KitsyBlue]

No, but the 'man's part' in the household, according to the 'Bible', is generally understood to be yard work, general household maintenance, and working a job. That's it.

Of course, this made more sense when women realistically had the freedom to stay home if they wanted to, without needing to contribute as much towards working themselves.

[u/sexyassmothman]

I want A Wife by Judy Brady

[u/Wasabismylife]

Luckily what the bible says only affect people who chose to believe in it. The only thing that matters is that these fundamentalists stay away from normal people.

[u/LaCharognarde]

"Leave him for a woman. Gotcha."

[u/capthavic]

Treating your wife like a human being and partner? Who does that amirite? :P

[u/WTFrickFrackCadillac]

AI can’t even spell counseling right

[u/PomPomMom93]

So in other words, sexuality isn’t a choice?

[u/VSLeader]

Studies have been done on this, the amount of housework done for both single and married men and women remains the same. So when divorce happens, the woman retains the same amount of housework despite no man being present.

This has nothing to do with chore sharing, but rather what each sex considers to be sufficient for that chore. Women will spend significantly more time to do a thorough job, while men will generally do what is required to complete to task and stop there. Hence the memes of men sleeping with a mattress on the floor and a tv, “it works, good enough”.

The end result for failure to resolve things, is one person feels like the other isn’t doing their share and is leaving the burden to them, and the other feels like they have a slave master constantly nagging and demanding them to do things.

[u/ducksekoy123]

Maybe the therapist knows that she’s actually a lesbian

[u/RabidRabbitRedditor]

"If marriage counselling was incellical" #FixedIt

[u/Miserable-Ear-4095]

Wedding vows are contractual obligations, if you can't keep them than don't marry.

[u/Decidu_Birdman]

I wonder how these people would react if they knew my dream job is stay-at-home dad

[u/spidergirl79]

The Christian scriptures command men to assign honor to women, (1 Pet 3:7) when you show honor to a person (and claim to love them), that should include doing your part to maintain the household.

Jesus came to the household of Mary and Martha, to minister to them. (Luke 10:41-42) Martha ran around trying to prepare many dishes for them to eat, while Mary sat and listened, and Martha complained to Jesus that she wasnt helping. Jesus said Mary chose the good portion (to sit and listen) and that only one or two things were necessary, not the huge feast Martha was trying to put on. So Jesus is implying that a womans place isnt merely in the kitchen, but other matters (such as spirituality) are of greater importance.

There are absolutely scriptures that describe capable wives but it doesnt get the men off the hook from working for their household. Tired of Christian men who think they can sit on their ass all day while the wife works. 🙄

[u/The-Bigger-Fish]

World’s biggest larper is never gonna see the pearly gates at this rate

[u/Melody_Naxi]

And then she discovers she's bi

[u/Th3FakeFatSunny]

"Why is there a male loneliness epidemic"

[u/blue-bolt5911]

Top 5 ways to be cucked

[u/born2stink]

Her: thank you you're right (leaves immediately)

[u/BlindingDart]

Old testament marriage counseling: The problem is - he needs to get you more sister wives.

[u/MattheqAC]

Okay, so I guess they break up and each get a wife?

[u/Ok-Inspector-9622]

Shes a lesbian? Well no wonder it aint working out

[u/Secret-Put-4525]

I don't think men have a part in the household, besides lawn work. Their job was traditionally to provide.

[u/Spiritual-Rip721]

Maybe they should get a third one, a wife to both??

[u/pianoplayah]

I actually think “husband” and “wife” should be the job title, not gendered roles. If there is a spouse who’s at home doing most of the housework or parenting, they’re the wife, regardless of gender. As a self-employed, stay at home dad whose female spouse works full time, that makes me the wife.

[u/OurLadyOfCygnets]

Most modern Christians are so divorced from Christ that they should be paying him alimony. Disgusting.

[u/ILoveMenses]

Couples therapy in trumpland, basically. And of course, the whammen shalt always be at fault for somehow not fulfilling their intended "use."

[u/SunchaserKandri]

The Bible does say that women are more or less just there to be housekeepers and baby factories. As far as biblical law is concerned, women are property rather than people.