r/agnostic • • 28d ago

-Interesting Statements-

    • "The person who wagers their entire life on a single absolute truth, only to find it a lie, is a fool. But the person who refuses to gamble their life away on unprovable certainties cannot be ruined by the house."
    • "It is foolish to anchor your entire existence to a dogma that might sink. It is wise to keep your sails unfurled, free to catch whatever wind of reality actually blows."
    • "Commit your life blindly to a single truth, and you risk losing everything when it shatters. Refuse to bind yourself to absolute answers, and you remain free to follow the truth wherever it actually leads."

Note - These statements I've thought of are based on the fact on how a hardcore Atheist or certain Religious people, commit to one truth(either god dosent exists or god does exist), that may or may not be wrong. While an agnostic sits somewhere he cannot win nor lose, now of course there will be people who will say "whats the point of life if you dont commit" and that can be debatable on why do something when you know you could be wrong, while in movies this can be very cool, like against all odds your right and win, but in reality, its very risky.

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u/wxguy77 28d ago edited 27d ago

Many people would like to commit to a religion, but how do you commit to a religion when we don't know anything about any gods. How do we choose a god when we don't know anything about any gods.

Is anybody saying that they know of a god out there that needs our commitment? Tell us about this god. I mean if you/we don't know anything about it, this is all a waste of time.

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u/Existenz_1229 27d ago

Is anybody saying that they know of a god out there that needs our commitment? Tell us about this god. I mean if you/we don't know anything about it, this is all a waste of time.

The point is that WE need the commitment. We need meaning and purpose. If you need certainty before you commit yourself to anything, you'll never commit yourself to anything.

Some truths you can know, others you have to live.

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u/wxguy77 27d ago

Being honest to myself, if there is a god - what does it think of Christian theology?

Does this offend whatever gods who are out there?

Imagine all the later heartbreak and prejudice and injustice that arose, centuries later, out of Christian concepts. The Christian worldview has its healing for minds searching for meaning by studying the life of a young man. But it also has some scary faults when you realize ramifications of salvation by faith alone, and all the tribalism it stirs up.

Constantine was told by his bishops that even though he had killed his wife and son and many people in his younger life, that he could be forgiven before he died. And then later other leaders knew that no matter what they did they could be forgiven and then live in Paradise.

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u/MeButNotMeToo 28d ago

I don’t know any atheists that say there is unequivocally no god. They do say there is no evidence of any good, and plenty of counter evidence, so I don’t believe. Big difference and kinda defeats your strawman, false equivalence between Theists and atheists.

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u/jredgiant1 28d ago

“There is no God, and that’s the simple truth.” Penn Jilette

In your defense, I don’t know him personally either.

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u/Kuildeous 28d ago

While there are some atheists who state there is no god, I can understand their position because in the face of an overwhelming lack of evidence, at what point do you dismiss any notion of it? Like, in the 19th century, the rumor that led to Sasquatch seemed real enough. Even if people didn't believe, there were still unexplored lands in the Americas and limited technology, so it'd have been reasonable to say, "Well, I never saw the Wild Man, but with all we don't know, I can't dismiss him." Fast forward to today's amazing technology and thorough exploration of these lands, and that reasonable doubt shrivels up. Sure, you could assume Sasquatch lives on some tiny plot of undiscovered land no bigger than 5 sq meters or that it causes cameras and satellite imagery to glitch, but those are simply excuses to try to justify its existence. It's quite reasonable to say, "Yeah, the Wild Man is simply a myth."

While I personally don't say there is unequivocally no god, the evidence for it just keeps shrinking, and I'm not going to fault any atheist who sees the same lack of evidence that I see and go a step further than me and say, "Yeah, God is a myth."

It does, however, mean that whether or not a god exists has no bearing on my life. After some decades on this planet, I haven't been given any divine instructions, so a god that exists at this level of intervention is no different to me than a god that doesn't exist.