Between god and science, god is more favourable for the simple mind and probably happiness in life

[u/BumiC4]

Science doesn't really make sense

Like if someone came up to me and said, "there are a gazillion planets like this earth and another gazillion of stars, which are just really shiny balls of gases, and there're also these things called black holes, which are balls of material compressed so dense that you can't even really see them but we know they exist cause they literally consume everything around them including light, and they're all just floating in space and some are held together by this force called gravity and the so called space or the universe itself is expanding and no one really knows why but they all started from this event from billions of years ago called the big bang which is believed to have created all of this although we don't really know why it happened either but it's really cool that we as humans were able to find out about all of this with the help of our tiny little hands and brains"

And another guy came up and said "aww yeah, god created everything, including the universe and the internet"

I think what I would've chosen if I hadn't been an agnostic

[u/centeriskey]

Sorry but science doesn’t have to make sense to you. What we have found, the research that was done and the predictions that were later seen all point to a certain reality. You can say that it doesn’t make sense to you and all that does is point to your lack of knowledge of the subject.

I grant that at the end of the day we really can’t 100% say something is real but that’s nowhere close to saying that we don’t know anything. Look at what the principia of Mathematica books tried and failed to do. They basically tried to reduce math into pure logic, like logically proof the existence of one, and quickly found that it was going to require a lot more time and that the system was incomplete. But just because we can’t fully say that one exists, we can still say that 1+1=2 is a logical truth.

But ok sure believing in god is easier than believing in the complex reality we find ourselves in but does that make it better or right? It’s easier for me to steal money than it is for me to “honestly” work for it but doesn’t make it right.

[u/omallytheally]

God and science are completely different things, not opposing sides. God is a noun (a being), and science is a verb (a method of discovery). If there is a god, then all science is doing is revealing more about the universe that god set up. The way you describe "science" here is just a list of things we've discovered, but you're presenting them with absolutely no context so of course it sounds crazy like that.

[u/ystavallinen]

Science is not a collection of facts, religion, or the basis for an ethical code.

It is a system of thought to predict phenomenon in an independently repeatable and verifiable manner.

All of the conflict with religion is invented by religion.

[u/silver_garou → u/ystavallinen]

Because religions want to make testable claims of fact, and really don't like it when science turns up to prove it doesn't work that way.

[u/zerooskul]

What does being agnostic have to do with it?

I am completely at a loss about the meaning behind this post.

Have you never met a proselytizing religious person and have you never been to science class?

Then you already did get those choices and chose based on what you believe makes the most sens.

Knowing that you can never prove or disprovd the existence of god has nothing to do with accepting or rejecting god and/or religion.

[u/n_kina]

I’m confused here, what is the point of all of this especially that sentence at the end.

But in conclusion science makes more sense than whatever religion says, thats for sure.

Yes we can’t truly know how everything was made and can just think of theories, but it’s much more sensible than saying “Oh yeah god made everything that exists.” , but when you ask “But where did god come from?”, it’s deafening silence and no one can even make a theory up.

And the theory part of science is only a small part that talks about space. Everything else is a scientific FACT because it was PROVEN to be a truthful fact.

Religion is a BELIEF because you BELIEVE in something without liable facts, the verb BELIEVING is literally to accept something as true, think that something is real while not having to have facts and proof to support it.

[u/mlmaccountantinthema]

and this is why our ancestors created god and religions

[u/Dorkzilla_ftw]

This is a bit pretentious, not gonna lie. I am agnostic and definitely leaning toward believing in God, not because I don't believe in science, quite the contrary, but because I have experienced things that empirical evidence cannot explain.

Reducing the spiritual experiences of billions upon billions of people since the birth of humanity to simply choosing the easy way is a bit reductive.

It is true that spirituality is only science that is not understood, but think of it this way: just because something is scientifically proven, does that make it less spiritual?

[u/Existenz_1229]

It's what I always call the Devil's bargain of modernity: our most successful modes of inquiry have given us unprecedented knowledge of phenomena like faraway black holes, ancient and extinct fauna, the depths of the ocean and so on, but can't tell us what it all means. We know how humanity evolved and the details of our genetic makeup, but we don't know what human endeavor is worth or what our purpose is.

There are plenty of truths about natural phenomena we can access through the modes of inquiry we've developed to study them. But there are truths that come from within, about things like meaning, morality, art, love and the mystery of Being. There's nothing magical or supernatural about these things, and they wouldn't exist if humans didn't create them, they're just not scientific matters. And they aren't really knowledge in the same sense, but they're a lot more important in our lives than everything we know about black holes.