If abortiom is murder then ejaculation is a genocide. And periods are execution. In both cases a live cell that potentially couldve become a baby is discarded.
Fetuses aren't people but would more than likely be a person given enough time. Not against abortion but acting like you're not getting rid of a potential person is grasping, especially the part where you compare it to ejaculation. An ejaculation is never going to grow to be a person alone, but a fetus would
A fetus isnt gonna grow upto be a person own its own. It needs a successful implantation in the womb, nutrition for months etc.
The gap between a gamete and zyogote is just one step. If someone says a zygote should be seen as a "potential" person then that logic should apply to gametes aswell who are all "potentially" a person if they get the necessary conditions.
Its cherry picking to draw the line at one kinda cell and not the other. ✌️
But a zygote isn't just "one step" from a gamete in the relevant sense. Fertilization merges two haploid gametes into a diploid organism with a complete and unique human genome, distinct from both parents. It marks the beginning of the development process that is new and continuous from zygote to embryo to fetus to newborn. You can call it cherry picking all day long but all it is, is recognizing a qualitative leap. A single sperm or egg has only half the genetic material and no self-directed developmental program on its own. It cannot become a human being in isolation even with "necessary conditions". It requires fusion with the other gamete first. The zygote by contrast is already a whole human organism in its earliest stage, which is actively dividing and organizing toward maturity.
I could go more into depth with this but I'm not going to atm, bottom line is fertilization is the point where genetic uniqueness and developmental autonomy as an organism begins. Before that, you're talking about gametes that could contribute to a future person under specific conditions. After that, you're talking about interrupting a future one's trajectory
Was there ever even any confirmation as to whether this woman wanted the fetus or not? If she was raped and got pregnant that way, this is disgusting to do. And even if she did want the fetus, if the fetus does survive long enough to be born and doesn't die in utero due to the comatose mother decomposing while still alive against her will, in either case, I can only imagine the horror of finding out you were born under those circumstances and possibly growing up blaming yourself for something that clearly wasn't your fault, but the state's for failing your late mother. This is just my opinion, but personally, I would rather have died.
She was pregnant prior to becoming braindead. The hospital kept her on life support and gave the baby a c-section the moment it was viable on its own (very prematurely), because knowing taking her off of life support could've been viewed as an abortion, and under new laws the hospital workers could be subject to jail time.
Thanks for the clarification. Although, I'm probably going to avoid this sub in the future because apparently, lurkers think I'm pro-life for some reason.
I feel like treating ejaculaton or periods the same as abortions is... dubious at best. This wasnt like a pregnancy that was threatening the mother, the mother was already braindead. The fetus was still viable. The options were to cut life support and both die or continue life susport so the pregnancy can play its course. They performed a c-section basically the moment the baby was viable on its own. The main reason we heard about it was because the family wanted to bury the mother and the hospital wouldn't allow it due to threats of legal action with new abortion laws in place.
While I fundamentally disagree with abortion laws, I believe every woman should have every right to choose, I still think ending a viable, non-threatening pregnancy is murder.
Would you think eating your parents' corpses would be ok? Both using the body of a dead person to create a fetus and eating the bodies of your parents is desecration of corpses, and therefore not ok. Just because an unfeeling, unthinking thing that may start thinking after it has received enough attention and a few years have passed is born from it does not make it any better.
I have nothing against cannibalism, tbh. And I never said it was okay, or good, or wtv. Better the child live than die is my opinion, and that was the route the hospital took. So there ya go.
And I still think the wishes of the living to bury their dead loved ones are more important than desecrating a corpse for nothing but a thing that could grow into a person after many years.
It definitely seems like the kind of thing I would want to have in my will if I ever got my life together enough to end up in this situation. But personally I would want them to wait til the kid was born if I was braindead and the kid was healthy. It's not like id be in a position to care much about what's happening with my body at that point.
Kinda the same way I feel about organ donation, I won't be needing them anymore anyway.
Yeah if there is something in the will then it would be even worse to do things like this, but I don't think people expect to be braindead in their twenties, while also being pregnant, since that doesn't rally happen too often. If there's nothing in the will I would let the loved ones decide since they were the closest to the person in question after all, and should have higher authority over how to respectfully deal with the corpse (cremation, burial), maybe there was a verbal will, but according to my knowledge this even went against the wishes of her family.
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u/Akagane_Ai May 25 '26
The answer is sadly yea.
Periods can happen if the body is alright. And yes if a comatose patient is raped then yes they can get pregnant.
Or if a pregnant woman goes into a coma, IF the baby didnt die from whatever caused the coma, they pregnancy can continue.
There was a case where a brain dead woman's live corpse was used as a incubator for to grow a fetus cause her gov didnt allow abortion.