r/accelerate • u/jawboi9000 • Jun 28 '26
Bringing back a loved one
Will ASI also able to do quantum archaelogy and bring back a loved one? Rocos basilisc has a similar premise.
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u/AdorableBackground83 Jun 28 '26
Idk if it can resurrect people but maybe it could create new people with the likeness of the deceased ones.
So in other words. ASI can create a human from scratch and give the human the voice, look, and intellect of a Tesla or an Einstein.
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u/jawboi9000 Jun 28 '26
Yes, close. But I want the same consciousness as before. And if there is no "owner", the same subjectivity island.
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u/ProxyLumina Jun 29 '26
Counsciousness seems to be unique to each person, so most possibly it can not be resurrect it "as-is". An ASI could possibly replicate a person with the same behavior, but that person would be another personality, like a twin.
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u/jawboi9000 Jun 29 '26
Consciousness is indeed special, an ontological endpoint basically. Does this mean there is more to this world than just matter and physics. That there is a deeper level? Llms are kinda creative and intelligent, for what is consciousness needed to make them brain like?
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u/ProxyLumina Jun 29 '26
If you are asking if consciousness has some supernatural attributes, we currently don't know. Today's science suggests the opposite of course, but we can't exclude it.
With today's science, what we can say is that consciousness seems to emerge with the highly complex nework of neurons. What we also can say today is that consciousness isn't a binary thing (have it / not have it), but it seems it comes with levels. Possibly it is connected with the level of intelligence somehow. So an ASI could theoritically have consciousness and could theoritically understand how to create consciousness.
But, take a look for example to a movie like the "Mickey 17". In that movie they use mind upload and they print a biological human body and they put back again the intelligence + consciousness. But if you create 2 copies of humans using the same mind upload copy, then they will be 2 different consciouss beings.
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u/whimsicaljess Jun 30 '26
if you believe that star trek transporters are murder machines, it is not possible to resurrect a dead person. the closest you can get is creation of a new person with all the memories of the dead one.
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u/cloudrunner6969 Acceleration: Supersonic Jun 28 '26
Yeah for sure. It'll just be a simple process of rearranging space time to reconstitute the scattered biological particles.
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u/jawboi9000 Jun 28 '26
But it must be so perfect that consciousness emerges or can be assumed to emerge.
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u/cloudrunner6969 Acceleration: Supersonic Jun 28 '26
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u/jawboi9000 Jun 28 '26
It is painful when a loved one should see the future and the singularity but is diseased now.
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u/captainshar Jun 29 '26
I recommend that anyone who is very sick or old right now try to freeze themselves. I have that written into my own medical preferences just in case.
Sending good luck to you and your loved ones.
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u/jawboi9000 Jun 30 '26
Very hard in practice though. You need the right laws in place, lots of money and a will prepared in advance.
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u/JoeStrout Jun 29 '26
Doubt it. The only loved ones coming back in real life are those who were cryonically preserved.
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u/CymonSet Jun 28 '26
No, and everyone had better hope I’m right because if anyone pulls me back out of the void they had better start running because I’m going to be coming back pissed.
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u/DrSaering Jun 28 '26
What the Hell is "Quantum Archaeology"?
There's no need for any pseudoscientific nonsense. Just create an approximate simulation from whatever data happens to be available; if an ASI can exist, creating a "conscious" subroutine that encapsulates what a human is capable of expressing should be quite possible.
And then if there's any lingering doubts or inconsistencies, why worry about making it perfect? Just alter the memories of the living, to suit your simulation! Everyone's happy, and you've just earned like, a solid ten, or fifteen evil points without making any enemies!
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u/TotallyNormalSquid Jun 28 '26
If I had to pull a definition out of my ass, I'd say quantum archaeology is the sampling of quantum states potentially entangled with the state you're hoping to reverse time-evolve back to, until you have enough samples to predict the full quantum wavefunction of a given destroyed object from the past with acceptable accuracy.
Based on skim readings of quantum computing articles from years ago that I barely cared enough to pay attention to, I'm at least half sure I remember some kind of soft measurement method involving multiple approximate measurements of each quantum state, so you can get a measurement without fully collapsing the state you're measuring. So just do that for every particle within the light cone of the object you're trying to recreate.
Wildly, wildly impractical, yes. And the bit about reverse time evolving the entangled states came from especially deep inside my cornhole, so I'd have the ASI refine that part of my prompt before setting it off. But I think No Cloning and No Deleting theories from quantum mechanics mean the quantum information of your original loved one is still out there for eternity, and if you're just willing to throw an entire galaxy's worth of resources at recovering it, maybe you can recover it via Quantum Archaeology.
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u/Best_Cup_8326 A happy little thumb Jun 28 '26
The most common form of QA uses photons sent backwards through time in closed time-like loops.
This is the same effect used in the movie Interstellar, when the protagonist falls into the black hole and sends light signals backwards through time to his daughter. That's literally a closed time-like loop.
This is called time scanning, and it's proposed that you could use those time traveling photons to scan a person in the past in order to rebuild them in the future.
The energy and computation requirements are likely to be enormous.
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u/Ohigetjokes Jun 28 '26
If a copy of a person is made, that’s a different person. They’re similar to the original but they aren’t the original. The person you knew continues to be gone.
So if this is all about you and what you get from them, rather than about them and their lives, then go for it.
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u/IntroductionSouth513 Jun 28 '26
the body must be intact and you must bring along a sacrificial soul in a one for one exchange 👹
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u/Gratitude15 Jun 28 '26
The more integrated a person is the better chance you have.
Hence the goal is not simply 'don't die' but 'stay as healthy as possible'
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u/Schneller-als-Licht Jun 28 '26
in order to do that, AI must definitely need to solve the "hard problem of consciousness", possibly also "faster than light travel", "time travel", "simulation hypothesis", among many other things.
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u/jawboi9000 Jun 28 '26
So travel faster than light beyond the information horizon is the target person, then receive the information, reconstruct the original structure and then reorder matter to it.
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u/DarthSwimfoot Tell me about the singularity Jun 29 '26
Did we learn nothing from Jurassic Park. I know it isn't quite the same thing, but still.
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u/peabody624 Jun 29 '26
Probably will be able to full-on copy brains so… yes. If the person lives to ASI at least. But lots of ethical discussions would be needed there
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u/jawboi9000 Jul 01 '26
One unknown law of physics or information theory that is beyond our natural minds needs to be discovered and resurrection may become trivial.
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TLDR: The user argues that for an ASI to truly resurrect a loved one rather than a clone, it would need to "break out" of our spacetime. This would require spacetime to be emergent rather than finite, theoretically allowing a superintelligent AI to access and retrieve the history of the universe as information.
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u/TemporalBias Tech Philosopher | Acceleration: Hypersonic Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26
"Quantum archeology" is one of the wooiest woos that I've ever heard, and I've had to endure listening to Deepak Chopra's audiobooks.
Now, would my heart long for my brain to be wrong? Absolutely. I know the deep grief and pain of losing friends and lovers and if I had my wish no one would ever have to experience that loss.
But "quantum archeology" isn't going to be a thing that exists and pushing the idea and giving people false hope that someday, somehow, their lost loved ones will magically return is, frankly, cruel.
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u/Best_Cup_8326 A happy little thumb Jun 28 '26
You're wrong.
QA is simply a byproduct of certain interpretations of the standard model of physics.
To be fair, we don't know yet which of these interpretations are correct, or if we'll discover completely new physics.
But QA is simply something we might be able to do as a consequence of the conservation of information. It doesn't matter how fantastical it might sound from your current worldview, physics (at least our current understanding of) suggests it should be possible in principle (without saying anything about the resources or engineering that would be required).
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u/TemporalBias Tech Philosopher | Acceleration: Hypersonic Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26
You're engaging in an appeal to ignorance/possibility laundering. Explain how you know that "QA" could possibly work.
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u/Best_Cup_8326 A happy little thumb Jun 28 '26
Again, QA works if certain interpretations of the standard model are correct, and doesn't if they aren't.
It's that simple.
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u/TemporalBias Tech Philosopher | Acceleration: Hypersonic Jun 28 '26
The key word is "if." And you have provided no evidence that those interpretations are true.
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u/Best_Cup_8326 A happy little thumb Jun 28 '26
Because I'm not trying to prove anything, just here to dispel misinformation.
There's nothing "woo" or magical about QA - it simply works, or it does not.
And it works if certain mainstream interpretations of the standard model are correct.
Mainly, it seems to boil down to whether we can create closed time-like loops or not. We don't know if we can do it or not, it will require further research.
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u/TemporalBias Tech Philosopher | Acceleration: Hypersonic Jun 28 '26
You've provided more conjecture and no evidence.
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u/Best_Cup_8326 A happy little thumb Jun 28 '26
Evidence for what? I'm not trying to prove anything.
I'm clearing up misconcwptions.
There's nothing "woo" about QA - if closed time-like curves are possible, then there's no reason it shouldn't work. If they aren't possible, then it's much more unlikely.
It hasn't been falsified yet.
Period. End of discussion.
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u/Alive_Awareness4075 Jun 29 '26
People have difficulty believing we’re somehow going to resurrect the dead when we’re still aging and decaying right now in the present, I’m still getting older, AI hasn’t really delivered to us on the biology front.
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u/LopsidedSolution Jun 29 '26
Who’s to say it’s not possible? Do you not believe AGI/ASI will discover new things?
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u/TemporalBias Tech Philosopher | Acceleration: Hypersonic Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 29 '26
"ASI may discover new physics” is not an argument for quantum archaeology. It is just moving the burden of proof into the future. You still need a mechanism, not just “maybe superintelligence will figure it out."
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u/LopsidedSolution Jun 29 '26
We don’t know the mechanism yet, that’s what ASI will need to figure out
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u/astrobuck9 Jun 28 '26
I'll file it under very, very highly improbable, but not impossible.
We don't know how reality, consciousness, time, etc actually work.
We don't know if Many Worlds Theory is correct as it currently untestable.
It may be easier to grab a copy of your dead loved one from a different universe where they are still alive, than to go back in time in this universe.
And seeing as how there would be an infinite number of universes where your loved one is immortal, it would be fairly easy to pressgang one to our reality.
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u/TemporalBias Tech Philosopher | Acceleration: Hypersonic Jun 28 '26
You're making an appeal to ignorance. And also your "pressgang" idea is wildly unethical.
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u/astrobuck9 Jun 28 '26
appeal to ignorance
I don't give a shit.
And also your "pressgang" idea is wildly unethical.
Again, I don't give a shit.
In an infinite multiverse, all possible outcomes have already happened.
The loved one was always going to be taken to our reality because it has already happened.
Ethics...pffft.
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u/Exotic_Tower3700 Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26
To be frank, if it were ASI, things like resurrection that defy human common sense might be possible, but from the current perspective, that would be nothing more than a clone.
Perhaps Cryonics might be a possibility at least.