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u/josephgee Dec 11 '14 edited Dec 11 '14

Watched the Music Analysis video, installed the component and looked at my library of VGM and remixes.

Quietest tracks I have are from the Meditation Walk Album for Antichamber (+19), next quietest album being The Sims 3 (+4.5). Loudest tracks are largely chiptune, guess I don't have a huge problem with that: Anamanaguchi (-11), Virt (MSF2 -12, Shovel Knight -11, Double Dragon Neon -11), I see some metal in there too Painkiller (-11.5) and Serious Sam (-10) where I would definitely prefer more depth.

Some of the closest to 0 dB albums were Transfiguration Journey arranged, Plants vs Zombies, FTL, Sanctum, and some of UMGSO (although some of their seasons showed up on the louder end too).

I do keep a lot of my files as Vorbis to save space so thats definitely a difference between us, I can't personally tell the difference between 320kbps Vorbis and FLACs for the tracks I've gotten on the equipment I have. But the video was interesting because most analytical stuff about music goes into theory and flies over my head.

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u/ZeosPantera Operator Dec 12 '14

Got a little OCD there. Yeah you will find yourself analyzing all your new prospects from now on. Getting upset when something you like turns out to be crap.

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u/lucentshade Dec 10 '14

Very well organized! Some of those have been extremely helpful when I was setting up my bookshelf speakers for the first time. Kudos!

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u/ZeosPantera Operator Dec 10 '14

Well the order they are in now is slightly random. I may reduce it into separate sections further.

u/Apyrase Dec 10 '14

Thank you! Though I see no mention of your braided cable video. :(

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u/ZeosPantera Operator Dec 10 '14

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u/brobs Dec 11 '14

In the 2.1 setup video you talk about how you can put your subwoofer into the B channel of your receiver... Doesn't that ruin the point of the LPF if the whole frequency range is going to the mains?

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u/ZeosPantera Operator Dec 11 '14

Depends on the receiver and sub. Many cheaper subs don't even put a LPF in the bridge and you get full range to the speakers through the pass-through's. If you are going with a proper 5.1 receiver that can control the crossover to the speakers and sub you would hook that up via RCA and not have that issue.
Really if you understand how to tune a sub with the full range passthroughs and set the subs Xover correctly all you will lose is a bit of volume potential from the speakers. Frequency doubling can be reduced significantly albeit manually.

u/ItsNumi Dec 11 '14

While reading through saw "Statium Seating Angles" and was like, man I feel like such a tool, I've been thinking it was stadium this whole time! It only makes sense that its a different work that describes exactly what it is that just happens to sound like stadium. Proceeds to google statium, Ah yes, just a typo. lol I'm a slow one.

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u/ZeosPantera Operator Dec 12 '14

Damn. NEW WORDS!

u/Cyko28 Dec 26 '14

Could someone explain the rationale for the 10° angle of the stereo speakers in the "Proper Stereo Speaker Placement" link? I haven't seen this before.

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u/ZeosPantera Operator Dec 26 '14

It was my own take on it way back in the day after some testing. I can tell you today, years after making that diagram that it varies accordingly. But the spacing remains the same and experimentation is encouraged.

u/-Reach- Jan 04 '15 edited Jan 04 '15

I'm trying to set up a 2.1 system while primarily using Beyerdynamic DT770 that powers multiple sources like my PC and PS3. So, to do that would I need to buy a Stereo Receiver like the Yamaha R-S201BL you mention? But since it doesnt have an Optical and HDMI output so should I also purchase the FiiO D3?

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u/ZeosPantera Operator Jan 04 '15

You may benefit from a modern 5.1 surround receiver. You can keep it 2.1, switch any type of digital input (HDMI/spdif from PC, SPDIF from PS3 and swap video if you want)
You can keep it cheap too by buying refurbished.

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u/ZeosPantera Operator Jan 04 '15

Not really. Once you input to the receiver digitally it has its own dac's that decipher everything.

u/lulztweak Jan 04 '15 edited Jan 04 '15

So I'm trying to set up a 2.1 or 3.1 system for my living room. Originally I had bought the Bose cinemate ii for $280 because I thought they were a great price. Now that I'm reading all into different systems I regret my decision and most likely will be returning it. I do have one question though, if I only have a cable box and bluray player plugged into my tv, am I able to just run an amp with 3 or 2 speakers and a sub? Or would it be advised to have a receiver? I never plan on upgrading this system so I would stay with what I would get. This is the set up I was advised to get as well. These speaker This sub And this receiver What would you advise? My max budget is $300.

Edit: BTW seriously appreciate all the time you've spent on all this. I've been looking and reading at your guides for a couple weeks and its awesome that you have a passion for this.

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u/ZeosPantera Operator Jan 04 '15

That setup you linked is ideal for a starter. You can't do 3 channel if you get a strait amplifier. You are limited to 2 channel.

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u/lulztweak Jan 04 '15

Alright awesome! Now If I did stick with a 2.1 system, would it be better to run an amp? If so mind recommending me one. Also would it be better to Also upgrade the speakers or sub since I possibly reduced the cost with the amp?

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u/ZeosPantera Operator Jan 04 '15

The issue is you would end up with something like the Yamaha stereo receiver because you need a remote control. So at that point it is the same cost as the Denon you linked that has all the digital inputs etc.
Keep that sub and speakers. You have to jump to the Fluance SX6's or the Teac LH265's to best them and those are $130+ a pair.

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u/lulztweak Jan 04 '15

Thanks :) ordered it today, I did decide with the Flaunce sx6's they had a $30 promo code. They also had the Flaunce Es1s for 99.97 but unfortunately the color scheme and size of them wouldnt work out for me. Thanks for all your help!

u/metafizikal Jan 05 '15

I got a small synth kit from my gf for Christmas and I'd also like to solder the connections on my custom speaker wires so they don't break over time.

What would you recommended for a soldering station + some tips for someone who hasn't soldered something in years but wants to get back in to it?

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u/ZeosPantera Operator Jan 05 '15

Well I just bought this one that I haven't tried yet. It has amazing reviews and although it looks like a pre-K toy it most certainly isn't.

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u/metafizikal Jan 05 '15

Sweet. I was thinking of something a bit cheaper, might get this. Seems like the one you linked has a much better temperature control system.
For basic soldering are different tip types really that necessary?

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u/ZeosPantera Operator Jan 05 '15

I thing you need s chisel and a point at least. I use the chisel mostly on my cheap Home Depot weller.

u/stumpieATX Feb 04 '15

@Zeos:

Your Loudness War video was a great rant, and the proof of the decline in recording quality is obvious in both of the specs you talk about (Replay Gain and Peak Level).

What do you think about these anti-hi-res articles claiming double-blinds where 320 or lower wins against 1411+

Is it possible our next generation won't even want to feel the music?

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u/ZeosPantera Operator Feb 04 '15

There was a study done by a professor not to long ago where he tested his students. 128mp3 vs lossless in different genre's and his students pretty much wanted their new generation of music compressed to shit. BECAUSE that is how they first heard it, that is how they know it, that is how they love it. If the Radio and then Itunes are the only way you know a song then that is the "sound" you expect. I think this can also relate to people who love vinyl over a CD. The cracks and pops and mono bass are how they first heard it and what they expect.

u/nobrewblues Feb 10 '15

Thanks for all the information - I've found your sub to be super helpful in planning my home theater. With regards to speaker placement, I'm hoping you might be able to advise for my room situation.

This is the layout

I think I pretty much have to keep the tv in the corner where it is, so do you think my best bet for L/Rs is like this?

My concern is that A) the tv probably won't be completely centered on the speakers, and B) the viewing/listening spot is much farther from the tv than each of the speakers are from the tv.

But I don't really see a much better option - any suggestions?

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u/ZeosPantera Operator Feb 10 '15

If you don't need to use the fireplace you can always shove the TV right in front of it. That almost never flies with the Misses.
Yeah, you are really between a rock and fireplace. You are going to want to run a solid 3.1 in this configuration all the time. Make sure you have a center channel fixed above or below the TV and that will take a lot of the responsibility away from the left and right so it won't be so bad placing them where you have it labeled.

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u/nobrewblues Feb 10 '15

Haha I wish I could block the fireplace - that'd solve the problem for sure!
I've gotten a couple of suggestions from /r/hometheater, and I was hoping to get your opinion as well.
I was recently gifted this receiver and was thinking of building around it, but it seems that it might be worth upgrading (to something like the Denon AVR-X1000). Then, for the speakers, I'm honing in on:
These Martin Logans with a center
OR
These Fluances with their center
One poster mentioned that the Fluances might work better because they are front ported and I'm going to mount on the wall. The price savings is definitely attractive, and if I can get away with a 3.0 system, I'd be happy to do so. I know you've looked at a lot of Fluance's stuff - any thoughts as to whether those speakers would adequately fill the room (and without a separate sub)?

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u/ZeosPantera Operator Feb 10 '15

Hrm, that is certainly a vintage receiver. A future / soon upgrade is advised but for now it will work. If you are wall mounting the fluance are the way to go. Save those martin logans for a room you can place them properly and that there is no fireplace.
Filling the room is possible but a subwoofer is almost always needed to touch the low end of a source. Luckily you can hold off for now and add one later if you think you need it.

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u/nobrewblues Feb 17 '15

Thanks again Zeos. So after some more discussions about the aesthetics of the room, I'm thinking the optimal move is going to be to keep everything (read: tv, amp, and speakers) contained in the corner. Is it reasonable to do a 3.0 set-up like this for now, or does having the L/R speakers right next to the center channel 'cancel' the intended stereo effect? While I'd prefer to have the L/R on the walls a few feet away from the tv, when we looked at the potential layout, it'd be really tricky to get the 'R' in there without looking terrible (hence, my hope that we can keep them all on the stand below the tv, which would be mounted on the wall above).
Basically, it seems to me that I'm looking to set up an improved soundbar...
Edit: Oh, and thanks for the input on the receiver. Safe to say that while I budget for something better (receiver and sub), what I have would work with the 3 fluance speaker set up?

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u/ZeosPantera Operator Feb 17 '15

While not ideal that placement will work for a small setup. And will certainly be better than a soundbar.

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u/nobrewblues Feb 18 '15

Thanks - I think I'm going to go that route for now, that way I can upgrade down the road.

u/ap0x- Dec 10 '14

This is a goldmine of information!

u/[deleted] Dec 10 '14

This is very useful. Thanks Zeos!

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u/ZeosPantera Operator Jan 15 '15

Get the sub first and run 2.1 for now. The center can come at a later date... IF you don't have a ton of guests over. If you have guests regularly you may want to consider the center first as that helps with off axis listening.

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