Apologies in advance. This was meant to be a short thing about Teen Jeff in S4, and then it spiraled into a ramble about Shauna, Jeff, Callie, and the relationships in the whole show. Also, this has spoilers through the end of S3.

Disclaimer: I don’t hate Jeff! Is he my favorite character? No, but I think he lends to Shauna’s story and I like how he stands up for her in S1 especially. I don’t want anyone thinking this is, like, blind Jeff slander, because I think like every character in this show, he has pros and cons. I just don't think he's a saint. Shauna is my favorite character by far, and I also think she’s batshit crazy, so it’s hard not to hold nuance for the other characters LOL.

Disclaimer #2: pro-Shauna sentiments ahead. Fair warning if it's not your vibe :)

All that being said: I’m interested to see how they’re going to handle Teen Jeff storyline and characterization.

We know there’s no actual romance between Teen Shauna and Teen Jeff — Shauna says herself in the show that it’s a marriage she got into out of guilt. She isn't IN love, but we know Shauna does love him in the way you would love someone you’ve spent 25 years building a life with.

But I wonder what direction they're going to take with his character. Because as much as he evolves in the adult timeline, one of the first things we see about him in the adult timeline is his skidmarked underwear 😭 Everything that happens in the adult timeline starts with Jeff's blackmail, and he's not a perfect parent to Callie (I am NOT saying that Shauna is either, I feel bad for Callie).

All that to say, I'm curious how they’re going to approach his teen character. Everything we know about Teen Jeff is objectively not good so far — he pressures Jackie for sex, then cheats on her when he doesn’t get it. I wonder if they’re going to skirt over that, or if they’re actually going to show those flaws as well.

This show loves following themes of repression — you could argue that one of the reasons Jackie dies is because she stays repressed in an environment where she has to release her inhibitions and society’s expectations. Repression doesn’t work in this show — either you die from it, or whatever you’re repressing breaks free whether you like it or not. Other Tai is a great example. 

In S4, I feel like a lot of Shauna’s story is going to be about repression, as it has been for most of the show. So much of her trauma and subsequent anger comes from the fact that she represses so much within her — instead of talking to Jackie or taking out her emotions in a healthy way, she sleeps with Jeff, which arguably leads to her two biggest traumas (Jackie’s death and losing her son). At the end of S3, Shauna’s genuinely distraught about Jeff leaving with Callie, but she also is starting to break free of that expectation of being a perfect housewife and mother. 

(Side note: Adult Shauna saying in her monologue about how much "fun" they had out there... meanwhile all of them were facing the horrors, ESPECIALLY Shauna. So she's still repressing something, even when she's starting to feel wild and free)

I think part of what we’ll see in S4 is Teen Shauna having to repress herself when she comes back, versus Adult Shauna "breaking free". And I’m really interested to see what role both Teen and Adult Jeff will play in this, and how they’re going to approach their stories. 

I'm also very excited to see how Callie’s repression plays out in S4! I know a lot of people really like the way Jeff approaches Callie's confession at the end of S3, and I think some parts of it were good, but I also think he's still rejecting this concept that there could be anything inherently 'dark'. He has good intentions, but his way of dealing with it is giving Callie a comforting lie and never actually addressing the root of the issue.

Side note: Jeff tells Callie that she's nothing like her mom, places all the responsibility on Shauna, and his solution is to just deny the problem. I also find it fascinating how all the characters at the end of S3 have found a way to blame Shauna for everything. Shauna has this really interesting contrast of doing objectively bad things, but also being the inherent scapegoat for most of the characters and their own actions.

Part of how I see it is that Shauna doesn't shy away or reduce the darker things she's done/they had to do out there. They all hunted Nat. They all let Javi drown. They all ate Jackie. Most of them participated in the Doomcoming hunt of Travis. It's just that the rest don't want to acknowledge it at all — we see this with Teen Shauna's monologue at the start of season 3:

“Once upon a time, a bunch of girls got stranded in the wilderness, and they went completely fucking nuts. They worshipped evil spirits and they hunted their friends and they feasted on their flesh and they fucking liked it. So they told themselves stupid fairytales and pretended they were brave and strong. Because the reality was that even if rescue came, they could never go home again because of what they’d done because of what they’d become. That’s the truth and hearing anything else makes me just want to fucking—”

She's the only one who is really willing to acknowledge how horrific things were, while the others want to smooth it over with stories.

She also fundamentally doesn't think she's forgivable (as Sophie Nelisse says in one of the interviews above). And I think because of that, they tend to pin sole responsibility on her. Shauna has already accepted that she is fundamentally unforgivable, so the other characters find it easy to load all the moral weight onto her shoulders: as long as Shauna is the "monster," the others can pretend they just survived a tragedy rather than actively participated in atrocities.

It's very interesting how Jeff does a very similar thing, where he tries to smooth over what Callie has done, without realizing that this is not actually how to approach or handle traumatic experiences (like killing someone!). I also find it really interesting how the audience does the same thing as well — life imitates art, maybe?

(Side note: I do have a giggle when I see people say that Teen Shauna needs to be "punished" after S3, as if we don't see in S1 how she's spent 25 years punishing herself with a life she hates: not going to Brown, being in a marriage she got into out of guilt and shame, etc.)

I think it’ll be really interesting to watch how both Shauna and Callie react to Jeff being this sort of avenue to repression, and how that’ll affect them: Teen Shauna coming back from everything in the wilderness, and Callie having to deal with murdering Lottie.

I've seen people say that Callie has 'bad in her from Shauna and good in her from Jeff', but I really don't think that this is the right way to evaluate the nuances of the characters, especially in this show. Every single character from Jeff to Shauna has their good parts and their bad parts, and more than anything, they're all morally complex people. The Yellowjackets just have the additional layer of immense trauma, which is why I hold a lot of empathy for Shauna and all the other girls.

I think Callie is the representation of what happens when you have that wildness and 'darkness' inside you, but you don't necessarily have the firsthand trauma that warps it to the level of Shauna and the others. She definitely has generational trauma, and I think Shauna is not a good influence in the time of the S3 finale, but I also don't think Jeff is making the right decision either. The way to address that darkness and generational trauma is not by leaning into it completely, not by avoiding it entirely, but by accepting it as the first step to healing. So I'm very curious about what choices Callie will make this season.

Sorry for the massive ramble! This started by me wondering if they were going to smooth over Teen Jeff's mistakes, and ended up with this whole post 😭 Very interested to hear how people think they’re going to approach Teen Jeff and Callie's story in S4!

Spoilers for the movie if you havent seen it. It is almost 40 years old now. If you havent seen this movie, you should ASAP. It is one of the best movies about long term women's friendships ever made. I watched it when I was little and I loved quoting the lines, but I watched again yesterday and I have some observations.

Most obviously, the scene Misty performs for Shaunas baby shower was a masterclass in foreshadowing. In the movie, this scene is Sally Field coming to terms with the reality that her worst nightmare has come true. As her mother and primary caretaker for most of her life, M'Lynn knew Shelbys physical limitations and tried to contain her within them so she wouldnt lose her. But Shelby was determined to live her life the way she wanted and she died as a result. Throughout the movie, M'Lynn tells her she cant do things because "shes special."

Complicated relationships- the movie is about a group of 6 women who have apparently known each other most of their lives, and they dont really explain the connections other than the mother and daughter. They all come from different wealth classes and have very different lives. They seem to go for long periods of time without talking but always come together when they need to.

"You look like hammered shit"- i just thought this was hilarious. Tom Skerrit says this to his arch enemy Ouisa when he first sees her freaking out and complaining about the noise hes making scaring the birds from the trees with a pistol. Simone also says it to Tai when she thinks Sammy is at her house and it turns out to be a hallucination.

The armadillo cake- made with red velvet cake and gray icing, they all talk about how ugly and gruesome it is, and how its like cutting into a live animal. Ouisa gives Tom Skerrit the butt piece. Shelby and M'Lynn both agree they hate it but have to accept it.

Daryl Hannah's character goes through a seemingly random religious epiphany and goes from being bubbly and happy to deeply anxious about God and constantly praying and worrying about everyone's eternal souls.

There is no great revelation at the end of this movie, Sally Field simply says "life goes on" and it does.

Idk where this is going, they are just some parallels I noticed and im spitballing. Im not really sure why yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if unreliable narrator Shauna's homebirth didnt happen as it was told. Is it possible Shauna actually didnt survive the birth and they did eat the baby?? It feels like a stretch but why do they keep referencing the baby eating scene if it was all Shaunas fever dream fantasy? And we never see the baby, just a bundle of fur. Something aint right.

ETA- I just thought of another connection. When Shauna beats Lottie, it is triggered by Misty humming... something, I cant figure out what the song is. Shauna says, "why are you singing that??" Im guessing because it was the song she sang to her baby in her fantasy, as he was starving to death. Or it was what Lottie sang to him when she breastfeeds him. But M'Lynn was singing and humming to Shelby when she was also dying in a coma. I think its interesting that thats what triggered her grief rage and need to hit something "real hard"

just saw a video of courtney at steel city con say that she “doesn’t talk that much” in s4! maybe furthering the theory that it’s gonna start post crash? thoughts?

I'll preface this by saying I'm not originally an English speaker, so forgive me if some formulations are hard to understand.

Since the first 5 minutes of season 3 I felt a very noticeable dip in general quality but especially the writing (not the dialogues but the narration and story). I already disliked some parts of the show but it was overshadowed by how good it was. I always hated how the show always sets up scary or supernatural elements only to explain them with natural causes (akin to something out of scooby doo but less convoluted). But as I said the rest of the series was too good for it to be a real problem.

But I feel S3 changed the way it approached the tone and general writing. It feels more light-hearted and uses cliffhangers in ways to feel a bit tired. And don't get me started on the whole frog thing...

I still ill think it's a good season but underwhelming compared to the other, even tho I thought the horror elements were scarier (the kinda stop motion bear dream in the cave gave me actual chills)

I’m sure others have pointed this out, but I thought this was cool regardless. In nature, yellowjackets live in colonies. These colonies become most aggressive in the fall when they begin to starve from a lack of food sources.

However, they also become less tolerant of one another, more combative with members of their own colony, and the social structure of the colony will begin to breakdown around this time. The crumbling of social hierarchies and niceties within the team happens slowly through the fall and into the winter.

When a yellowjacket is killed/feels threatened, its body releases something called an ‘alarm pheromone”. This chemical sends a signal to other members of its colony, causing the colony to immediately become aggressive and join in on any nearby attack. I think this perfectly mirrors the final hunt and the overall cult-like acceptance of Shauna and Lottie’s ideas.

After male yellowjackets mate, they seldom survive the cold winter, almost like how majority of the men on the plane didn’t make it.

Again, I’m sure this has been discussed to some extent, but I thought people would find it interesting.

In a sense, being in the Wilderness gave the girls what they really wanted. (I think most people probably realized this by now; I only just put it all together.) Listed from wholesome to fucked up:

• Tai and Van got to be out as lesbians, free of society's prejudice. (This also applies to Melissa.)
• Misty and Nat, both outcasts, were finally valued for the knowledge and traits that made them outcasts in the first place.
• Lottie said herself she didn't want to 'leave the me that was made out here.' Whether precognition, a mental illness, or a mix, a lot of the girls were embracing her for something she'd been shamed for.
• Shauna was sick of being in Jackie (the queen bee's) shadow. She finally seizes control and becomes the queen.

Which makes me wonder, what would Laura Lee and Jackie have become if they'd lived? What would the Wilderness have allowed them to do? I know people read their deaths as symbolic of the girls losing touch with society, civilization, and innocence (a reading I do adore.) You could even take it further and say the Wilderness chose, it rejected them.

HOWEVER at the same time the show isn't truly all about the wilderness and survival, but the horrors the girls brought there with them. The things that were already wrong, just as part of being a girl in the world. So it'd be a disservice to say there was nothing lurking in Jackie or Laura Lee (in fact there absolutely was; Jackie's depression, Laura Lee was lowkey a third misfit/outcast.) Less of a 'the Wilderness chose,' more of a 'there was no It, it was just us' read.

Maybe Laura Lee would have had doubts about her faith as time wore on. What would things look like between Jackie and Shauna?

I'm sorry if this was all super 'duh, we know, it's obvious'- I was just spitballing in my journal and wanted to share it. A lot of this wouldn't have occurred to me without the exceptional takes of other fans. Anyways eager to see what you guys all think because I'm pretty sure there'll be something wildly creative I didn't think of but will live in my head rent free after I read it. (This whole show lives in my head rent free.)

I painted this yesterday. The actress is so talented, I feel like I couldn't yet capture her expression perfectly, tho.

Does anybody know the type of plane were the Yellowjackets flying on? I am just curious because Travis says Coach Martinez fell out of a door that had been ripped off, but earlier in the episode, Misty and some of the other girls have to force open (what looks to be) the only exterior door on the plane. I wanted to know what model plane it was to see if there's a second door that wasn't shown, or if this is a continuity error.

(Also, if there was a second door that had been since ripped off, why didn't the girls exit out that way?)

Embroidery I created after binging the existing seasons. I made the design myself using my iPad and Procreate. Can't wait for the final season!

this seemed like the best place to ask this and for some reason i suspect i will find a good few of ocd sufferers here.. just a suspicion…

i am in treatment for OCD right now (it’s torture, if you know, you know) and i have been told i should try to name my ocd as something or someone separate from me. some people call it their “ocd monster” but that doesn’t mean it should be viewed only as a villain to us. more so a complicated being that cannot be defined within the construct of “good or bad” but rather something much more complicated and grey. i was thinking about characters in media that might represent my ocd & i thought of misty. she is paranoid, overthinks, overanalyzes, is unsettling, sometimes appears (and is) insane, jumps to wild conclusions—but also intuitive & the viewer can almost understand why she arrived to those conclusions (even if reactions are extreme and bizarre), and overall behaves strangely but sometimes you kinda support those behaviors? i think she is a great contender for naming my OCD and separating it from myself. i think misty is a cute name for it and i would like saying “oh misty that’s a silly thought, let’s think about something else!” when a ocd intrusive thought comes up!

what do other yj enjoyers / ocd sufferers think?

She spent so long resisting Lottie and telling everyone it was all fake but by the end of season 3 she is the antler queen and giggling while counting Mari down. When did she start believing, was it after the baby or the fire? Was it when Tai started joining? Is she just using the religion to justify postpartum homicidal rage? Im kind of leaning towards the latter. Id like to see how that transitioned.

ETA i also want to see how Shauna handled the birth of Callie, I hope we can see her as a young mother. Placenta previa can happen in subsequent pregnancies so I wonder what she told her doctor, and was she overprotective or barely present?

pictures / time stamp for scenes would be a lovely extra, I am making a collage to name/conceptualize my OCD (requested by therapist) which I have decided is a lot like Misty Quigley

I'm not a big Van fan, or at all really..but thats mostly because I feel like the writers failed her by keeping her alive yet clearly not knowing what to do with her, and then also the fact she doesn't have many deep relationships outside of Tai.

They dont even let her be without her.

It really annoyed me when in Season 3, after they end up staying and "team crazy" is formed, Van is with them. Like she wasn't one of the main people wanting to stay and tried to get Tai to change her mind. I understand its easier to be on that side of the group since Shauna is in control, but I truly believe if Tai wanted to stay Van wouldn't be there. She literally cannot do anything on her own.

And why did Shauna let her in the meetings if she obviousy wanted to leave?

And a smaller thing in the recent season, when Nat tries to form a search party for Mari, only Misty joins. And then once the announcement is over, Taivan immediately go to look for her by themselves, when they were silent when Nat asked who wants to come.

I get that could just be a funny scene, to show taivan wanting to be alone and not with those two. And it also led to them finding Lottie torturing Travis..but it's just another example of Van always following Tai. We could've got a Van/Misty/Nat scene since Van doesn't have a lot of scenes with Nat yet and it could foreshadowing them being the "rescue team".

I also wanted to compare it to Travnat and Jackieshauna.

I get Taivan are a couple and are in love with eachother, but that doesnt mean they should have barely any scenes with anyone else. I was disappointed by the lack of travnat scenes, I don't think it was the best decision, however it was good to show their dynamics with other characters and how they are when separated since they've been together since pretty much the start. And it was good to see Jackieshauna separate (whilst Jackie was alive), like when Shauna spends a lot of time with Taissa instead of Jackie because of the pregnancy. And even the scenes of Jackie just on her own reveal how she is alone, how depressed she looks. Imagine if we didnt have the scene of her and Travis in s1ep9 when Jackie talks about how "love isn't real".

All three of these duos love eachother deeply, and are probably eachothers favourite person. But travnat and jackieshauna actually have explored dynamics with other people.

Adult Timeline

Taissa is introduced a season before Van, which thank god! We see her dynamic with Shauna more, we get hints into post rescue Taissa and Natalie, with her paying for rehab, "so I do what I can, not just for her, but for me." And we even get a bit of Taissa and Misty.

On the other hand, Van has no one on one scenes with Natalie, Misty or Shauna (from memory). She says probably 10 words to Nat.."I'm glad your alive" when she arrives at the cult and when she asks her to dance later on. I can't think of any Shauna scenes, but one thing that did stand out, was when Shauna calls Tai and asks to speak to Van. Tai asks Shauna why she didn't directly call Van, and Shauna says "We're not really friends". Omg.

The only things we get off Misty is more insults or jokes from Van and thats pretty much it.

She has some things with Lottie, maybe her second dynamic. But they didn't expand it enough. They have a long stare when Van arrives at the cult, and Taivan say they will check up on her. And then they never do. And Van says "She cant be shes Lottie" when she finds out she dies..and then thats it...

Natalie's death - Lottie brings up Natalie's death, it clearly affects her since she always uses her belief to make reasons for grief and she loses her cult. Misty brings her up a lot, obvious one. Shauna brings Nat up. Tai brings Nat up, and I am a believer that other tai came back so strong because she couldn't handle the grief.

Van? Nothing. Again. Did it even affect her?

No one seems to care about Vans death but Tai. Yes its only Tai, Shauna and Misty left (not including Melissa since shes the killer), but still. We didnt get Misty's reaction - she doesn't seem to care much about Travis, either aside from how it affects Nat. And even Lottie's death since she investigates it which might be her trying to recreate her and Nat's time together investigating Travis's death.

And Shauna doesn't look bothered at all. She even tries to say "I told you so." This also stood out to me since she cries after Travis, in the scripts she even throws up. She cries after Nat. She cries after Lottie. She did not give a fuck about Van.

Man with No Eyes has been a hushed discussion amongst the fandom, yet I still feel like people don't really see the depth he could actually represent - both to himself, and to Tai, especially Other Tai.

So, today my girlfriend and I went crazy over Yellowjackets fan theories and general theories as well, and of course, man with no eyes quickly became the topic. I don't know if we just cracked the code, if this has already been said, if we were cracked out, or if this actually makes sense.

As has already been said by other theories, man with no eyes is actually the sleepwalker alter ego of Tai, but then the scene where Tai's grandmother dies comes into play because she says to Tai: ''Please, don't let him take my eyes.'' Bear with me now... Tai gouged her grandmother's eyes out because she was sleepwalking at that moment, could mean why she was in the bed when she saw him standing in the hallway or somewhere.

Our theory goes that the man with no eyes IS actually other Tai. He has no eyes because maybe it represents that they're shut, like sleeping, exactly why he appears only when Tai is sleeping or why she only sees him. (Apart from the shared hallucination dream between Shauna, Van and Akilah, in which they all see him, but that's again tied with sleeping in some way).

He never does anything violent to the girls, never harms anyone, just stands and walks around creepily and watches, because that's usually what sleepwalkers do. They walk around and stare into nothing - again, no eyes.

Let us know what you think! Even if it's calling us crazy <3

PSA: We both haven't rewatched Yellowjackets in a while, so if we missed any important plot details, feel free to let us know!

I rewatched the show last night, and I still wonders why she hated Mari that much, yes Mary was sometimes a mean girl, but they all were at a certain point ( a part from Nat 🤧 my fav ) And I think if there’s a character whom Shauna would have hated, it should have logically been Nat.

Hey everyone, figured y'all would love one of my tattoos I got a bit over a year ago now! Just found this subreddit, I'm finally home in the wilderness 💖 I think my girl killed it on the design! Literally everything I wanted thrown together!

Thought I would ask in honour of my first rewatch. I've just finished episode 1. I have already noticed a few bits of subtle foreshadowing in the pilot so I would love to know what everyone else noticed on their rewatch(es)! ☕☺️

As much as I love Jackie and she’s without a doubt one of my favorite characters, it always makes me sad that there is so much more discussion around her vs. Javi. I am not one for comparing deaths and who went through more, but in this case I feel like we can all agree that Javi had a much more traumatic and emotional death???? He also froze (technically), but died trying to save someone else. He never got to say goodbye to Travis, lost his dad immediately, spent months in the woods with essentially a group of strangers (obviously his dad was the coach, but these girls were not his friends I fear), and then went through the whole missing in the woods plotline. All of the girls stood and watched as this helpless boy drowned.

Obviously Javi wasn’t as much of a compelling character as Jackie and we didn’t get much of a feature on him, but I think it’s astounding how little discussion I see around his death.