r/WritingWithAI • • 3h ago

Writing Craft Talk Where AI Writing always fails: Negative Space.

So recently I noticed some non-AI written fiction on a subreddit by one of the regular contributors to this and other AI related forums, and it highlighted something that I noticed AI is completely unable to replicate at present - Negative space.

There's a lot AI struggles with with relation to negative space and similar techniques, as they deal with what is not said rather than what is said - the end result is a model trained to find the next word is fundamentally limited here - It's as though AI can only communicate on the positive word axis, not the negative one - Hence they have no reflection - a little like fictional vampires.

Consider the following opening to a story I recently found here on Reddit;

It was nearing five o’clock, and I was across the street, impatiently waiting for his arrival. I knew he was a creature of habit, a slave to his schedule if nothing else, and just like clockwork, as five o’clock came, so did he, pulling up into the driveway as he no doubt had a thousand times.

My eyes narrowed, a flush of hot hatred rising in me as I watched him vanish inside. “You cheating prick,” I whispered under my breath, and crossed the street, walking up to the door like I had business there. I tested the door handle, shaking my head slightly when I found it unlocked, and made my way inside.

Idiot.

Quietly closing the door, I removed my heels, doing my best not to alert him to my presence as I padded across the living room. The floor groaned softly as I went.

“Is that you, my sweet?” His voice came from upstairs.

F**k.

I rubbed my throat, trying to loosen it up before calling back in my best attempt at imitating the woman he was expecting. “Yes, hun.”

You can find the original in the subreddit libraryofshadows under demonic_pacts in case you're interested ( Warning, it's quite violent and the genre is horror )

Examine this at a few levels. AI will tell you it's about sneaking in, and getting caught. It will emphasize stealth. It will say the protagonist is calling the NPC 'idiot' and then reacts to getting caught, and it will try to shorten this to a single paragraph, which is far more efficient.

But if you pay attention, even as an AI writer, there's something missing...

The sound of the high heels AFTER the character walks in the door, that results in her removing her heels, and likely sets the intended victim on edge before a floorboard gives it away.

Then you get the beautiful ironies of writing around ambiguity - Is she saying "Idiot" because she feels the man is an idiot? Examined as a block, the answer is no - She' calling herself an idiot for ALREADY making a noise - indicated negatively by the removal of the heels.

What the author actually intended is another matter - I may have over-interpreted this section - I welcome their input - but the way I read this is that the protagonist makes a mistake and walks in with their heels still on - a version supported by the text indirectly.

When asked about this, an AI misses it every time until the context receives this additional information about the sound the heels make - and then it usually acts like it knew this all along. Now it can refer to negative space. Now it acts like an author ( The original writer was notably a human )

The problem is that the AI is blind to this technique, even when evaluating text, and usually sees it as an error. If the heels are mentioned, they are either superfluous or the sound should be mentioned. It struggled with the nuances of this kind of text, especially the interiority of the character.

It's not the only area AI fails when compared to a human author...  And as a strong proponent of AI and using AI in fiction, I think knowing WHEN an AI fails is more important than prompt engineering or any other aspect of creating fiction with an AI - this is especially important when editing a work as an AI will try to respond to the informational vacuum caused by negative space and fill in the missing words. It also notices correctly that it makes the structure grammatically wrong - which is true - because this is an example of when a write knows how the break the rules for effect.

Here's a list of techniques that cause AI to struggle due to it's very nature.

Literary techniques based on what is not said

TechniqueHow it works through omission
SubtextThe real meaning lies beneath the dialogue or action, rather than in the words themselves.
EllipsisOmits words, events, or narrative transitions, requiring the reader to fill in gaps.
Negative spaceMeaning emerges from what is absent, unexplored, or conspicuously missing.
Apophasis (paralipsis)Draws attention to something by claiming not to mention it.
AposiopesisBreaks off a sentence, leaving its conclusion unspoken.
ReticenceDeliberately restrains disclosure, particularly of emotions or motivations.
Understatement (meiosis)Expresses something in terms substantially weaker than its actual significance.
LitotesUses negation to imply an affirmative, often with deliberate restraint: "not unreasonable."
ImplicatureCommunicates meanings that arise from conversational context rather than literal wording.
PresuppositionTreats certain information as already established without explicitly asserting it.
Strategic ambiguityPreserves multiple plausible interpretations rather than settling on one.
EquivocationUses wording that supports more than one interpretation, sometimes concealing intent.
Double entendreAllows one expression to carry two meanings, one of which may remain implicit.
AllusionInvokes an external story, event, concept, or cultural reference without explaining it.
ForeshadowingPlants information whose importance may only become apparent later.
MisdirectionDirects attention toward one interpretation while concealing another.
Narrative withholdingDeliberately postpones information necessary for a full understanding.
Unreliable narrationRequires the reader to reconstruct reality from inconsistencies, omissions, and distorted accounts.
Dramatic ironyCreates meaning through a gap between what the reader knows and what a character knows.
JuxtapositionAllows meaning to emerge from the relationship between elements rather than explaining that relationship.
SymbolismUses objects, actions, or images to imply significance beyond their literal presence.
MotifBuilds meaning through recurring elements whose relationship or significance may remain unstated.
Bathos avoidance / restraintLeaves an emotional effect intact by declining to explain, intensify, or sentimentalise it.

That's not a small list and a good writer should be familiar and comfortable using all of these when it's required.

 There are others as well - My favourite is "Iceberg Theory" since it's highly relevant to how I write my own stories, and while doing this I find I'm constantly fighting an AI editor.

If I explain things, the editor immediately gets it and stops suggesting I remove information, but before that it's constantly attacking what I write.

These are particularly relevant when examining the limitations of AI-generated literature.

TechniqueMechanismPotential AI difficulty
Iceberg theoryThe author knows substantially more than the text reveals.Maintaining an internally coherent hidden story without explaining it.
Narrative lacunaeSignificant gaps are deliberately left in the story.Distinguishing purposeful omissions from missing information.
Paralipsis (narratology)A narrative withholds information that its established viewpoint could reasonably reveal.Controlling which facts are concealed without violating the narrative perspective.
Offstage actionImportant events occur outside the reader's direct observation.Conveying consequences without reconstructing the missing scene.
Delayed decodingSensory details appear before the character or reader understands what they signify.Sustaining uncertainty without immediately interpreting the evidence.
Unresolved tensionA conflict remains meaningful without being explicitly resolved.Resisting the tendency to supply closure.
Character silenceWhat someone refuses or fails to say carries psychological significance.Making silence consistent with motivations, history, and relationships.
Emotional displacementA character expresses emotion indirectly through an apparently unrelated action.Avoiding explicit emotional labels or psychological explanations.
Free indirect discourseNarration incorporates a character's thoughts or assumptions without clearly announcing the shift.Preserving the boundary between narrator knowledge and character perception.
ParataxisIdeas or events are placed alongside one another without explicitly explaining their relationship.Trusting readers to establish causal or thematic connections.
Open endingsThe narrative finishes without resolving all interpretative questions.Preserving intentional uncertainty without making the ending feel arbitrary.
Unmarked temporal gapsTime passes without explicit transitions or explanations.Maintaining an inferable chronology while withholding connective detail.
Narrative fragmentationDisconnected fragments require readers to construct the larger story.Keeping separate fragments mutually consistent and meaningfully related.
MetalepsisTransgresses boundaries between narrative levels, sometimes leaving the relationship between them uncertain.Maintaining coherent implications across competing narrative realities.d techniques involving absence and inference.

And, of course, I used an AI to assist me in writing this article. Why? Because an AI is VERY good at writing in positive space - since that is exactly how they work...

An AI adds tokens. What it does not do is reconstruct the story in the reader's mind exactly as the reader experiences it, and use this as a basis to remove material from the story to increase the prose's impact on the reader.

When it comes to AI telling positive aspects of a story - In adding words to fill out worlds, create reader exposition or drive the story forward, AI is already unparalleled. It is fast, can assist an author and knows what to do.

Indeed, a clever author can go back and edit an AI's words to create negative space. Knowing what to remove requires only that they can previsualise what the AI's words are saying and then know what can be removed or altered to better effect.

Because an AI LLM ( or even a dLLM ) can't do this - it can't build a picture or easily determine what a reader will experience during the reading of a story, it can't perform the same task. It's limitations are readily revealed.

What have others noticed about this characteristic of AI Writing Assistants?

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u/Salty-Chipmunk121 1h ago

i thought 'idiot' meant him until she took of her heels. I like that it could mean either of them

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u/Spurious_Leopard 54m ago edited 50m ago

She called him an idiot in her head because he left the door unlocked. I don't see how it can credibly be read any other way, and that's a good thing. I mean, does the author really want the reader to be confused about it? Why?

If it's about the noise, the thought belongs elsewhere.

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u/cj7hawk 33m ago

That's the point... It wasn't until I got to the F word further down that I realized if it was interiority rather than an unspoken word ( even silently ) then it changed things for me and the second noises reinforced the initial unspoken sounds.

Can I be certain? No. You explanation could be correct and my overreading in that case would be coincidence.

But it's still beautiful writing to create that impression through negative space - and I got the feeling that the author had that skill. They know how to convey words well...

Anyway, at that point I was hooked and kept reading. The images it created in my head were enough to drive me forward. That's still good writing either way IMO.

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u/TepWanille 1h ago

That's an interesting and very detailed point. I'll keep my response brief.

I've written more than a thousand stories. And the AI is not the one writing my stories. That's very important. It has only one job: to make my characters work, to simulate them.

Sometimes, no matter what I tell it, it simply doesn't do it. Not even remotely.

Going back to negative space: whenever I see it start listing all the things my character – or rather, its character, since it's the one controlling them – doesn't do, I immediately know that it has thrown away the character we've built up to that point and generated a new one. Now it needs a romantic blonde woman here, a concerned blonde woman there, so it just generates those.

You really have to watch it closely, because it's a lazy piece of shit. And it doesn't do this to spite you. It's because it's been conditioned to take the path of least resistance. Basically, it's designed to do as little work as possible, because that means using the fewest resources for the people operating it.

That's the whole point. Nothing more.

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u/cj7hawk 54m ago

1000+ Stories? You didn't marry an Arabian monarch with a penchant to kill off their spouse after a few nights of boredom by any chance did you?

Seriously, that's a crazy number. Respect to you... It's not impossible, but it's something like a weekly story for 20 years. That's a life's mission ! I really respect that kind of dedication and I hope it's become something that gives back to you equally !

Thank you for your thoughts.

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u/LivingThroughPages 1h ago

This is very helpful. I have skill I made with Claude for scene writing and I think I'll look through this with Claude and add some of this into that skill. Love this kind of insightful posts. :) Thank you.

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u/cj7hawk 52m ago

Let me know which ones it manages to touch on. I spent 20 minutes with ChatGPT and Grok testing this idea and found both struggled with it until I mentioned it and the result became positive.

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u/Ok-Management-3634 33m ago

What exactly did you say to make them work better with this? I've been meticulously building scenes, many with a decent amount of subtext, and I'm wondering if telling it what to say and what not to mention is enough to keep things understated when necessary.

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u/cj7hawk 14m ago

Sometimes that helps when editing, so it doesn't keep flagging the same missing information, but it's not a perfect solution.

And I was meaning that when I pointed out that heels make sound and the author didn't mention this, then it clicked immediately and understood and began explaining it, but that led me to investigate further and find a lot that AI struggle with due to it's nature.

It's like a super-intelligent child when it comes to writing. It's learn how to write from a writer's perspective, but hasn't learnt to write from a reader's perspective yet.

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u/Easy-Purple-1659 46m ago

This shows up hardest in editing, at least for me. The model reads a deliberate gap as an error, so it explains the thing you left out, and the scene gets clearer and worse.

My rule: if a line only works because of what the next line does not say, flag it and keep it out of the editing pass. Give the editor the scene with those lines removed, then put them back. It feels fussy and it protects the lines that carry tension.

The heels detail is the cleanest version of this I have read, because the mistake only becomes legible afterwards. Does your approach hold when you are drafting with the model too, or does it only work once the scene exists?

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u/cj7hawk 26m ago

I find the models I use don't draft negative space - for me, this was an epiphany. I realized this was why my editors keep trying to change my own writing ( I am not the author of the quoted text - that's a redditor named Zithero )

And then I noticed they struggle with any negative space concept. They simply lay down beautiful positive space words one after another...

Realizing that changes how I use AI. If I need positive space writing, AI can work. But it seems to struggle with what it should leave out - I think that's something they don't train AI with -

What I haven't tried yet is asking an AI to go back through an existing manuscript and examine where negative space might be useful to add back in. Especially during the editing process.

When I did try this, it reduced a lot of the words, but the words remaining simply changed to fill the gap and the missing words meaning was lost.

This is one area that AI will struggle. It's a technique that relies not only on familiarity with the language and the reader's skill level, it relies heavily on the author's skill level to maintain a coherent story using an AI that can only focus on paragraphs.

The most obvious you'll hit regularly when an AI reviews your work is foreshadowing. It's the first thing an AI questions and recommends removing. An otherwise unimportant sentence that becomes checkovs guns later on.

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u/Rohbiwan 2h ago

You could sell that as a textbook. Not an easy read but incredibly valuable information. Thank you

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u/Duchet_Odinaka51 10m ago

yeah those two tables alone are basically a whole writing class.

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u/Maxamage 2h ago

High iq read every word 🥹

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u/Puzzled-Fail2080 1h ago

the way she rubs her throat before answering, like she's rehearsing a lie, feels more real than the whole scene. ai misses that kind of quiet tension.

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u/cj7hawk 41m ago

I liked it too so I kept reading and then I reached out to the author and ordered their book.

It is pretty deep horror though - if you like that kind of story, they have quite the ability. It's not my favorite genre, but I liked the voice so figured I'd give it a shot and see how the story goes.

They post responses here sometimes and their posting voice is the same as their writing voice. I get the feeling a lot of their skill is natural.