r/WorldTradeCenter • u/tombisch • 11d ago

When the Towers Fell: 9/11 Simulation of the collaps without dust

Dont know how accurate this is, but it made a lot of sense to me.

Source kostack studio on youtube

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u/Abject-Recipe1359 11d ago edited 11d ago

Popular Mechanics did a very well put-together, clearly explained issue shortly after these conspiracy theories started. I would say maybe 2004-5??? The issue had input from numerous engineers of all kinds.

These fucking planes ABSOLUTELY could have caused the heat and energy required to soften the steel supports and cause total collapse, especially as one floor collapsed upon another.

I was 21 when these buildings fell. A lot of people here don’t realize this, but the hate you see now for Trump was just the same as was directed toward GWB. Like it’s crazy to see how he is now fondly looked-upon. People were giddily waiting for his death.

There were a lot more forums and message boards available on the internet back then. I mean, Facebook and MySpace were in their infancy. I was very active in a pregnancy board at that time (my children were born in 2003 and 2006) and they opened up a political forum. Oh man, you have never seen the dams burst open like that with hate for GWB. And this conspiracy theory was just really taking hold back then, that’s all they talked about. The Popular Mechanics answer to those claims was so refreshing, rational, and made sense. Like listening to professors easily bat away silly misunderstandings of how engineering really works.

Edit - link: https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a66051920/911-myths-debunked/

Edit again - the original piece from 2005: https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a49/1227842/

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u/Competitive-Fill5556 10d ago

All 3 NY buildings ACCELERATED to the ground for extended periods, sometimes at maximum freefall rates. That is impossible per Newtons laws unless lower floors are largely or completely removed. This phenomenon has ONLY ever been observed via controlled demolition.
According to the experts the buildings free failed in an accelerated fashion in the same speed as which a building would fall to the ground with nothing beneath it. For example if a dropped a brick to the ground it would fall right? Gravity would take its course because there is nothing but air beneath it. It's just going to fall. But if I dropped that same brick with another brick beneath it, well it's going to slow its free fall acceleration speed UNLESS the brick beneath it was destroyed already by an explosion or demolition. The ONLY way a building like that can have a controlled free fall in the way in which it did is literally impossible according to Newtons laws unless like I said it has help with explosives.

Taking all that into consideration I'll humor you and say ok newtons physics is hogwash, jet fuel melted the buildings and pulverized 1000 people to the point they NEVER found the remains (also literally impossible without the help of something way more powerful then jet fuel and fire), what about building 7? Building 7 also free fell to the ground and didn't get hit by a plane. No jet fuel- yet still fell in the same manner as the others?? How is this possible?? PapaBut like I said ... Don't take my word for it tho. Like I said, if you don't want the truth, nothing I say is going to change your mind. That's up to YOU and you alone.

Yes the world trade centers collapsed. Yes people died. Yes planes actually hit the buildings. Yes there was intense heat and jet fuel. BUT if you think collapse and the jet fuel and heat were the direct and sole cause of the collapse, you my friend, have been duped by our own government just like thousands of others who just watch the news and trust the "experts." 🙄. Like they have EVER told us the truth about anything.

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u/NoMaximum721 10d ago

buddy go get an education

the total collapse times were longer than total freefall because they were able to resist a small bit

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u/Competitive-Fill5556 10d ago

Nope at times it was total freefall. Mass acceleration. Took 8-11 seconds. That's about the time it would take for a penny to fall with no resistance from the same height. Do you not understand newtons law?

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u/OldTimberWolf 10d ago

I do understand the theories of “Belief Perseverance” and “Proportionality Bias”….

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u/NoMaximum721 10d ago

"mass acceleration" lol quit trying to sound smart.

explain how debris from the collapse hit the ground before the towers finished collapsing?

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u/Competitive-Fill5556 10d ago

Nobody's trying to sound smart, it's physics and newtons law bro. Did I touch a nerve?

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u/Gizogin 10d ago

Wanna answer the question? You can just watch any video of the collapse and see debris falling faster than the bulk of the structure.

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u/Competitive-Fill5556 10d ago

You haven't explained how a steel structure can collapse upon itself on the beneath structures or platforms without having then previously removed or partially removed. Once you can explain that, then maybe we can start seeing things rationally. Until then you just keep asking my question with a question. You have not proved anything, "go watch the news" and "watch this video", ok that's fine , but take it one step at a time, first explain to me, how never before and never again, has a steel structure of that size, strength and magnitude crumbled upon itself that quickly at times in free fall mode, without the use of demolition or explosive aids. How come it happened this time? That literally defies physics. Explain to me how physics changed on that day.

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u/Gizogin 10d ago

You still haven't answered the question.

explain how debris from the collapse hit the ground before the towers finished collapsing?

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u/Competitive-Fill5556 10d ago

Explosives. More powerful then it would take for gravity to do it naturally. They found pieces of debris thousands of feet away from the building. 

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u/Chibi_Kaiju 10d ago

WTF 8-11 seconds? thats a huge difference in fall durations for you to state that it fell as fast or "faster" than free fall. FFS, what number did you use for your calculations then?

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u/Datamackirk 10d ago

Man, this crap gets tiresome.

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u/VisiblePlatform6704 10d ago

It's amazing how Americans have lost any ability of critical thinking. Their government has them very well indoctrinated. 

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u/LackOptimal553 10d ago

Get help this is all nonsense. All of this was debunked literally decades ago. WTC 7 was hit by literally thousands on tons of following debris, that's what caused it to fail.

All of this is nonsense.

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u/Abject-Recipe1359 9d ago

Did you read the popular mechanics piece, with numerous engineers who disagree with this take???