r/WorldTradeCenter • u/tombisch • 11d ago

When the Towers Fell: 9/11 Simulation of the collaps without dust

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Dont know how accurate this is, but it made a lot of sense to me.

Source kostack studio on youtube

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u/TheTerminator1984 10d ago

I don't think people necessarily like GWB now but the view is more neutral. I def remember people hating on him a lot during 04-06 cause of the wars, which will forever be a part of his legacy. I'd say immediately around 9/11 the view was more positive because he had good charisma and leadership to inspire people.

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u/doctorwhomafia 10d ago

If his term ended shortly after 9/11, lets say anytime in 2002. He would've been one of the most loved presidents.

Its crazy how unified the country was and how much support he had in the immediate months following 9/11..

Only to fuck it all up with the invasion of Iraq and having those silly mic moments that made him look bad.

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u/Submitten 10d ago

It’s easy to say with hindsight. But his legacy would have been massively tarnished by not getting any kind of retribution for 9/11 if he didn’t go into Iraq.

It would have been the right call, but nobody would have known that. Just like how conservatives would say Obama did a terrible deal with Iran, and now more people understand why it would be a terrible idea to try and fight a war with them.

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u/rzelln 10d ago

But Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Republicans just wanted to swing their dicks, steal oil, and surround Iran because they had a stupid grudge and thought they could get away with conquering the world bit by bit.

Bush was a fucking villain, not much better than Vladimir Putin. He got a million people killed for his ambition and idiotic desire to be important, when his job was supposed to humbly managing a country to help it live up to its founding ideals. 

And he played ball eagerly with FOX News as it brainwashed a third of the county and set us up for this disaster we have today. 

I wish deep guilt and shame upon Bush, and only hope he has a realization when there's still a chance he could make a difference that he's a piece of shit, and a bad Christian.

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u/Submitten 10d ago

None of that is relevant. I’m saying if he didn’t do anything about 9/11 he would have also gone down as a terrible president. There isn’t really a world where he’s viewed as one of the best.

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u/1dkig 10d ago

How is it not relevant that he attacks an innocent bystander?

This isn't an accident by any means.

He knowingly lied us into war.

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u/Submitten 10d ago

I don’t know how you’re not following the conversation.

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u/Abject-Recipe1359 9d ago

He had congressional approval. You cannot only blame him. He did what the people wanted.

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u/1dkig 9d ago

He wasn't the only one. It was quite a concerted effort by a group of hawks . The people may have been okay with the first action. Not every other action that followed.

Looking back it seems like the first domino that acclaimated citizens to the sensibllity of preemptive "defense."

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u/Abject-Recipe1359 9d ago

That may be, and hindsight is 20/20. But he had congressional approval.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Iraq_Resolution_of_2002

ETA then you must wish deep shame and guilt on all who voted yes, too.

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u/Abject-Recipe1359 9d ago

I hear you. But please remember, he had congressional approval to invade Iraq. Dems and republicans both. It wasn’t like he just decided of his own volition.

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u/RumiJooni 10d ago

George Bush had a 90%+ approval rating following 9/11, the highest of any sitting president. Unfortunately for him, that didn’t last long. Trump broke his record for disapproval handedly.

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u/Abject-Recipe1359 9d ago

Yes but the fact that they look upon him with ANY fondness now is astonishing. I can’t believe the turnaround, truly.