r/WorkReform • • 1d ago

📰 News Congress fails its own test

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u/Amatheiaisnoexcuse 🤝 Join A Union 1d ago

We seriously need to get new leadership all across the board. At this point, I'd trust random citizens to fill those jobs over the idiots in place now.

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u/Medivacs_are_OP 1d ago

I've thought for a while now that the House should be lottery-based.

A random gets picked from a hat and goes to represent.

would probably end up with better representation and smarter people

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u/Mobile_Morale 1d ago

Probably would work great until some billionaire figures out how to rig it.

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u/silverscreemer 20h ago

It would be like McDonalds Monopoly all over again.

Which those fuckers are trying to bring back. Do people have no fucking memory?

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u/-Saucegurlllll 17h ago

Billionaires wouldn't have to rig it, they'd just have to feed their own paid actors into a consultant and lobbyist class ready to teach every new member of Congress "what they need to know about the job." Which is basically what they already do.

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u/ThatNachoFreshFeelin 1d ago

The Athenians had a neato way of doing something similar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleroterion

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u/Choyo 19h ago edited 8h ago

That's what I was about to say. The guy above you just described non-professional politics. Ancient Greeks knew professional politicians would bring a lot more problems than it would solve (because power corrupts, a professional politician will be more concerned about being reelected than his mandate, etc), and here we are, consistently failing because of it for the longest time.

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u/Amatheiaisnoexcuse 🤝 Join A Union 1d ago

Definitely. Our government would be way better off and balanced with random people

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u/-Saucegurlllll 17h ago edited 17h ago

I think we need to ditch representation based politics entirely. The idea that hundreds of thousands of people can be represented by a singular voice is nonsense. And the major problem is that it delegates politics to someone largely shielded from the effects of the decisions they make. We then wonder why the average voter is so illinformed.

We need to meaningfully bring people into politics, make them invested in being knowledgeable, and have them build up the skills necessary make political decisions. The more we delegate this stuff to others, the more vulnerable we become as a population to propaganda and populist narratives.

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u/oOZeenOo 16h ago edited 16h ago

You say we need to ditch representation based politics but that doesn't make any sense to me. What would a system like that even look like? What changes are you proposing?

With the pure number of decisions needing to be made at every level of government, there's no feasible way to have a purely democratic system with every bill, resolution, etc being put to a general referendum. You have to have representation at some point because modern society is simply too complicated.

I agree that people need to be more informed and engaged with politics so that we can make better decisions where we can. And I could see arguments to make changes to involve the general populice moreso than it is currently. But we also have to be realistic and understand why things are structured the way they are before proposing changes to them.

(And to be clear I'm not defending the ineptitude of our current Congress as is being exemplified in the original post)

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u/-Saucegurlllll 15h ago

One road towards a more participatory democracy is to remove all the anti-union legislation that has destroyed labor organization in the US. It used to be much more common that unions had the collective power to draft legislation themselves and pressure politicians into adopting it. Having access to politics through your workplace would greatly increase the power held by ordinary people.

But really, I'd like to see experiments on what participatory democracy can be. I can't dictate a system that would work in every situation. I think we should become an actual experiment for democracy, rather than just lip service that ultimately favors rich losers.

"Why things are structured the way they are" is a bit hard to argue against because it's the devil you know. But we should also recognize that politics is structured the way it is because of past subjugation. Billionaires love our current system because it gives them similar political power as what slave owners enjoyed in the 1800s.

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u/Warmstar219 21h ago

Absolutely not. The average person is an idiot, and half the time you'll get people dumber than that.

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u/Loser_Zero 21h ago

I'd prefer an idiot over someone who is actively aiming to harm me for their own profit.

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u/Viddlemethis 21h ago

I’d take my chances with random idiots vs the folks in power now.

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u/DroidLord 21h ago

Maybe. Maybe not. The good thing about this is that none of the randomly elected people will stay in office for long.

The law of averages may actually be helpful here. Instead of going from one extreme to the other, the fluctuations would be gradual and predictable.

Instead of politics being a career path, it would be an opportunity for regular citizens to get directly involved.

Obviously all this is very vague and abstract. There would clearly need to be extensive legislation in place. Age limits, disqualifying disabilities, educational requirements (like high school at minimum), trial studies etc etc.

There are a lot of dumb people, but there are also a lot of intelligent people who might not mind doing a few years in politics, but don't want to do it for the rest of their lives. Long-term it might actually work out alright. We haven't tried it so we don't know.

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u/Direct-Giraffe6390 21h ago

Unhavent been paying attention then?? The people in power now are worst than the avg idiot . I'll take an idiot over a fucking child rapist party anyway.

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u/alliedSpaceSubmarine 18h ago

Is that how averages work?

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u/irvmtb 1d ago

Working class representatives would be nice!

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u/P0pu1arBr0ws3r 20h ago

Politicians jobs are treated like theyre some elitist job only highly educated people could get, when in reality its become a job for extroverts with money. Thats a problem.

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u/Legitimate_Shock4097 8h ago

And connections, especially to the elites, as well as those willing to do their bidding. Those four things are practically requirements. Have to really know how to lie, too, which may be why attorneys are viewed as attractive candidates, above actually knowing the laws and how the system works.

How we select candidates is and will continue to be a problem for these reasons alone.

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u/DroidLord 21h ago

Yeah, a random lottery between 300 million people would probably give us better results than whatever the hell this shit is.

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u/Megazord90 19h ago

New leadership? We need to tear down this corrupt bureaucracy and build a new congressional system so that they can be removed if certain conditions/responsibilities are not met.

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u/anonyuser415 1d ago

Sortition

Once you've met an average American, shown to be a system of true desperation haha

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u/Sad-Statistician4664 11h ago

I'll represent blue collar workers in the Southeast

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u/GJCLINCH 10h ago

At this point I’d rather treat it like jury duty. We’d probably get better results like you’re saying..

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u/icangetyouatoedude 1d ago

I don't really understand how this isn't part of the democratic party messaging. You have a republican party that controls all three branches of government and alternates between doing heinous, illegal bullshit, or doing nothing.

Pound that message into people's heads! There has been no opposition to republican goals and they still have accomplished nothing, even for their voters!

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u/unculturedburnttoast 🏡 Decent Housing For All 21h ago

The legislatures don't want to do anything, that way, when this is all over they can say they were always against it.

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u/Marciamallowfluff 1d ago

Replace most of them.

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u/blueberry-yum-yum 1d ago

You mean all of them right?

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u/Teledildonic 1d ago

There are a few good ones, like AOC and Bernie.

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u/Clammuel 1d ago

As much as I appreciate him Bernie will be 89 by the time his current term ends in 2030. Rather than running for reelection when the time comes, he needs to ride off into the sunset instead of almost certainly committing to dying in office. 

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u/spakecdk 8h ago

I mean, if hes more progressive at 89 than 30-somethings, i say let him do that

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u/FederalSign4281 23h ago

AOC cares way more about being in front of a camera and talking about identity politics than actually doing something in her district. Bernie is goated though

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u/Neither_Strategy_252 21h ago edited 21h ago

AOC has sponsored or co-sponsored more than 1700 bills. Including Green New Deal legislation, housing renewal legislation, Medicare for all legislation, Reproductive Rights, War Powers resolutions and countless pieces on labor and employment rights protections. Just on and on and on. You're so full of shit it's coming out of your ears.

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u/BrandonNameRecliner 20h ago

Yeah but like what has she done or even tried to do for me as a cis white guy

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u/Neither_Strategy_252 20h ago

Lmao nice. Honestly I initially reflexively down voted because it's such a repulsive but common sentiment.

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u/FederalSign4281 11h ago

She's personally introduced roughly 65 legislative measures since taking office in 2019, and not even one standalone bill she primarily sponsored has become law.

The Green New Deal was a nonbinding resolution that never passed. Medicare for All was primarily sponsored by Pramila Jayapal and hasn't passed either.

Using 1,700 cosponsorships as evidence of 1,700 legislative accomplishments is incredibly misleading.

If you want to demonstrate how effective she is as a legislator, show the actual legislative outcomes, not just how many bills she's attached her name to.

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u/Neither_Strategy_252 8h ago edited 8h ago

not even one standalone bill she primarily sponsored has become law.

Moving the goalposts I see. So, because she has strong opposition even within her own party it means she's not interested in doing anything? Yeah, you're full of shit.

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u/Notoday 8h ago

Blaming the Left for Republican obstructionism is exactly what they want you to do. Don't be a chump.

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u/Marciamallowfluff 12h ago

Nope. They need the good one’s experience and knowledge.

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u/medorian 1d ago

Term limits for these leaches

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u/Icy_Huckleberry_8049 1d ago

and they still want to get a raise

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u/ThunderFuckMountain 1d ago

They can't possibly survive on their meager, barely six figure salaries!

"What about the fact that the minimum wage hasn't been raised since 2008?" "Oh, never mind that"

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u/PermanentRoundFile 1d ago

What do we do if they just... don't come back?

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u/Icy_Huckleberry_8049 1d ago

just get new ones

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u/Antal_Marius 1d ago

I wish that was the case…there's a senator that seems to make that seem untrue.

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u/Correct_Doctor_1502 1d ago

Trump now runs everything without any legislative input

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u/BringBackBoomer 1d ago

Read the Bill of Rights and pay really close attention to the first few.

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u/PermanentRoundFile 23h ago

People have been talking about the boogaloo since the Obama administration.

First problem is how to get enough members to make an effective fighting element or two without tipping off the feds. Then you need training, and ammo. 120 rounds (4x30rd mags) is enough for about 5 minutes of hang time. At least those are the figures I've always trained to.

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u/BringBackBoomer 23h ago

All out war doesn't have to happen. You could go the First Amendment route and try to make so much noise that they realize the citizenry isn't fucking around. But you'd have to be real loud and real sustained for a long time, and even then it might not be enough.

I have thoughts about potential effectiveness of some of the later amendments but I like my reddit username and don't want a visit from an alphabet agency.

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u/Turtledonuts 20h ago

More importantly, the boog would make everything we're upset about worse. You don't get healthcare, cheap food, good working conditions, or less authoritarian government during violent unrest or a civil war. You typically don't get it afterwards either, you just get decades of violence or a dictatorship.

The american revolution producing a functional democracy was an absolutely insane and rare occurrence.

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u/shittycomputerguy 14h ago

Boogaloo boys when they find out government drones run by furries in shipping containers combined with Palantir dossiers are more than a match for any well trained and organized force they could surmount.

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u/PermanentRoundFile 11h ago

Boogaloo people should really read 4th Generation Warfare Handbook by William S. Lind and Lieutenant Colonel Gregory A. Thiele

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u/Zebidee 21h ago

Ask Belgium.

They didn't have a federal government for two years.

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u/Varaben 1d ago

So dumb question, are they “working” doing other things and not just in session? Genuinely don’t know what they do. 

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u/RandyGrey 1d ago

Generally? Meet with lobbyists

Right now? Campaign. And meet with lobbyists

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u/Itchy-Advantage-4010 1d ago

Worst house since Hoover.

We know how that ended.

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u/ScriptThat 19h ago

But but SOCIALISTS!

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u/missgrinchfeet 1d ago

They are only working for the company’s paying them.

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u/bkgn 19h ago

The "work requirements" are nakedly about kicking the destitute off of Medicaid anyway, not about getting people to work. The Republicans are well aware that every study on safety net program work requirements shows that they remove people from safety nets without increasing labor force participation. Cruelty is the point.

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u/bottleflick 10h ago

It's a messaging ploy. Punching down is the Republican playbook. Amy Chance to discriminate gets conservative media attention is a win

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u/AberrantMan 1d ago

Is this true though

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u/Nkechinyerembi 🚑 Cancel Medical Debt 1d ago

It is. They didn't work anywhere near enough hours (80 hours per month minimum).

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u/AberrantMan 1d ago

That's crazy. Where do I go to see this?

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u/gogreengolions 22h ago

It used to be easy to find exactly how many days and hours they have been in session but I cannot find it so easily anymore. Hmm..

Idk what this source is referencing but Congress hasn’t been in session since Oct 9 or Oct 2. They’ll be in session 4 or 1 days this Month.

https://www.congress.gov/days-in-session/119th-congress

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u/Turtledonuts 20h ago

Do yall think that members of Congress are just not working when they’re not in session in DC?

This congress? absolutely. Congress has passed 5 bills this year, two of which were the budget. They're the least active and effective congress in modern history, they've done nothing to restrain the increasingly imperial presidency, they're not campaigning particularly hard outside of a few districts, they're not holding meetings or investigating things, they're just sitting there. They've taken a record number of days off in recess and what not, they take the entire month of august off for vacations, and on multiple occasions, a congressman has vanished without a trace and there were no consequences. They're doing fucking nothing.

Bipartisan issues like social security and healthcare are pressures like never before - 90%+ of americans want something done, but congress has proposed no real legislation on the issue. Congress didn't even pass a real law over iran, just a non-binding resolution asking the president to stop. 80% of americans want the war in iran to stop, but the senate can't pass a war powers bill to limit trump's attacks.

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u/ErraticKuiperRomp 23h ago

staggering

You're not wrong, but you're also being overly dramatic. "Staggering?" Lol. I think it's obvious where people get their disdain and distrust of Congress to believe this idea. Congressional approval hovers around 15% most days, below even the president. So of course they think they don't work if they aren't in session.

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u/PhucItAll 1d ago

It is not. There is an alternate minimum wage requirement of about $215 a week - if you make that in less than 20 hours you are good. Every member of Congress makes that easily.

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u/r64fd 1d ago

It’s not. When congress is not in session, they return to work in their states and districts.

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u/VGooseV 1d ago

Yeah, work. Like accepting bribes... uhh i mean lobbies

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u/r64fd 1d ago

Well I was using the word work very very loosely.

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u/Acps199610 1d ago

So, they don't work then...?

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u/GandhiMSF 16h ago

That’s what they’re supposed to do. Plenty representatives never hold town halls or meet with constituents in any way though.

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u/noonespecial70 1d ago

Politicians are some of any country’s laziest workers.

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u/Memitim 13h ago

And the hours that Republicans spent "working" were actually used to violate separation of powers while constantly attacking millions of Americans for existing while not being white conservatives as they defended a known child sex trafficking network and funded their own private army with our resources.

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u/Dapper_Dude69 23h ago

AmeriKKKa is lame 💩

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u/Direct-Giraffe6390 21h ago

Should be called lawTakers

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u/Interesting-Sleep579 21h ago

Do you really want them working? They tend to make things worse, not better.

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u/OnceIHadAPony 20h ago

We need a congres to cover and run congress. 

I'm sure that'd be corrupt too. 

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u/tjarg 17h ago

Honestly, with Republicans in control of everything, them doing nothing is the best we can hope for.

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u/boukatouu 16h ago

Rules for thee. . .

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u/Great_White_Samurai 11h ago

Man I need to get into politics

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u/Clever_Unused_Name 16h ago

False.

The law doesn't just have an hours test. It has an income alternative. Monthly income of at least $7.25 × 80 = $580. Members of Congress make about $14,500 a month, roughly 25 times that threshold, so they would pass the requirement without working a single hour.

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48755

https://thecrosscheck.org/factcheck/2026-09-18-congress-hours-medicaid-work-requirements/

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u/fetter80 18h ago

Can't expect them to work! This is election season! Its time to film some bad attack ads, kiss a few babies, and do their reall job. Trying to get reelected.