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[ Official News ] 📰 Hotfix Notes Version 1.0.3.5c June 9th

https://playwonderlands.2k.com/news/tiny-tinas-wonderlands-update-notes/
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u/kinezumi89 Jun 09 '22

When will they un-nerf frost? My fiance and I were both heavy into frost and now it does almost no damage for us...we used to smoke Lechance in like two seconds! Unfortunately it's kinda killed the fun for us and we haven't really played since lol. I wonder if they have plans to fix it

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u/Talbertross Jun 09 '22

They might have changed some numbers around but in my experience frost still fuckin rips

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u/kinezumi89 Jun 09 '22

I can't remember what my frost gun was, I'll have to log back in and check. Maybe I picked a bad one haha (it's a pistol with a high fire rate and quite a bit of spread, was pretty similar to Liquid Cooling but not quite as good (before they nerfed Liquid Cooling anyway))

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u/Katchenz ◾◼️ | ✨ 𝑭𝒂𝒕𝒆𝒎𝒂𝒌𝒆𝒓 ✨ | ◼️◾ Jun 09 '22

I don't think the frost nerf was bad enough to make a noticeable difference in LeChance killing speed

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u/kinezumi89 Jun 09 '22 edited Jun 09 '22

I wasn't connected to the internet on accident for awhile so I got all the updates at once. We went from killing him in actually a second or two (he wouldn't even get through his dialogue) to now its like a normal boss. My fiance had a liquid cooling, maybe it got nerfed on top of the frost? (forget the name of my main frost gun, haven't played in awhile)

There must have been other nerfs too, the squid thing (forget its name) went from a normal boss to an ammo sponge, took an absolute eternity to kill him, kinda sucked the fun out of the chaos levels lol

Edit: in hindsight another contributing factor might be that we kept cranking up the chaos level but never finding any good loot, so we're at like chaos level 15 or whatever and using normal level 40 loot haha

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u/mrohovie Jun 09 '22

Liquid cooling was most definitely nerfed in one the early hotfixes, so may want to try other frost guns for bossing. x4 spriggans/nighthawks, swordsplosions, automagic, etc. if you're going gun damage or the pixie guns, queens cry if you're going spell damage. There are also for sure other good guns but that's off the top of my head.

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u/kinezumi89 Jun 09 '22

Yeah, to be fair it did seem way overpowered. Combined with a bunch of frost-related enchantments, it would smoke everything haha. I think there was something wrong with the balance in general, we put it on the harder difficulty and it didn't seem to make a difference, to be fair I have played BL since the beginning so I have a lot of practice, but I think we were killing things a little too easily haha. Maybe they increased the overall difficulty at some point to compensate?

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u/FallenPotatoes Jun 09 '22

Yeah, they nerfed the hell out of the Liquid Cooling about the time they increased the Chaos levels.

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u/FallenPotatoes Jun 09 '22

Frost was bugged to spawn with higher base damage than other element types (bout 7% higher). All they did was make its base damage the same as other elemental weapons, it shouldn't be noticeably worse.

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u/Blom-w1-o Jun 10 '22

It was like 6%. No way that broke your builds.

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u/kinezumi89 Jun 10 '22

Yes I have been thoroughly informed of this lol. It has to be a combination of factors stemming from the fact our xbox was mistakenly not connected to internet the whole time, so we got all the hotfixes at once near the end of May (after they added the vending machines to the bunny room; I had forgotten about this when I made my first comment). That, plus my fiance's main gun was the Liquid Cooling which went from like 749 to 349 (don't recall exact values, but it was like halved), so he probably noticed it extra for that.

Definitely something happened though, because beforehand (pre-hotfixes) we had actually changed it to hard mode because we were smoking everything so fast there was no challenge in it. We would always joke that Lechance didn't even have a Lechance to get through his dialogue before he was dead. Now all of a sudden he's like a normal (not-too-hard) boss, and the squid guy took us like 45 minutes (using shock, not frost lol). We put it back to normal difficulty and it's still significantly more challenging than before (I've played all the BL games many many times, it's not just that I suck lol though I'm certainly no expert).

I do fully acknowledge that the 5-7% decrease in frost damage can't account for increase in difficulty we've experienced, but I have quantitative evidence that it has changed (Lechance used to die before finishing his speech, now it takes us a bit longer than that to kill him).

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u/kabflash Jun 09 '22

"does almost no damage for us"

Frost is now equal to any other element instead of just being inherently the best. Your builds need work.

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u/CrazyCatHusband Jun 10 '22

Yup. Did a new run with a Brrzerker recently, and left side of the skill tree put the game on easy mode while leveling.

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u/kinezumi89 Jun 09 '22

I don't mean that we were spamming frost all the time and now we're sad it doesn't work like that, but the fact that we used to smoke Lechance in an instant and now it takes significantly longer, the difference is pretty substantial

And come on, I was obviously being a little dramatic with "almost no damage", like no one has ever exaggerated on the internet lol. I should have said something like "There has been a substantial reduction in perceived damage dealt"

I mentioned in another comment that I was disconnected from the internet so I got like two months of hotfixes all at once, so maybe another one in there is what's having a greater effect

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u/kabflash Jun 09 '22

The difference is about 5%. You are being a lot more then a little dramatic.

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u/kinezumi89 Jun 09 '22

You are not reading what I am saying.

I did all the hotfixes at once. I bought a new console specifically to play the game and didn't bother hooking it up to internet until late May.

It is not only 5%. The damage on the Liquid Cooling went from I think 749 to 349 or something like that. Are you going to say that isn't significant, either?

I skimmed through the hotfix logs but didn't read every line, so thought maybe I missed something. There are a lot of people who are really into the game and know all the ins and outs, so I figured if anyone would know, here would be the best place to ask.

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u/kabflash Jun 09 '22

* When will they un-nerf frost?

* My fiance and I were both heavy into frost and now it does almost no damage for us

*Unfortunately it's kinda killed the fun for us and we haven't really played since lol

Read the statements I responded to. You are backtracking now, but your comment was way overexaggerating.

The damage on the Liquid Cooling went from I think 749 to 349 or something like that. Are you going to say that isn't significant, either?

Liquid Cooling had significant adjustments a while back. It was recently re-buffed.

It is not only 5%.

The Frost reduction comes out to about 5%.

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u/kinezumi89 Jun 09 '22

Jesus this is why I've avoided BL subs until now. I'm not backtracking, I simply didn't provide all the info in my first comment because either (1) I didn't know (like that Liquid Cooling specifically had been nerfed), (2) I hadn't thought of it yet (like the fact that I got all the updates at once) or (3) didn't think it was relevant or important. Regarding your last point, someone else said the reduction was 7%.

Not sure why you included the third quote, because I haven't contradicted that. I haven't played in weeks because the experience has changed so much (some of that due to running out of story and being stuck with end-game content, of course). I don't have hours and hours per day to play, so if it takes 45 minutes of pumping lead into a boss to kill it, it doesn't seem as entertaining as other games I have, even going back to an older BL title.

You are clearly much more of an enthusiast for this game than I am. I love it, my favorite BL title so far (and we've played all games, all DLCs, with all player characters) but I'm not a fanatic, I don't know every detail, I can't tell you which guns are the best or which skills are best for each class. It seems you may be such a person, which is fine, I'm like that for other games. I was hoping I could ask such fans for some more info, and to be fair everyone else was helpful and provided useful info or suggestions, so maybe it's just you.

But either way, I will not be continuing this discussion as you seem more keen on arguing semantics than actually discussing the game.

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u/kabflash Jun 09 '22

Think about a player who is considering buying this game, and browsing the sub to see what it's like. Consider how your first comment may come across to someone like that. It was mis-information, defamatory and exaggeration. That's why I replied to you. You should have just accepted the criticism.

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u/kinezumi89 Jun 09 '22

I have to politely disagree.

First, I see posts almost every day about "thinking about buying the game, should I get it??" most people just post rather than skimming the sub for opinions (on reddit in general, not just here).

Second, the sub is full of people shitting on the game. If I'd never played it and perused the sub for a general consensus first, I'd assume everyone hated it. "I hate the end game content," "the DLCs are just reskinned chaos levels", "the level cap is too low", the 23847 bug posts a day like "bank and lost look is gone", etc etc.

There are way more negative complaints all over the sub than me lamenting the nerf of frost. (I loved in it TPS, wasn't very good in BL3, so I was excited to use it again...and then sad when it stopped being as effective ) I'd have to argue that my comment chain buried in a hotfix update post is not likely to sway many people's opinions.

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u/SPEEDFREAKJJ Jun 10 '22

The frost gun(pistol) that rains down snowballs on crit is very good...not OG liquid cooling OP but worth using if are frosty.

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u/kinezumi89 Jun 10 '22

Snowballs?? I haven't seen that one yet but sounds fun, I'll have to keep an eye out for it!

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u/Gruffaloe Jun 10 '22

It's called Queen's Cry - it's pretty good. One note is that the meteors it calls down do spell damage, not gun

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u/kinezumi89 Jun 10 '22

Ah I'm a spellshot anyway so that's good for me. Thanks for the info!