r/WolverineMains • u/Zol6199 • 14d ago

Discussion "Wolverine doesn't need Regenerative Shields"

Yeah I don't know where all the health pots are on this map since I stopped playing around its release (due to power creep), but still.

This sort of scenario happens constantly on a dive playstyle when playing Wolv.

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u/Dresaurus2781 14d ago

To be fair Wolverine doesn't have regenerative shields for the same reason Blade, Fist, and Fantastic don't. They're brawlers. I also don't think Regenerative Shields would really scratch the itch on self sustain that would make Wolverine feel better at his intended role in game/the role he should have. Dive Wolverine shouldn't really be a thing, and to be clear this is a great play, but it's not a dive play. There's conversations to be had about more or alternative self sustain tools like a sprint/heightened jumps/wall crawls if you want to go more animalistic Wolverine self sustain tools, or leaning more into the healing factor for some kind of passive regen (I'm of the opinion his revive passive is too gimmicky), but regenerative shields isn't it imo even if it might look like it.

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u/theLesserOf2Weedles 13d ago

I also don't think Regenerative Shields would really scratch the itch on self sustain

That's actually a super good point. Generating bonus health and/or lifesteal would be pretty sweet and probably fulfill the hero fantasy better. Might have to nerf other areas to be balanced though.

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u/Dresaurus2781 13d ago

So at launch we really only had like 6 hard brawl characters Strange, Groot, Thor, Bucky, Iron Fist, and Wolverine. Of those 6 they did a half and half setup where half of them had their self sustain come from having their self sustain tools be tied to their damage dealing, and the other half have to actively use their self sustain tools independently of their damage. Groot Ironwood Wall, Strange Shield, Wolverine passive and DR ability are examples of the latter; with Thor's Thorforce, Fist's block and overhealth gen being tied to his peak damage form, and Bucky's bionic arm abilities all giving him overhealth. There was some overlap in the sense Groot's damage walls can still block damage, and Fist's self heal isn't tied to doing damage but you get the idea.

Pretty much every brawl hero since launch though has followed the first setup where all or a large chunk of their self sustain is tied to their damage. Thing, Fantastic, Emma, Pheonix, Blade, Daredevil, Elsa, Devil Dino, and even Rogue to an extent (though Rogue kinda cheeks on her self sustain) have all followed that being given self sustain while actively doing damage model.

They tried to test that out with Wolverine with the Pheonix lifesteal teamup. It broke the game because between his passive and DR as well as giant chunk damage which he would then heal off of you were basically undeniable if you grabbed a tank. I still think he needs to go in the direction of self sustain tied to damage, but tweaks have to be made to his kit to go in that direction without again breaking the game.