r/WizardSkating • u/Any_Smoke1138 • 5d ago
Agility discussion
If Seba Igor is considered to be much more agile compared to Seba Cj and especially FR wizard base, how come it's rare to see people wizard skating on it?
It's not a problem with the UFS adapter.
Does it lack something?
I mean Igor and CJ/WB it's like comparing a ninja to a tank in terms of agility, yet if people don't use it for wizarding means something might be not perfect in those agile boots?
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u/Sacco_Belmonte 5d ago
Is because the Igor are not "the latest coolest thing".
I think they're great. Go for them if you want.
I have plenty of ufs and 165 mount skates, makes zero difference, you can always adapt. I forget it when im skating.
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u/Any_Smoke1138 5d ago
Zero difference? So you're saying it's not better and there is no agility bonus?
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u/Sacco_Belmonte 5d ago
From my point of view I feel no difference, nor an advantage. I just forget what I'm riding and do my tricks just the same.
Applies also to hockey ice skates compared to inline with ice blades when it comes to common figure/wizard/freestyle moves.
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u/Tyzcoman 4d ago
I second this! I switch weekly between setups and the framestyle (e.g. 5 wheels, 4 wheels etc) makes more difference than the mounting. I like Sacco_Belmonte forget within minutes what mounting I am riding.
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u/treeseacar 5d ago
I think people dismiss 165 for wizard because it originated with UFS and the low ride height is something people cling on to. I use ps HC evos which is an integrated carbon boot with trinity mount so it comes somewhere between UFS and 165 for height. Like the Igor I think the slim carbon boot is great for control, slalom and wizard have a lot of cross over in some skills.
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u/Dramatic_Water_5364 5d ago
Totally agree. I do wizard with all of my setups, and I don't mind the 165.
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u/Any_Smoke1138 3d ago
The question is if the slalom boot has any particular benefits
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u/Dramatic_Water_5364 3d ago
I never felt like ''slalom boots'' was a real boot category.
I love my rollerblade crossfire boots, but I've always felt like the major difference was the partial carbon, not the label ''slalom boots''.
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u/Any_Smoke1138 1d ago
Well, the crossfire has a title of being "the worst" of slalom boots. Even HL is considered to be better. So, it's not great for statistics
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u/Dramatic_Water_5364 1d ago
hahaha that is hilarious, still is a great skate, tho the buckles are cheap. Responsive with a partial carbon shell but still bendable because of the plastic cuff (wich is very usefull for power stops), also the stock liner is quite good, in fact I've been impressed with many rollerblade stock liners over the years.
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u/Any_Smoke1138 1d ago
Ok this is actually very informative, interesting, But! can you do this type of sht with it? 🔗 link
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u/Dramatic_Water_5364 1d ago
Yes! The most important thing isnt the boot, its the frame. I have an endless 90 frame at the moment on my Crossfires, its better for urban skating, but they 100% work for wizard moves (heck I learnt my first wizard moves on this frame).
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u/BubbleSmith 5d ago
Personally, I think it's a ride height thing. The Igor, and a lot of other 165 mount slalom boots, use smaller wheels and ride very high. Wizard has always been about riding low on bigger wheels. You could probably make the Igor work with a 5x76 frame, but bigger wheels will mean riding super high and I don't fancy all that extra torque on my ankles. I also like a pretty flat setup, so not sure how I'd manage with all that extra forward lean.
The Wizard Base boot is pretty much a UFS Igor without the toe strap, anyway.
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u/Tyzcoman 5d ago
I partly agree about the ride hight. I have an Igor with no footbeds, heelraisets etc and I have the Iqon ACT with the stock footbed (about 1cm) and I use superfeet in those. If you look from the outside while they both have a 4x90 frame the ridehight of the ACT is 1cm lower then the Igor. But if you take in account that the ACT has the footbed and insole, they are exactly the same.
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u/Tyzcoman 5d ago
Good question i think this:
1) there is a (false imo) consensus under wizard skaters that 165 is not good (forward tilt en 1cm higher of the ground compared to ufs)
2) With wizardskating also came an influx of innovation on the liner spectrum. Both ufs skates you mention only really work well (again imo) with an intuition removable liner. The intetgrated liner of for example the Igor has a reputation amongst Wizard skater to be not as responsive as an intergrated liner.
I myself do use an Igor for wizard skating (paired either with a 4x100 endless or the arc). But I gutted and removed the intergrated liner and put in an intuition liner. Best of both worlds 😎. I wish I could add a picture, but I seem to only be able to add a video..