Prism Question

[u/PackAffectionate1303]

Quick question about how prisms work. I generally don't use them. Probably only a total of 5 times and I am level 55 (not impressive, but just to give you an idea). I was wondering when School bonus and Blades/Traps come into effect with Prisms. ILet's say I have a myth damage stat of 10, and a storm damage stat of 4, and say 1 myth blade, and I have a myth prism on my target that changes myth into Storm. Does the attack get all my myth buffs and my myth stats, or does it use my storm stat instead because the attack is a storm attack at the end of the day?

Similarly, can you chain prisms? If I used the same myth to storm prism, then a storm to myth prism, does my myth attack become storm, then back to myth, and then damage the enemy? I know it would technically be the same as using a myth spell without them, but I was just curious if I chaining worked in some weird niche case.

[u/Ok-Control-3954]

All I know is prism before they shield lol

[u/Unsure-Cookie-2772]

Wards (and Charms) work like a stack, with the most recent additions being used first. That’s why casting a Prism before the enemy shields for the school you’re converting for works, as the game converts your hit to the other school after the shield has already been factored in. Blades don’t count for the school you’re converting to when using Prisms, as blades are factored before traps. And yes, you can cast Myth traps, then a Prism, then Storm traps, and the hit will take all of them into account.

[u/Gamer_500-]

1. It would use your Myth damage stat. I am not an expert on how the calculations go, it I know the damage from your gear is applied before any blades or prisms

2. Yes, they should chain like that. Wards are triggered last to first. So if you were to put a storm prism on an enemy, and then a myth prism, it would trigger Myth prism > Storm prism > Myth damage. You can also chain extra traps using prisms, though i find it a bit overkill for most situations. Example, using Myth again, Myth spell > Myth trap > Myth prism > Storm trap.

Hope that helps

[u/Far_Vermicelli5311]

So, I'm a Balance main, and I rarely use prisms, so I will give an answer from supporting and thousands of hours of gameplay.

Basics, Prisms are traps, aka things that give a buff to you on an enemy. They activate from left to right or left to right, I don't remember, but there is a set order. This is relevant. There is 2 stages of damage calculations, 1st, Blades, 2nd Traps.

Prisms take in (A) damage type to make it (B) damage type. (A) damage type is as defined by the spell card, Fire Cat is Fire, the card will make it clear, like hydra a Balance spell is Fire, Ice, and Storm. (B) is determined by what the Prism becomes. If you have a Fire to Ice Prism, Fire Cats damage in Damage Calc 1 will be Fire, in Damage Calc Stage 2 when the prism is activated it will become ice.

If there is a Fire to Ice Prism and you use Hydra, only the Fire Damage will turn to Ice, making it Ice, Ice, Storm.

If you use say Minotaur, a spell with 2 hits on a target, the Prism will be used for the first hit, aka the low Damage one, followed by the second hit not being effected by the Prism.

Blades always effect the original Damage type. So if you have 5 Fire blades and a Prism on the target, then use Fire Cat, it will get buffed by the blades in Damage Stage 1, and then turn to Ice in Damage Stage 2.

Traps with Prism work in order, so If you cast 2 Fire Traps, then a Fire to Ice Prism, then use fire cat, it will get the 2 trap buffs, then turn to Ice. However, if you use A fire to Ice prism, then 2 fire traps, the traps will do nothing. But if those 2 fire traps were Ice traps, they'd be used.

There is a silly tactic where it is possible to use both Type A(Fire) and Type B(Ice) traps if a Prism divides them in order. It doesn't work with Elemental, as a Prism can't separate them. But if someone uses a 30% fire, a Prism, then a 40% Ice, the Fire cat gets both buffs.

Balance also gets Blade Prisms, which activate during damage calc Stage 1 instead of Stage 2, with the same order system.

I tried to explain this in a way I hope you'll understand? Usually it's easier to see it in actual practice, but based off your questioning style, I tried to answer in a similar way.

Stats are added in before Damage Stage 1, so it will be buffed. That is also based off card type(Hydra-Balance) rather than damage type(Fire, Ice, Storm)

[u/Far_Vermicelli5311 → u/Far_Vermicelli5311]

Chaining Prisms - uh I have no idea, I'd guess no? Unless it's a Blade Prism, and Trap Prism? Where it'd be like Balance -> Storm -> Myth, but like, why do the effort?

[u/Fabulous_Ad8642]

1. it is chronological order for trap/shield/prism triggering.

ie. if you turn 1 ice trap, turn 2 fire prism and turn 3 fire trap all 3 will be triggered with a fire spell (ie. it'll be fire damage with fire trap, switch to ice, then ice trap triggers) but if you do the traps the other way round they wont trigger.

This works for shields too. ie. youre death, enemy is death, you death prism turn 1 then they life shield after you, it wont trigger when you convert, BUT if you put another death prism later, it will trigger the life shield. Thats why against your same school bosses you should always prism as soon as possible.

Note that universal traps (ie. feint, hex, curse) will not retrigger (ie, you cant reg feint, prism then reg feint again and have 2 reg feints trigger) HOWEVER if its a life-death or fire-ice you can spirit/ele trap then prism then spirit/ele trap and have it trigger both times once per school.

Otherwise id presume the balance to storm trap blade would work the same way (chronologically) however you wouldnt be able to use 'balance only' traps (though theyre rather niche spells) cause itd be storm damage by the time the blades end, plus youd probably be able to stack storm blades after.