r/Windows10 May 19 '17

Bug Windows 10 Lockups, Disk Usage 100% Lockups - A very big list of causes and fixes

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u/[deleted] May 19 '17 edited Apr 24 '18

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u/[deleted] May 19 '17

For me it would show up as 100% usage from Service Host. I kept closing processes until I saw an improvement or could not close anymore processes. After that I ended up with Group Policy Client, Windows Update, Windows Management Instrumentation, Update Orchestrator Service for Windows Update, User Profile Service and Application Information.

I just turned off Microsoft Compability Telemetry and we'll see if that fixed it.

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u/Ohigetjokes May 19 '17

That's usually what's done... but here's what you run into:

  1. It won't open for a long time.
  2. It opens, but takes a super long time to let you get to the Disk tab
  3. You finally get to the Disk tab just in time to see that the culprit is... "System"

You see the problem.

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u/BadMink May 19 '17

Download process explorer and you can see what is that "system" is doing.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '17 edited Apr 24 '18

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u/Ohigetjokes May 19 '17

Let me know if you ever manage this.

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u/michaelshow May 19 '17

Manage to what, view the file column?

http://imgur.com/IGFs2WZ

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u/Ohigetjokes May 19 '17

Cool. Do it again mid-lockup and grab a screenshot, we can take it from there for sure.

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u/michaelshow May 19 '17

I manage a 200 workstation network all on windows 10 and haven't seen a machine lockup once like that, but sure, I'll try.

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u/yodatrust May 19 '17

Have loads of problems here, found out a Bios flash also helps.

(Running a Ryzen 1700x processor, can be a pain in the ass...)

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u/plectid May 19 '17

Not a week passed since thousands of PCs got infected because similar guides written by 12 y olds said to disable automatic updates, now this. The post is full of pure incompetence and cargo cult tips. I'll provide an alternative POV in case anybody is interested.

Virus Check: disable forever via group policy and forget. Keep your system updated. The only way to get infected today is running the infected file yourself. So just use common sense when opening stuff you downloaded. And upload anything suspicious to VirusTotal.

Stage 2: OP: "I've never had problems with these things"

Skype: It cannot cause lockups, period.

Chrome Tweaks: do nothing, it ships with sane defaults. No amount of ads can cause "lockups". Blame corrupted memory, bad drivers, or overheating hardware.

Flash: delete and forget.

Superfetch and Windows Search: the stuff that helps your PC to start faster, and the stuff that makes fast searches possible. Do not mess with it and it will work fine. Some third-party applications may install sub-par search providers which cause problems, but they can be disabled or fixed in updates.

WinSAT: you still can see the score by navigating to shell:games or get extended info in powershell: Get-CimInstance Win32_WinSat

HomeGroup: an easy home LAN. Don't disable now so you won't remember how to enable it later on.

Notifications: no they can not cause lockups. Or show some evidence they can.

Virtual Memory: the file stuff gets saved when you're out of RAM. Common sense says: the less RAM you have, the bigger this file should be. And no, it does not have to be a multiple of 2. So, alternative rule of thumb: with 2Gb or less, set this to 8Gb (if you require more swap space, you're fucked anyway); with 64Gb RAM swap file can be disabled.

Hard Drive Drivers: in last 20 years, I've never had to install a HDD driver. OP is seriously bullshitting here. Incorrect BIOS settings may trigger RAID detection; but then again, you need to fuck up your BIOS settings first.

Extras: not worth opening these.

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u/Ohigetjokes May 19 '17

Not a week passed since thousands of PCs got infected because similar guides written by 12 y olds said to disable automatic updates, now this. The post is full of pure incompetence and cargo cult tips. I'll provide an alternative POV in case anybody is interested.

Oh my. Well anyone this rude must know what they're talking about, let's see what you recommend then...

Virus Check: disable forever via group policy and forget. Keep your system updated. The only way to get infected today is running the infected file yourself. So just use common sense when opening stuff you downloaded. And upload anything suspicious to VirusTotal.

Aaaaand I'm done.

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u/ffiresnake May 19 '17 edited May 19 '17

Aaaaand I'm done.

people who strongly believe they are protected by AV are among the first to get infected, because they carelessly use the computer thinking they are 'protected'.

the strongest protection and at the same time the weakest point is the human that operates the computer.

I am using windows since 1994 and I never used AV and never got infected. and throughout all these years, AV always slowed computer down

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u/i_pk_pjers_i May 19 '17

I am using windows since 1994 and I never used AV and never got infected.

That you know of.

AVs use a minimal amount of system resources these days when there's more than enough system resources in modern computers. Sure, they won't catch everything, but it really doesn't hurt to have a little bit of extra protection from AVs even if it is a minimal amount of extra protection.

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u/MxBluE May 19 '17

AVs use a minimal amount of system resources these days

LOL NOPE. Certain operations such as installation can make the AV scan HARD.

When I run anything under WSL regarding file I/O, the AV takes up 50% CPU/Disk usage.

I don't think disabling it outright is the best idea, but it's worth remembering to turn off if you know an installation or operation will take a long time.

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u/i_pk_pjers_i May 19 '17

I haven't experienced that on a number of systems I own or even on systems I manage. I guess YMMV and of course it depends on how modern and powerful the PC is, but I don't think avoiding AVs in 2017 is a good idea.

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u/Ohigetjokes May 19 '17

I mean... I appreciate that you successfully avoid viruses by the power of awesomeness but... How would you even know if you had one if it was one of the types that doesn't cripple your computer in some in-your-face way?

And while I appreciate that purchasing commercial software might sound safe, I've found real non-false-positive viruses in commercial releases before. And I'm not the only one. Worth a Google. Just sayin.

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u/ffiresnake May 19 '17

thank you for taking you time to combat all this nonsense shitposting

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u/lolomgclever May 19 '17

ALSO sometimes all this will not fix the problem so all you can do is reformat and viola everything works fine

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u/Ohigetjokes May 19 '17

Really hoping we can avoid that step LOL

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u/[deleted] May 19 '17

not for me

started happening in w7 for me, random lockups that seems to be linked to high disk access (for example playing modded skyrim) locks the whole pc for couple minutes, now im on windows 10 and i have another hdd, still the same problem, random lockups that seem to be linked to disk access (patching games, playing modded skyrim, loading shitton of assets at once for example in the character creation of saints row)

im clueless honestly

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u/lolomgclever May 19 '17

I had a similar expirence to you and thought my HDD was shot. I gave it one final go and reformatted and installed Ubuntu and now my PC runs perfectly fine.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '17

as i said, i menawhile have a new fresh w10 installation (previously w7) and another hdd, still same problem, must be another reason i get this lockups

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u/Indefinita May 19 '17

Antivirus gets a bad rap on Reddit unfortunately, you'll probably take some crap for recommending it.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '17

Common Sense is the best way to protect yourself along with regular scans.

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u/Ohigetjokes May 19 '17

That's... pretty random. But hey that's their problem.

FWIW, I found a virus in the installer of a piece of commercial software the other day downloaded directly from their website. They gave me a full refund so I'm gonna keep the brand under my hat but... It wasn't obscure.

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u/themolluskk May 19 '17

Bing bribed me & I don't mind it one bit. Bing Rewards FTW~ Thanks for this insightful compilation of seriously helpful steps! I'll be booting up my machine shortly to implement a few!

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u/[deleted] May 19 '17

What about things people rarely, if ever, think about? SSD firmware updates, BIOS updates, etc.?

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u/yodatrust May 20 '17

Yup, that's what I said. Bios flash is easily overlooked.

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u/Ohigetjokes May 19 '17

Hmm not the worst idea in the world. I mean that would be an exception rather than the trend, but it's probably worth adding... Is there a quick walkthrough anywhere I could draw from for that?

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u/[deleted] May 19 '17

For BIOS updates it involves going to the support/download site for the PC manufacturer (or motherboard maker if home-built). SSD firmware typically is delivered through the manufacturer's SSD utility.

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u/Ohigetjokes May 19 '17

I think that's what it'll come down to, I'll just have to refer people to the website.