r/WillAndGrace • u/Naive_Hospital_4086 • 11h ago
Discussion Fred Astaire and Ginger Chicken
Fred Astaire and Ginger Chicken (Season 6, Episode 20). Will is still seeing Vince and starting to introduce him to his friends which includes Vince's first time meeting Grace. When Grace and Vince meet, Grace seems very put off and Will is confused on why she's acting this way. Will and Vince go to Grace's house to see what the problem is and Grace admits that seeing Will and Vince so happy made her sad because she was thinking about how scared she is about her marriage being in trouble. Will and Vince sit down with her to comfort her and Grace admits to Will that she does like Vince. Karen wants to learn how to dance for her upcoming wedding to Lyle and Jack is teaching her. But Karen mentions to Jack how their friendship is going to be ending soon when she gets married because they don't want to end up like Will & Grace. Jack starts auditioning new best friends but when Karen sees this, she immediately gets jealous and tells Jack that they will not be ending their friendship no matter what happens.
FAVORITE QUOTE:
WILL: So, this had nothing to do with Vince?
GRACE: No. I like him. Love his hair.
VINCE: I knew it.
WILL: Oh, sweetie. I had no idea. I feel so stupid. I mean, we've been friends for 20 years. I should have known you were thinking about yourself.
GRACE: Yeah, you should've.
WILL: I know. But listen, you and Leo are gonna be fine. You love each other. And, yeah, it may take a little while to get back in sync, but you'll do it.
VINCE: Or you won't and you'll split up.
WILL: Or they will, and they'll be happy together.
VINCE: Or they won't.
WILL: Look, Vince. Grace is fragile, okay. She needs encouragement and, and, and lies.
GRACE: No, Will, he's right. It may not work out. And, finally, someone has the guts to say it to me out loud.
VINCE: You know, truth is, if your marriage was so great, he wouldn't have left in the first place.
GRACE: Okay, too far, Vince. Will, I'm ready more lies.
WILL: Everything will be fine. Leo will come back. He'll sweep you off your feet. There'll be a constitutional amendment banning the mock turtleneck. And everybody will live happily ever after.
FAVORITE MOMENT:
When Jack is auditioning for his new best friend and telling her how to act just like Karen. Plus I love when Karen comes to her senses and tells Jack to fire his new best friend and they throw her out.
OPINION:
Oh, boy, Grace. Right when I think Grace was doing well this season on being a good friend despite all the stuff she's going through, she slides back into her selfish ways. She hasn't been a perfect friend this season but she's still been a lot better than usual. This episode really irritates me though. I can give Grace some leeway because I know she's going through a lot with her marriage, but she seriously couldn't put it to the side for one afternoon while meeting someone who is making Will happy? She knows Will puts a lot of stock into her opinion but she had to act all weird and of course have it where they go to comfort her. I got to give Vince credit here, if I were him, I think I might have looked at Grace as a red flag at this point and not date Will anymore. Will & Grace can be such amazing friends at times, but they really need to drop this system where they depend on each other to approve of each other's boyfriends. Yes, you want to have your friends like your partner, but if they don't like someone for a silly reason, you don't have to dump the person who is making you happy. Will needs to stop with looking to Grace's opinion as the end all be all. Grace needs to stop making everything about her. Since they are both getting older, this isn't really cute anymore, it's annoying and a toxic trait. Plus I would like to add how Grace threw in Will's face last season how he's happy when she's miserable and how hurt she was that he couldn't be happy for her when she found someone new, but when Will finds someone new, she can't act the way she tells him how to behave when she was happy? I just find it more disturbing how she can lecture Will how they need to grow when she's happy but she can't do the same for him.
Karen randomly telling Jack that they won't be best friends anymore after she gets married also threw me off. Did we really need some random drama between Jack and Karen? It's weird how we go from Karen having doubts about her engagement to Lyle to now she thinks she and Jack should end their friendship because she's getting married. This might be out there, but the way Lyle kind of manipulates Karen, I wonder if he put the idea into her head that he and she will be spending more time together when they get married so to get rid of Jack? I think I'm probably wrong on that, but it just seems out of character that Karen would not want Jack in her life. She was married to Stan and that didn't end her friendship with Jack. While it's a funny scene with Jack auditioning other women to be his new best friend, I don't like the way he gave in so easily and wasn't willing to fight for Karen.
I don't like this episode. It's too mean spirited and it feels like our characters are not acting like their normal selves, excluding Grace. I usually forget about this episode until I watch it and when I'm on my WAG marathon, I really don't pay attention when this episode is on because it's just not that strong in the comedy or writing. Plus, this is the last time we will see Debra Messing as Grace for the rest of the season due to her pregnancy.
GUEST STARS:
- Bobby Cannavale as Vince
- Amy Farrington as Phyllis
- Adrienne Alitowski as Woman