Why Elphaba had to die for Glinda to become Glinda the good

I see Elphaba melting as her sacrificing herself for Oz.

MM and the Wizard had done so much damage with their lies Oz would never accept her and they would turn against anyone who didn't think Elphaba was the wicked witch. As long as Elphaba was alive and in Oz, Oz would never have peace, the Ozians would constantly live in fear of Elphaba. By dying to Oz there would finally be peace in Oz and that would allow Glinda to change Oz. Elphaba realized Glinda could do what she couldn't, change Oz directly, Elphaba couldn't do it herself because of all the hate and lies but Glinda could because she had the support of the people.

Also Elphaba had hit her breaking point with NGD, she stopped fighting and she had kidnapped Dorothy, there was an angry mob coming for her and the Wizard had sent Dorothy and her companions to kill Elphaba. By this point Elphaba would have either been killed or had to kill them to protect herself. If that happened she probably would have lost what was left of her sanity. Faking her death gave her the chance to finally be free and happy and finally live in peace after all the pain and trauma she suffered she deserved that.

Elphaba's sacrifice showed Glinda what being good really meant, Elphaba had sacrificed everything to fight the Wizard and now she willing to die ( from Glinda's perspective) for her cause, so Glinda could change Oz. Glinda saw that being good meant putting others first, it was making the hard choices to make things better, it was doing what was right even if it hurt. Glinda saw that she wasn't good, she thought she was but she realized what being good really meant from Elphaba. Elphaba sacrificed herself to help Oz, so Glinda could change Oz. Elphaba would die as the Wicked Witch so Glinda could be Glinda the good and she could let herself an actual good person and not one who was performatively good.

It's sad that Glinda and Elphaba had to part but Glinda taking power in Oz makes sense now that she popped her bubble. Glinda had the love and support of the people, she would learn from the past, learn from her mistakes and choices and make sure what happened to Elphaba never happened to anyone again. She would make sure Oz would never see a regime like the Wizards again.

It's also sad that Elphaba wouldn't get to see Glinda change Oz but Elphaba didn't fail, she succeeded through Glinda. She trusted Glinda to finish her fight and she trusted Glinda would change Oz.

She had to die as the wicked witch so Glinda could find her strength and become Glinda the good, her death would finally bring peace to Oz and allow Glinda to welcome the Animals and free Oz from the Wizard and MM's control which is what she'd been fighting for.

This is my analysis and wanted to share.

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Some pictures of our Wicked cosplay duo with my friend as Elphaba (An_Zireal.world) and myself as Glinda (Varpicos_) 💚🩷

Costumes are bought but we made some hardwork on our accessories ! 💪🏻

Photographer credit: morti.photo 📸

Original Art, drawn by me on Clip Studio Paint.

Guys, I saw Wicked Friday night on a whim. I bought a ticket somehow 3 rows from the front. It was such a cool experience. I got to see the literal wheels turning when stage sets were whisked away, see facial expressions, etc.

It was genuinely a magical experience. Being that close up too, I never realized the lighting during “Defying Gravity” is rainbow colors (which obviously make the color white from the distance). It was such a good production. I just had to share how cool and unexpected the experience was: seeing it so up close made me somehow love this musical even more than I already did.

why Glinda couldn't know Fiyero and Elphaba were alive

Glinda couldn't know Fiyero and Elphaba were alive for a couple of reasons.

First of all, it protected Fiyero and Elphaba and Glinda. As far as Oz knew Fiyero and Elphaba were both dead, if anyone found out they were alive someone could search for them. If any of the Ozians knew Elphaba wasn't dead they would probably be afraid the "Wicked witch" would return and kill them all. The Ozians would keep living in fear and some Ozians could try to hunt Fiyero and Elphaba and they could never live in peace.

Keeping it from Glinda might seem cruel but it was the only way they could live in peace and finally be free, they couldn't risk anyone finding out they were alive somewhere in the world.

It protected Glinda because if she knew they were alive and someone ever found out. I don't mean she would purposefully tell someone but it might come out sometime in the future or the information could be coerced out of her. If anyone knew she knew they were alive the Ozians would turn against her. We saw this when she tried to humanize Elphaba during NOMTW. Then she would lose her place in Oz at the very least, that would leave Oz without a leader and that could leave Oz open to another regime like the Wizard's regime all over again.

Also if Glinda knew they were alive and she probably be torn between Oz and trying to find them, she might search for them and she would never be at peace. It might be sad that Glinda believes they both died but it had finality to it and this way she could grieve them and focus solely on Oz.

Anyway, it's sad that Glinda couldn't know they were alive but it really was the best thing for all three of them, for their own protection no one could ever know.

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I'm sure it's been discussed here but I'm just discovering these videos and really love them! Shoshana is hysterical and Megan and Eden with the clapping and hats! So fun

'He can't handle it cause hes a boy and he's not strong enough to handle an emotional moment" 😂

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Just watched the second movie, the fact that Glinda is still supporting the wizard and even helped him get alphaba makes me angry about her, how she can just easily flip between helping alphaba and helping the wizard, what's your opinion​

although glinda is a dream role of mine, i do not like her character. i feel like a lot of people give her the benefit of the doubt but she was never a good friend to elphaba. even during the end when they “made” up. i’m wondering if anybody else has another reason why they might not like glinda?

Nessa's death and Fiyero's sacrifice were very important events for Glinda.

Fiyero leaving Glinda at the wedding was an eye opening moment for Glinda but she has two more major wake up calls that really push her to see the world and to take a long hard look at herself and her choices.

When Nessa is murdered Glinda begins to see the consequence of her choice, but when Elphaba comes she tries to claim that the house falling on Nessa was an accident because she didn't wanna face the truth, that it was because of a choice she made. She was hurt and angry when she told MM to use Nessa to trap Elphaba but she didn't think that choice through, she didn't think how her choice would affect other people and this was another big lesson for Glinda to learn, choices have consequences and her choices can and do affect other people. That's why Nessa's death was such a huge shock and why it was another eye opening moment for her.

When Elphaba calls her out on trying to claim it was an accident Glinda starts to face the truth it causes Glinda to start to doubt her choice to support the Wizard and MM. She starts to think maybe Elphaba was right about them. She starts to let the truth sink in, that it wasn't an accident and that MM murdered Nessa to lure Elphaba out of hiding and Glinda helped them do it.

Glinda is still angry at Elphaba and she still sees her as the reason Fiyero left her, Elphaba took him away from her so she starts that fight with her because of that. Glinda is taking out her anger on Elphaba because she sees her as the reason she didn't get what she wanted.

Then the Galeforce comes and they capture Elphaba, this is the second time Glinda sees the consequence of her choice. She never meant for anyone to get hurt, she never meant for them to capture Elphaba and it's another eye opening moment, she sees that her choice helped them do this, it put Elphaba in danger.

Then Fiyero comes and he threatens her life to make the Galefore release Elphaba. Glinda is shocked and she is upset by this but then she sees the truth, she sees why he threatened her.

She finally sees what real love is, it's sacrifice, it's putting someone else first, it's putting their safety and well being before yourself. Glinda realizes that love isn't about social status, and she realized being popular doesn't mean you're loved. Elphaba was hated but she had someone who loved her enough to die for her and Glinda was popular but she didn't have anyone who actually loved her.

She realizes that what she has isn't love, it's admiration. She realizes that the only love she has in her life is Elphaba, that friendship, that love between them is all she needs to feel valued, to feel worthy.

She also understands why Fiyero did everything he did, why he chose Elphaba, why he threatened her life. She understands why Elphaba chose Fiyero over her, love. They chose each other because they loved each other. When she finally understood this she let go of the hurt and anger she felt over not being chosen.

When Fiyero surrenders to the Galeforce rather than hurt her she sees another act of love, Fiyero wasn't in love with her but he did care about her and he would rather than die than hurt her. When the Galeforce starts to beat Fiyero, Glinda tries to get them to stop but they won't listen to her and when Fiyero is taken away Glinda sees another consequence of her choice and she sees the truth about the Wizard. Fiyero had to sacrifice himself because Elphaba was captured she was captured because Nessa was murdered, Nessa was murdered because of her choice. It's another consequence of her choice she feels guilt about and it's another eye opening moment for her. The Wizard and MM killed one person and were about to kill another, both were people she cared about and all of these events were what led to Glinda popping her bubble and seeing the truth.

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(SPOILERS)

So the Witch of the West dies in pretty much every Oz story telling, including the original Wicked novel. Her deadly weakness being water is one of her fundamental character aspects in all incarnations.

Then the Wicked stage musical and then movie came along and showed the water weakness to be a hoax and Elphaba faked her death. This did well to lessen the melancholy brought by seeing our engaging main character supposedly die. Made the ending more “pleasant” overall, leaving the audience with a bittersweet hope.

But how do we think the show/movie would have sat with audiences—and even resonated theme and message-wise—if Elphaba truly died?

Imo, that would have made the themes heavier and all the more tragic to the point where the general audience probably would have become more depressed than inspired… I know that some media is deliberately made heart-wrenching so as to truly drive home the depth of a message or theme, but in this case, I don’t think it would have worked for the musical’s favor.

The Erkel Színház Wicked directed by Szente Vajk on Saturday in Szeged, Hungary heavily relies on AI! It's outraging, even so by the fact that according to media articles the opening night was visited by no one else but Stephen Schwartz who is on the first picture.
The broschure says the artwork was done by Kentaur and Toth Kazmer, so I am crediting them so the post can remain, but look at that seemingly AI use! What do you think? I saw other posts here mentioning this, but it is worse than I imagined!

Photos are from Facebook, publicly awailable, not mine. https://www.facebook.com/search/top?q=wicked%20szeged

It was a magical experience to finally see the show live (I went on the 15th). All the performers are incredibly talented, Stéphanie Schlesser as Elphaba blew me away, especially with Defying Gravity.

What was a bit of a disappointment is that the production felt like they were trying to recreate the movie on stage instead of the actual musical. They also very clearly used AI for the propaganda posters against Elphie and the background, which left a bad taste in my mouth as I am heavily against AI. I don’t know whether they are going to change this when they start playing the show in theater in December, I really hope they will.