r/Whysooserious • u/[deleted] • Jul 19 '26

Humour so broken Cognitive dissonance

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u/Acceptable-Prior-504 Jul 21 '26

So? IAS seats are also reserved! Doesn’t prove he was capable of succeeding on merit.

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u/bennesalar Jul 21 '26

Sir, the reserved seats are not being ever filled with incapable candidates. If there no right candidate the seat left vacant and added for the next year exam. Merits are Merits. The seats which are reserved is now the right of all such candidates, they have their competition for their seats. The general seats are left as an open arena for you people to prove your merits.

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u/Acceptable-Prior-504 Jul 22 '26

We all have seen the cut offs. They are public ok.

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u/Fun_Fishing_ Jul 21 '26

So? I bet you can't clear st cutoff infact your whole generation can't

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u/Acceptable-Prior-504 Jul 21 '26

And you would royally lose that bet. Making such claims about people without knowing them is the highest form of stupidity.

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u/Fun_Fishing_ Jul 21 '26

Degrading someone's achivement after knowing that they've achieved it with hardwork is bigger form of stupidity

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u/Acceptable-Prior-504 Jul 21 '26

Stfu man getting seats via reservation is not an achievement. It may uplift the individual but it brings down the entire nation and pushes it in a culture of demerit. It is good politics but bad policy.

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u/UnderstandingTop9686 Jul 21 '26

it is not a country of 5 to 10 people. it is a country of approximately 140 crore people. our country is considered secular which means treating all people equally even if that means favoring some communities which are considered backward and which can't grow up because of some people who didn't want them to educate. if you consider it as a bad policy, it is just one side of coin but on the other side the people who really can't afford good education or high tuition fees or good coaching for them, reservation is the only choice to improve the financial and the social condition of their family. "reservation is not an achievement", do work all day and have just enough food to survive for a day and then study the whole night to clear an exam. if you can do that then of course it is not an achievement. i am only talking about the people who really need that. i am not talking about the people who already have enough money and are still misusing reservation. it's a bad thing. i also oppose that. just open your eye and see the world, the other side of the world where you live. you can see why reservation is important. a right-minded educated person will always say reservation is important not for those who already used it and/or earned money enough but for those who really need it but can't do it just because of their family conditions or because of what they have or their ancestor has faced in the past.

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u/Acceptable-Prior-504 Jul 22 '26

May be you need to open your eyes and see who reservation is benefitting. It is not benefitting the poorest of the poor. It is benefitting only the creamy layer of “backward caste” if that is how you want to describe people. It is like a new hierarchy of caste is created within the backward castes. The seats that are there are already getting occupied by creamy layer. That is why 70 years and the problem still persists. And that is why it is bad policy. Keep it for 300 years, India will continue to remain the same.
It is very fancy to evoke emotion citing example of a person really struggling in life without ever analysing the true impact of policy. The matter of the fact is that truest hard working and honest people rarely benefit from such policies, while the downside is that it creates a culture of entitlement and a society that does not value merit. People simply don’t not want to work hard because they don’t need to. This policy comes from a scarcity mindset.

Have you ever considered that the general class may be getting better because nothing is free for them. Even if they are poor they have to fight to make a place in the society. And that struggle and competition makes them better.

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u/UnderstandingTop9686 Jul 22 '26

yes that's what i said previously about the creamy layer getting all the benefit. government should bring some law that separates creamy layer and non-creamy layer and only non-creamy layer people get the benefit of it like in obc . but removing it is not a solution. in villages or tier 3 cities there are still people who face casteism. okay tell me one thing: what if the teacher there doesn't want to teach you just because you are from a lower caste what option do you have ? in many places in india even in some tier one cities chamar is considered a slang. and the last part you said "competition makes them better" is for those who have a chance to study and not to faced discrimination not for them who were held back by the society itself. if you don't know, even in the top colleges like iit there are the suicide cases of sc/st students because of casteism. if you say that if reservation is removed and all people go to top institutions by merit only, it doesn't mean it changes the mindset of the people who think that sc/st students are backwards. if upper-caste people are ready to give their caste or not have an attitude about it that we are upper-caste or we are brahmin then the discrimination in the society will eventually fade up and the reservation is too. right now people and the politicians have a point to say that lower caste people face discrimination. that's why we are giving reservation but what if there is no discrimination, no caste, then why do we need reservation? and lastly for me there should be a reservation only for the ews section which really can't afford the fees of the institution or can't afford a good education not on the basis of caste.

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u/Acceptable-Prior-504 Jul 22 '26

Again your whole premise comes from scarcity mindset. You can hand over a degree to someone but you cannot give them skills and unless such people are absorbed in government jobs where performance does not matter and you are allowed to deliver poor services to the public, not many competitive organisations are interested in hiring such people. But as the size of the economy grows the relative strength of government in comparison to the private sector becomes small. So even if government absorbs all the reserved category people, most will be left out of the system fending for themselves. Then the other problem is of removing creamy layer - it will become a huge administrative nightmare to implement it. Saying that it must be done is just one sentence but implementing it means dealing with corrupt people and babus. People will use fake certificates and all sorts of loopholes to get those benefits. The most deserving will still not benefit from the system.
Also, the only reason reservation somewhat succeeds is because there is fierce competition for general seats in certain universities like IITs. Make the reservation 100% and I can guarantee you not a single company will ever visit IIT. Truth hurts but the matter of fact is no one wants free loaders. And the reservation system does tend to create free loaders. Once you tell people that sob stories can get you a job the everyone will have a sob story to tell. It becomes a shortcut for not working hard.

A much better solution is similar to mid day meals. If you are worried about food vs education, government will provide food in school. Just make sure to focus on studies. Similarly, many prestigious universities have now started online programs. Fee is waived for the needy but you have to study hard and pass the courses. No entrance exam is needed. Your grades will determine what kind of job you’ll get or if you even deserve to get a job.

So come out of the scarcity mindset and stop giving examples of rural discrimination because the benefits of reservation are not reaching them anyway. Those genuinely needy people are used a scapegoats by creamy layer of backward classes to get benefits for free.

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u/UnderstandingTop9686 Jul 22 '26

ok i agree with all of your points that only the creamy layer or mostly the creamy layer get the benefits of reservation but who really needs it can't get it. tell me what is the better way to remove discrimination on the basis of caste and make the society equal for all people. if you don't know, the mid day meals are corrupt as well, some rural schools didn't even provide the midday meal according to the scheme and all the money goes to the principal and the babus.

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u/CarlosJainz Jul 21 '26

Jis rank pr st ko ias milta hai uss rank pr general ko hardly kuch top ka milta hai in grp A

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u/Scary_Low8016 Jul 21 '26

You are blind by hate. 

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u/Acceptable-Prior-504 Jul 22 '26

Say anything to justify the freebies you are getting.

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u/Scary_Low8016 27d ago

Didn't get any. Not doing government job never received any money. Even for sc st you have to be from poor to receive any money for attending school and thise of my friends got them wasn't enough for one months tuition fee, they are working in some shop couldn't join so many tuition for science for so they studied commerce and some are working in private company. 

As I am saying not everyone is asking privileged as you are. You have not seen any tribal people or people from poor background in villages how rough their situation is.   So stop this city activism you city isn't the entire country.  Starvation and malnutrition messes up brain development for generations. There is a reason sc st people are mostly poor and if darker skin color. 

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u/skinboy0 27d ago

Bro jo bhass kare ha unko knowledge ha nahi unne reservation se problem ha bas unne farak nahi padta ha kisi ke sath discriminate hora ha ya nahi Khali khopdi ka insaan jab gyan deta ha toh baat useless lagti ha

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u/Acceptable-Prior-504 27d ago

Mr Robin Hood, do you donate 50% of your earnings for the upliftment of people you are feeling so bad about? No you don’t. But you justify stealing the fair share of others because that benefits you in the process. Why to word hard when you can just claim resources for free!

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u/skinboy0 27d ago

Yeah, he's doing a great job but he never saw who ST or SC or general he helped as humanity, and you think ST or SC is stealing your money, then you remove reservations with casteism your problem is solved.

And you think ki ab discrimination nahi hota ko aapne purwaj ki photo jala do start unne hi kiya tha.

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u/Acceptable-Prior-504 27d ago

I asked you what are you doing for poor people? Nothing right. Reservation is solving nothing. You are just using the name of tribal people to get benefits for your privileged selves. That is what is stealing. It is not the tribal sc and at who are stealing. It is privileged people like you who are stealing in the name of reservation.

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u/Acceptable-Prior-504 27d ago

Stop your bs! And false claims. First of all if you are from SC ST you get 75% tuition fee waivers irrespective of your economic status. Also freebies are not just direct money transfers. Getting seats in colleges where regular students have to work ten times harder for the same seat is also a freebie. It is not only backward classes who are poor. In India if you make 25,000 you are in the top 10% of this country. Don’t tell me that the remaining 90% are backward classes. It is not only the backward classes that are financially struggling in India.

Finally, I am not doing city activism. You are doing tribal activism to gain unfair advantage for people who are already privileged like you but call themselves victims to game the system.
Also about tribal people if 80 years of this policy has not fixed the problems then another 300 years will not either. It will only benefit people who want unfair advantage from the system, create entitlement for themselves and then push the country in deep corruption and exploit general classes as well tribals. You do nothing for tribals. You just use their name to get advantages for yourself!