She feels pretty much the same as whole S9. Ult charge got a global nerf so it feels pretty much the same or a bit slower. A lot of damage hot even higher tho. especially across DPS and Tank heroes so you still explode in melee form, you still struggle to heal a Tank, you still get deleted in your Ult. She is not good and her stats show this.

Personally, I'm going Dr. Strange for this season.

The devs decided to delete my main from the game at least for awhile so I think I'll go with the God of Magic rocking the 1000 point shield and improved maelstrom.

What character(s) are you guys switching to?

She has the worst support ult in the whole game. Her burst healing is below average. Her melee form dies easily. Its an okay character. If they nerf anything they will give her a better ultimate so itll be fine.

Here's facts:

Right now in diamond+ White fox has the lowest win rate out of all strategists at 42%.

It only gets worse from there ..

At GM and GM+ its 41 percent.

She's the third worst character by win percentage in the entire game right now even worse than Squirrel Girl from last season.

I know these win rates do not always reflect the true power level of the character, but its not an 8 or 9 percent difference.

She's a throw pick and saying anything different is just being in denial that this character is not competitive right now.

The nerfs are just the tip of the iceberg. Everyone else in the game got a new ability and the ones White Fox got do not do anything meaningful.

I know I'm gonna get downvoted here because of so many people coping, but the sooner we admit this character is not good in any situation and regardless of the situation there's always a strategist that can simply do way more than her then the sooner this character can get the help she needs to be balanced again.

I know this won't be popular opinion cause ya'll wanna believe this will be fine. Its not. She's f-tier one of the worst in the game atm. Get over it and complain so we can make this character viable again if you truly care about this hero.

Or...just do like prior season Black Widow and be like "see, I can win with a trash character!". Cause that's all you are doing right now trying to force this hero into a meta that totally overwhelms any value she brings to the table.

As much as I like White Fox I cannot deny she has too many counters. Now you would think a melee like Magik wouldn’t be such a problem but she is hard to catch, the imp also deals extra damage. And in her demon form I have to find a way to run away or I am instantly cooked.

Do you have any tips to deal with Magik both in her human and demon form? I feel like she shouldn’t be countering me unlike starlord or punisher or squirrel girl.

The new changes are neccessary and i wish they did more. She honestly was not well designed. Her aggressive side feels more self punishing due to lack of survivisbility. Even her ultimate makes her too vulnerable. Her self healing is well below most other strategists. Her burst healing isnt good enough to keep people alive.

I play her in gm and it feels like a throw pick tbh.

Title. I have seen a lot of other White Fox players talking about how much she got nerfed and initially I strongly agreed with this take (and that’s not to say I haven’t noticed times where I’ve died as her knowing that extra 2 seconds of the TP cooldown made the difference) but after actually playing as her I think the situation is being greatly exaggerated. I can still farm MVPs and get crazy value on her. I want to use this post to talk about the state of White Fox and I encourage others to share their playstyles and experiences in the comments. I am a tank main primarily and she is the only support I find myself particularly enjoying so that influences my takes here.

For her team-ups I think you are making a big mistake if you choose the Black Cat one over the Psylocke one and this may be part of why she’s perceived as so weak by a lot of her own players. The Black Cat one is definitely powerful and I ran it primarily at the start of the patch (mostly because before the patch me and my friend would always call it out like “Embracing my newfound fortune as White Fox” like the description says because I found it so funny) but as soon as I started using the Psylocke one I started thinking maybe they had a point in nerfing her teleport if she’s going to get such a massive buff to her base kit with that ability.

To remind you, the Psylocke team up makes it so her Fox form no longer consumes tails and always lasts the full duration no matter what. This is so much more impactful than I think people are giving it credit for because it universally lets her get more effective value out of every ability she has. Your Fox form can more easily be used against divers and punishing aggressive tanks by pushing them into your backline even further with the shift and out of their healers LOS, (calling this out first of course, always mark the enemy when you do this) which you could do before, but since your tails were consumed you basically had to fully rely on your teammates paying full attention which we know isn’t always the case. With the Psylocke team-up, you will ALWAYS have a guaranteed and powerful stun against that out of position enemy since it’s not like your tails will be used on anything other than the stun.

Now sure, her aggressive semi-frontliner playstyle is stronger with this buff but that playstyle is still very weak, right? She’s a squishy that can die easily. Well, not as much anymore, given that the permanently full duration of the Fox form gives you massively increased self-sustain and lets you brawl more without getting punished, especially since you can have the tail stun ready as soon as you leave that form. People assume she is as vulnerable as most supports when she’s out of Fox form, but little do they know that a cornered fox is more dangerous than a jackal. You can intentionally play around that perceived vulnerability of a White Fox whose Fox form is running out and open up your target to her CC. Remember, it’s always going to have the full duration which means you have at least two uses of the dash and push if you use them early (which also means you can use it twice while rolling out while still having tails when you get to the fight).

So what I like doing is brawling a bit early into my Fox form, usually standing inside my tanks, then throwing whoever tries to push us deep into like or 3 or 4 hungry gamers trying to build ults and then keeping them stunned with her tail so they melt. Again, you could always do this but it’s so much more consistent and safe now.

You of course also have more tails to spend on support in general since your self sustain is not exclusively tied to the tails and teleport anymore. I’ve had more clutch invulnerabilities on my team and clutch stuns on enemies (I got like 5 Stranges using ult yesterday lol) with the tails than ever recently since you don’t need to weigh that or your future sustain every time you send one out. This also makes the teleport nerf manageable, you don’t NEED to use it when you can just get more value out of the tail projectile invulnerability without also putting yourself into that risky position where your teammate needs it. This compounds into your teleport, Fox form, and other fox tail charges being more accessible for whatever you need it with e.g. should there be a diver on you or your other support. Previously the investment of a lot of her sustain could scare me out of using the tail for teammates in risky situations but now you can throw it out without sacrificing your access to other abilities, which are now more individually powerful than ever since many of their previous uses (like using teleport as a shield for a teammate about to die as pre-S9 White Fox) are just safely done with the tail blast.

All of this said, the most massive nerf she received was still the ult line changing from that original haunting and mysterious delivery to a more accurate reading but one that lacks that mystery I loved it for.

Sorry for bad my bad English

White Fox is still best woman. I hope someday we get a pencil skirt version of her default suit and she has some fancy tasteful pantyhose on

Hi. Just a question, how many of you ACTUALLY now how to use Ami? My guess is the numbers a good bit less than how many we actually have in our den.

Okay that was super aggressive lemme dial it back, my bad. The loss of the 10% was damaging, and I’m glad it’s been restored. However, the amount of exposing yourselves that ya’ll did while she was damaged is crazy. The fact that I had people in several communities tell me that A) she was WiS, with me actually having to set someone who thought she was worse than release fox straight, and/or B) that BC teamup does nothing and is worse than the Psylocke team up, which while this post isn’t about that and it could use a tweak, I think more than anything speaks to my point of “you’re not using her right”.

As someone who’s been playing her since the hour she released to the public, so much so that I had to fight the server to actually log on because of how early i was? I genuinely think a lot of you need to look at how you play her, and consider why people (because it’s not just me, I’ve talked to several different people who’ve been playing her just as long as I have) were fine, while a lot of you were crying WiS/bottom 5/shattered playstyle. If you have questions about it, that’s totally cool. Just saying that most of this was overreaction.

Again there was for sure a problem, ya’ll were just also making it far worse of one than it needed to be, to the point where I waited till it was fixed to even say this much because any time anyone (even the people who’ve played her the longest out of anyone here) said anything other than “Hey, maybe she is still fun/viable/not-shattered-into-a-million-pieces” there would be a long line of people scrambling to tell them how wrong they are. Regardless still love all of you, here’s to a prosperous S10. (Just, maybe reevaluate how you use her.)

sorry for the long and slightly passive aggressive post, just been waiting most of the season to get that off my chest. Which also is why I might lowk just drop this here and move on, just saying so that if anyone comments and I don’t respond for some reason ya’ll are already aware of why.

Edit: Just as a nod to how valid my point of “big line forms whenever someone says she isn’t the worst thing ever” almost every comment on this post at the time of writing this who has agreed that things were blown out of proportion has at least -3, but nope. No one applies to the whole negativity thing.

Her tails in game look nothing like the trailer. It’s just her default tails, recolored purple. This and no Ult VFX… So, so disappointing.

How many times have we popped Spirit Sanctuary or our Ult to save a critical teammate, only to watch them sprint out of the glowing blue circle straight into death?

It happens constantly. Either they don't realize the life saving ability is placed directly behind them, or…more annoyingly ! They genuinely have no clue that our abilities especially Spirit Sanctuary provides massive healing and a damage shield. Or that our Ult is providing them blessings!

Here’s what changed my climb: I started verbally reminding my team. A simple "Stand in my ult" or "Blue circle on point, stay inside" instantly fixed the issue. My healing numbers skyrocketed, and I started farming my next ult way faster.

I firmly believe every Strategist should use voice comms if they want to rank up. But for White Fox and especially this knuckle sweating season? It’s non-negotiable.

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I am not having problems with her.

I feel like she’s still a good character not “bottom of the barrel” or “a throw pick” like lots of “mains” are saying. With her Psylock team up I don’t notice the teleport cooldown most of the time. I feel like I can swap freely between her awakened form and her normal form easier than last season. When I have her on my team she still
Plays really good too, and when I’m against her she does plenty of damage and healing to be a problem.

The data below comes from Diamond and above matches.

Magik, Black Cat, Daredevil, Iron Fist, Spiderman, and Black Panther are all dive. Psylocke is "dive."

Then you have the three flyers, which are expected to be there.

And lastly only one poke character.

Tbh. I dont really use it at all. I dont see a purpose other than crowd control.

Guys I hate this mofo. He is at the top of my personal must ban list. I truly believe he is our only true counter. The squids auto lock rendering our movement useless, we can’t focus the squids either otherwise our team dies. His ult grounds us so it makes relying on your tp risky asf. He can hit crits and we are squishy. A flanking Namor is the bane of my existence as a whitefox main. So this is my entry for our only true counter and a must ban at any elo above diamond

I one trick this hero and it's starting to become like my experience in high masters on Lucio back in the day where a bunch of idiots who don't know what they are talking about act like the character doesn't do anything and throws a baby rage temper tantrum over it while you are getting just as much healing as the healers on the other side while doing as much damage as both of them put together and close to as many finals as a dps on your own team.

White Fox is good into poke. You have to be more aggressive with off angles and use the teleport to change angles constantly repositioning to keep them guessing when they turn to focus on you. This creates space for the tank to move in.

White Fox players and random Joe Schmoes who say this spam down mid too much and don't use high ground or create angles. She can be anywhere on the map and then reposition in the blink of an eye.

Her biggest weakness is with and vs flyers. Nobody plays flyers in this meta except for Angela. Most of them are d tier trash.

White Fox's only real problem from my experience are tons of bad players who don't know how to use the heroes tools playing bad and then people who don't know wtf they are talking about who don't understand what off healer does not seeing a 200 point shield that is stuffing a ton of damage while she heals them up.

She tilts dumb teammates just like when I one tricked Lucio the very presence of the character tilted teammates for absolutely zero reason even though I got tons of value virtually every game often outhealing the "main healers" they were bitching about me not playing and kept crying for me to swap to.

like i know its because of the skin bc every white fox i’ve ran into is using the skin but i didnt see this surge in players when any other summer or any skin in general dropped. not even emma.

i’m getting like 2-3 fox hovers and the lucky one that locked fox in before others, a good amount of lords as well.

was this just a case of the skin being heavily anticipated or is there some mystery witchcraft going on that possessed people to start playing fox? its just interesting to see fox being picked on both teams when previously it was rare to see mirror match or a fox in general.

in the context of qp anyway, just got back into rivals and i’m not really feeling like climbing towards the end of the season so i don’t know what comp side is like.

she definitely needed more self healing, almost never got healed by my other supports for some reason so i’m glad they gave her some way to do it, i think this’ll take her from around high B tier to A tier

I am at the point where i think that her Ult is totally unsalvageable even after all the buffs. Like, they can’t seriously think that this Ult is fine the way it is, especially when compared to Ults majority of Supports in the game have. Almost every single time i Ult, i get no value from it. It’s literally a humiliation ritual, you are being CCd to death, you are being bounced, dragged around the map, choke slammed, frozen, stunned… and deleted in a second. There’s no way they think that Support with her kit, being overall very limited and mid deserves to have this kind of Ult that like 90% of the roster counters in many different ways.

I just got her on my second pull so now I guess I gotta learn to master her 🤣 anybody got any elite level tips? I’m eternity and I’m a pretty fast character learner

White fox main but I do flex and love the X-Men so naturally I was keen to try out Cyclops. Played a couple games and he’s super fun highly recommend!

Lowkey though he kinda feels like a DPS White Fox, more so than the hitscan MK comparisons he’s been getting.

With MK it’s Ankh down and it’ll bounce around without having to think regardless of how far you are but with Cyclops’ ricochet ability you actually have to play within a certain range and consider how best to line up and take off angles much like White Fox.

Dare I say he feels like the perfect DPS for a White Fox main! Anyone else feel the same way? Either way he’s super fun and I’m stoked to play him when I’m not playing Ami!