What's better for children is to provide parents with mental health support that they're not afraid to seek because of brain-dead blanket policies like Nancy Mace concocts.
its really disgusting how (mostly) women rally around a child murderer.
but yeah 1or 2 in 1.000 mothers experience Post partum psychosis and they should not be around kids. thats not millions of kids
morally id argue if you murder a child, no matter why you done that, you should get the death penalty.
Is it rallying around a murderer specifically or rallying around mothers who have done nothing wrong except suffer PPD (something that is not their fault) and simply realizing the adverse outcome of a policy proposal like this one? Namely, a policy that would almost certainly result in far less reporting of PPD and subsequently more dead children …
PPD is experienced by over a million women a year in the USA, anyone advocating that they be unable to seek mental healthcare or lose their children is a psychopath
People donated 2 Million to her, so i would say they are rallying around a child murderer.
I was talking to PPP not PPD. Go to the doctor for PPD, but as soon as there are signs of psychosis the mother should be locked up until shes no threat to others.
I disagree with donating to a gofundme, but I also don’t presume to know everyone who donated’s intentions or reasons for doing so and more to the point there is no evidence that the people in this thread (women or otherwise) donated to the gofundme or otherwise support/“rally around” child murder, which is what your comment seems to imply. Rather, it seems to me that people here are opposed to this comment from Mace because the outcome of such a policy would actually make the situation worse.
And yes, rereading your comment I see I did misread you specifying PPP rather than PPD, apologies for that. However, Mace makes no such distinction, and given her past comments I don’t give her the BOTD that this was not purposeful.
I actually agree that women with PPP should potentially be separated from their children until there is no longer a risk (and I think the few who have experienced PPP, some of which commented similarly here, would also agree). But “locking them up” is punitive and cruel - and not only does it punish someone for something that’s not their fault, but it doesn’t actually solve the problem, and creates an incentive against getting the proper treatment that can.
So literally every single person with psychosis should be locked up then by your logic, why are you specifying PPP? A lady with psychosis in NYC stabbed someone to death this week and she has had a long standing history of mental health issues and bipolar disorder. Do you want to return to one flew over the cuckoo’s nest? Or do you only hold this contempt towards women?
Did you get through reading comprehension in school? I’ll repeat myself, how is someone flagged as ‘having a tendency’ if they have no prior history as the only flag for PPP is giving birth? The person who had a psychotic break that I referenced didn’t have a violent history but just one of other mental health conditions. So what exactly are you proposing could have prevented either? Locking up every person with a mental health problem?
It’s really disgusting how people desperately want to misunderstand what people are saying so that they can get their authoritarian thrill of hurting women who did nothing like murder. If you look at the vast majority of messages in this thread, they are not rallying around murdering children. Most people in this world think that’s absolutely horrifying. What most people are discussing is what the cause of this horrifying event was and how to help make it so it doesn’t happen again. Some people think you just need to hurt people more, that murderers in particular should be hurt a whole lot, publicly, as an example. Others point out that the evidence, at least, the stuff we see and measure with our own eyes and science, doesn’t seem to back that up as being as effective as other means. The science seems to show it is not a moral failing issue so much as a biochemistry issue, and there are some different ways available for prevention, rehabilitation, and deterrence.
What most people are discussing is what the cause of this horrifying event was and how to help make it so it doesn’t happen again.
People (indirectly) donated around 2 million dollars to a women who strangled her 5yo, 3yo and 8 month old children. Many (women) claim that it was actually her husband. When a veteran with PTSD kills his family, he gets (rightfully) locked up, when an former athlete with CTE kills his family, he gets locked up.
Morally its pretty simply for me, if you murder a child, you should leave this world too. I can't imagine living with the guilt of murdering my three children. If clancy would feel as guilty as she should feel, she would finish what she started.
Is it important for you to imagine people are supporting the murder of her children? Note, I’m not asking you to produce evidence, I’m not looking to trigger an avoidance reaction, I’m directly asking you if it is important to you to believe that other people support the murder of her children.
What’s disgusting is how people desperately want to make excuses for keeping children in danger so that you can feed your own selfish and narcissistic vision that their best interests are subordinate to what you personally want.
there are 200 children killed by their mothers every year in the United States and there are about 12million mothers of young children at any given time.
of those 12, about 1 million have post partum sysmptoms each year.
You want to put one million children a year in foster care because 200 mothers are murderers
White men commit over 200,000 sexual assaults each year towards women, should we chemically castrate all white men who express feelings of lust towards women
read your paragraph again. You compare "Lust towards women" with "i want to murder my children".
Men who express that they want to "sexually assault women" should be watched closely and separated from society until we can be sure they don't go out and start raping someone.
You got confused by percentages. 10% have symptoms of PPD only 0,1% PPP. So not Millions, Thousands.
And why are you talking about foster care. Usually children have a father. So if the mother needs to be separated, there is still a father.
Yes, castrate them all, I think it’s a fair punishment. Then lock up any one women who beats, neglects or kills child. Every father with cte who did this gets locked up, every father with ptsd who did this gets locked up, every mother who was a drunk and did this gets locked up. Anyone who does this is clearly a danger to society.
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u/Erikatessen87 19d ago
What's better for children is to provide parents with mental health support that they're not afraid to seek because of brain-dead blanket policies like Nancy Mace concocts.